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tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 pm Twitter full of rumours tonight:

The infighting is going to be fun to watch! Get the popcorn out ... Eton Mess v Northern Ultras will be quite a match up.

The bigger picture is what is best for the country and that has to be that the Tories lose the next election, as fun as it would be to see Johnson get the Spanish Archer now, I don't want the Tories to get a bounce from a new leader.

tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 pm Twitter full of rumours tonight:

It's not inconceivable; there were already >20 votes in the drawer; & then JRM shit all over Scottish Party; which was a gift; & now the new intake from 2019, which must be at least a couple of dozen, meet, & discuss how they register their letters.

It won't be just the babies shitting themselves tonight in #11

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:39 pm The bigger picture is what is best for the country and that has to be that the Tories lose the next election, as fun as it would be to see Johnson get the Spanish Archer now, I don't want the Tories to get a bounce from a new leader.

any bounce will be very short lived; Brexit isn't done; inflation is only going one direction; & even if there's a complete recovery from Covid, it's still only half of the damage from Brexit.

The UK has now technically got full employment; but yet it has >100k vacancies in the NHS; it's short of 100k HGV drivers, needs 50k customs agents; God knows how many people in agrifoods/service sector; & the Party in charge for the last decade; has no ideas, & no talent, to deal with any of these issues.

Reality is a bitch !

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:26 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:00 pm It suits the principle contenders to have Scummings be one who takes down the Bumblecunt.

They all know that the one who knocks him off; won't be elected by the Party; but they were all happy to solemnly confirm that if ... .. he lied to the House; that would be a resigning matter.

Yep, with Tories the knifeman never gets the job.

Boris did for May, so it's not never

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:35 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:25 pm


Why wouldn't it be Raab?

Just not something he would say or get involved with, IMO.

Was it Raab who reportedly mouthed, "Fuck off you wanker" to a Today programme host recently when the questions weren't going his way?

I get mixed up with them all, they are all a soup of banality, dangerous right enough, but the self-serving is tedious.

That's more like it!

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:00 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:26 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:00 pm It suits the principle contenders to have Scummings be one who takes down the Bumblecunt.

They all know that the one who knocks him off; won't be elected by the Party; but they were all happy to solemnly confirm that if ... .. he lied to the House; that would be a resigning matter.

Yep, with Tories the knifeman never gets the job.

Boris did for May, so it's not never

Not really, his backstabbing ultimately didnt make much of a difference either way

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:28 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:00 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:26 pm

Yep, with Tories the knifeman never gets the job.

Boris did for May, so it's not never

Not really, his backstabbing ultimately didnt make much of a difference either way

That's 100% untrue.

A distinct lack of announcements this morning. Disappointed but not surprised.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:39 pm The bigger picture is what is best for the country and that has to be that the Tories lose the next election, as fun as it would be to see Johnson get the Spanish Archer now, I don't want the Tories to get a bounce from a new leader.

I'm inclined to agree. I'm tired of how terrible this government is. Time to get a new lot in who will no doubt be terrible in their own way but at least it'll be something different.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:19 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:35 pm

Just not something he would say or get involved with, IMO.

Was it Raab who reportedly mouthed, "Fuck off you wanker" to a Today programme host recently when the questions weren't going his way?

I get mixed up with them all, they are all a soup of banality, dangerous right enough, but the self-serving is tedious.

That's more like it!

If I remember correctly he was being a wanker, a bit like Brown when he called a bigot a bigot.

C T wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:52 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:19 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:28 pm



Was it Raab who reportedly mouthed, "Fuck off you wanker" to a Today programme host recently when the questions weren't going his way?

I get mixed up with them all, they are all a soup of banality, dangerous right enough, but the self-serving is tedious.

That's more like it!

If I remember correctly he was being a wanker, a bit like Brown when he called a bigot a bigot.

You mean Nick Robinson was asking him some difficult questions which Raab didn't or couldn't answer. Only one wanker in that conversation and it wasn't Robinson

SO we have "Operation Dead Meat" and now the "Pork Pie Plot", what next - Boris's response of the "Rancid Fat Gambit"?

Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:48 am Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

Reduces the number of letters needed, to 53 !

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:54 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:48 am Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

Reduces the number of letters needed, to 53 !

Just what the Blonde Slug needs before PMQ's

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:48 am Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

That Paterson thing was such a needless balls up. All Boris had to do was let him get suspended for a month.

Wakeford nailed on probbaly to stand for Labour next election.
His majority of 400 is 0.8%.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:48 am Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

Ah, exercises the "Black Pudding Manoeuvre" I see

Being a laughing stock is absolutely the worst place to be for the Bumblecunt

They need to call him on that repeated lie about the European Medicines agency; he's never corrected that repeated lie

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:15 pm They need to call him on that repeated lie about the European Medicines agency; he's never corrected that repeated lie

What's the lie?

he's claimed the 40 new hospitals bollocks again.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:15 pm They need to call him on that repeated lie about the European Medicines agency; he's never corrected that repeated lie

What's the lie?

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:15 pm They need to call him on that repeated lie about the European Medicines agency; he's never corrected that repeated lie

What's the lie?

Something about we wouldn't have been allowed to proceed with the vaccine rollout without EMA go ahead if we'd been part of the EU? Which has been proven untrue

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:21 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:17 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:15 pm They need to call him on that repeated lie about the European Medicines agency; he's never corrected that repeated lie

What's the lie?

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Hmm this seems a stretch, he was clearly talking about joining the EU's vaccine programme

David Davis with a Cromwell/1940 crossover. Absolutely love to see it.

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:56 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:48 am Bloke with 0.8% majority sees which way the wind is blowing



Albeit he does seem to have fallen out of love with his party

It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.[16]

That Paterson thing was such a needless balls up. All Boris had to do was let him get suspended for a month.

A couple of years ago I was complaining what a shithead Paterson was to someone, and they said that in a 40 year career Paterson was the most inept person they'd ever had the misfortune of working with.

Outwitted by badgers, no?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:21 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:17 pm

What's the lie?

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Hmm this seems a stretch, he was clearly talking about joining the EU's vaccine programme

Would still have been a lie. No one was forced to join the program; but the all saw the advantage of negotiating as 400+ million, rather than individually; but some Countries were still free to do their own deals initially; until they joined the main one, & saw massive reductions in the price the paid for vaccines. The UK was paying three times more per vaccine, than the EU

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:21 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:17 pm

What's the lie?

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Hmm this seems a stretch, he was clearly talking about joining the EU's vaccine programme

He's repeatedly said we wouldn't have been allowed to run our own vaccine programme and would have been forced to do our procurement through the EU. Which is patently untrue given not all EU members ordered their vaccines through the EU programme.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:09 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:21 pm

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Hmm this seems a stretch, he was clearly talking about joining the EU's vaccine programme

Would still have been a lie. No one was forced to join the program; but the all saw the advantage of negotiating as 400+ million, rather than individually; but some Countries were still free to do their own deals initially; until they joined the main one, & saw massive reductions in the price the paid for vaccines. The UK was paying three times more per vaccine, than the EU

Yep heard the arguments before. Cost seems pretty irrelevant and the terms the UK was offered membership on were clearly unacceptable and would have been slower and less effective than our own rollout. He's entitled to see the vaccine programme as a success.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:10 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:21 pm

There's Two; that the EMA membership would have slowed the UKs vaccine rollout;

It wouldn't; because the UK was still a member, when it started it's vaccine rollout !

So it wasn't achieved OUTSIDE; & if it was successful; it obviously wasn't a problem !

Hmm this seems a stretch, he was clearly talking about joining the EU's vaccine programme

He's repeatedly said we wouldn't have been allowed to run our own vaccine programme and would have been forced to do our procurement through the EU. Which is patently untrue given not all EU members ordered their vaccines through the EU programme.

As I heard it the jibe he was making was that Labour wanted to join the EU vaccine programme rather than run our own, which is true. If I misheard and he was making a more technical point about the specifics of the EMA and procurement then fair enough I missed it.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:29 pm

Liars going to lie!

There should be a by election in Bury South and anytime there's someone crossing the floor. Say what you want about the good people of Bury South they're part of the red wall a geographic area that famously turned away from Labour. They don't want a Labour MP!



An passionate Labour man all along I see.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:44 pm There should be a by election in Bury South and anytime there's someone crossing the floor. Say what you want about the good people of Bury South they're part of the red wall a geographic area that famously turned away from Labour. They don't want a Labour MP!

Like when Kate Hoey, who's constituency voted remain (78%), went full UKIP?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:52 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:44 pm There should be a by election in Bury South and anytime there's someone crossing the floor. Say what you want about the good people of Bury South they're part of the red wall a geographic area that famously turned away from Labour. They don't want a Labour MP!

Like when Kate Hoey, who's constituency voted remain (78%), went full UKIP?

Yeah, just like that.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:52 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:44 pm There should be a by election in Bury South and anytime there's someone crossing the floor. Say what you want about the good people of Bury South they're part of the red wall a geographic area that famously turned away from Labour. They don't want a Labour MP!

Like when Kate Hoey, who's constituency voted remain (78%), went full UKIP?

Surely what would then happen is that a disgruntled MP would nominally stay in their party but simply start voting against them in the HoC. It'd be a hell of a thing if a political party could threaten an MP with a by-election if the party didn't like the way they were voting.