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Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:34 am People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Yes
However, no vaccine is going to be perfect. People have allergic reactions to lots of things. Vaccination program continues....

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:34 am People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Just had a quick skim and it's not. Sounds like the trials may have been a touch more selective than they should have been

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:41 am

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:34 am People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Yes
However, no vaccine is going to be perfect. People have allergic reactions to lots of things. Vaccination program continues....

I agree - you always learn some things during a vaccine deployment, as this is when Phase IV starts. But wiuth a Phase III trial of over 30,000 people, this really should have been caught. If notyhing else, it gives ammunition to the anti-vaxxers.

I'd be very interested to learn what triggered the reaction, as I thought this was supposed to be a non-reactive construction

How many people have been vaccinated so far, any idea? Even though a concern, it could be 1 in thousands.

China vaccine is said to be 86% effective according to U.A.E clinical trials.....

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:50 am How many people have been vaccinated so far, any idea? Even though a concern, it could be 1 in thousands.

Can't find any data so far on what's actually been delivered to patients (but you can be sure that the ONS is counting), but there were 800,000 doses delivered to the UK by yesterday morning, and they were being administered across 50 locations. I would guess it's 5,000 at a minimum but could easily be closer to 50,000

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:09 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:50 am How many people have been vaccinated so far, any idea? Even though a concern, it could be 1 in thousands.

Can't find any data so far on what's actually been delivered to patients (but you can be sure that the ONS is counting), but there were 800,000 doses delivered to the UK by yesterday morning, and they were being administered across 50 locations. I would guess it's 5,000 at a minimum but could easily be closer to 50,000

Both individuals are doing fine now anyway.

Benjamin Netanyahu said he’s going to demonstrate his faith in Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine by being the first in the country to be inoculated.

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:26 am There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:26 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:26 am There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:26 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:26 am There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

That damned virus

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:33 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:26 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:26 am There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

That damned virus

I blame the Jacks...

TB63 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:04 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:33 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:26 pm

Science doesn't care about your feelings.

That damned virus

I blame the Jacks...

Apparently so, they're congregating but clearly not at the Liberty Stadium at any time

European Medicines Agency victim of cyber attack.

Delighted to see the Uber conceited Kay Burley in a spot of bother.

Why do these cunts continually think they are above it

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:30 pm Delighted to see the Uber conceited Kay Burley in a spot of bother.

Why do these cunts continually think they are above it

Entitlement just like the arseholes Cummings and Jenrick during first lockdown

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:36 am

Benjamin Netanyahu said he’s going to demonstrate his faith in Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine by being the first in the country to be inoculated.

How many would lead to an overdose and death?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:48 pm

There's dozens of tweeters in that thread for you to follow. Don't rub the end right off it.

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Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:48 pm

There's dozens of tweeters in that thread for you to follow. Don't rub the end right off it.

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That's not a 100% false positive rate.... that's not how numbers work...

They said they're seeing a 0.3% false positive, and the numbers they've provided would fit in fairly well with that. I mean it's great that the campus is apparently covid free, but it really isn't showing up PCR as some awful thing, it's showing it as having a very low false positive, which is exactly what we need...

EDIT - Its like me taking the numbers from 1-1000, then removing any number with more than 1 digit, and then claiming that all numbers between 1-1000 only have 1 digit...

So the number of Covid deaths reported in the USA today went over 3000.

At the same time, the results of a poll about confidence in the vaccines revealed only about half would take one.

I wonder if lack of intelligence is affecting both of those results?

Watching the figures on the ICU beds also in the USA. They are going to be in for a rough holiday season.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:24 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:48 pm

There's dozens of tweeters in that thread for you to follow. Don't rub the end right off it.

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That's not a 100% false positive rate.... that's not how numbers work...

They said they're seeing a 0.3% false positive, and the numbers they've provided would fit in fairly well with that. I mean it's great that the campus is apparently covid free, but it really isn't showing up PCR as some awful thing, it's showing it as having a very low false positive, which is exactly what we need...

EDIT - Its like me taking the numbers from 1-1000, then removing any number with more than 1 digit, and then claiming that all numbers between 1-1000 only have 1 digit...

Fook me, that tweeter is either disingenuous or innumerate.

Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:18 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:24 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:42 pm

There's dozens of tweeters in that thread for you to follow. Don't rub the end right off it.

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That's not a 100% false positive rate.... that's not how numbers work...

They said they're seeing a 0.3% false positive, and the numbers they've provided would fit in fairly well with that. I mean it's great that the campus is apparently covid free, but it really isn't showing up PCR as some awful thing, it's showing it as having a very low false positive, which is exactly what we need...

EDIT - Its like me taking the numbers from 1-1000, then removing any number with more than 1 digit, and then claiming that all numbers between 1-1000 only have 1 digit...

Fook me, that tweeter is either disingenuous or innumerate.

Great stuff, believing that the whole college is covid free a great new addition to the mental gym.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:19 am Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

Most oldies I know aren’t risking much. Still Garden visits etc.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:36 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:19 am Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

Most oldies I know aren’t risking much. Still Garden visits etc.

Yes but 50 and 60 somethings will be seeing their families by and large, and though they may not die they may well get very seriously ill.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:19 am Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

Maybe it's why we're tier one, but quite a few we know aren't planning normal Christmas or even upto the rules. There's an attitude that we're almost through and the end is in sight so let's not screw it up.

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:55 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:19 am Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

Maybe it's why we're tier one, but quite a few we know aren't planning normal Christmas or even upto the rules. There's an attitude that we're almost through and the end is in sight so let's not screw it up.

The issue is that those who are going to break the rules I think will really break the rules.

Interesting article on BBC today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55246112

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:07 pm

My sister, who is in her early to mid sixties and an ardent Brexit and Boris supporter, claims (like Bimbo) that it is nothing more than a relatively severe 'flu.

If I show her a chart like that, she will respond with the claim that the deaths are not due to covid, but rather to the underlying co-morbidities and that the appearance of covid on the death certificates is simply a mechanism by Governments to justify the implementation of population-control measures designed to, well, I don't think she knows quite what the objective is.

This is not some simple-minded old bid: this is an architect who has some forty years' experience working on some of the most prestigious buildings in the country.

To me the best way of mitigating the effects of the pandemic is to be aware of its dangers and to be concious about its ability to spread. Wearing a mask may not protect you from getting the disease, but it may inhibit you from spreading it around; it may not stop all the aerosol droplets from through the material, but it may reduce the viral loading of those droplets.

Did you read about one of the long term effects of COVID on men that is starting to rear its head so to speak. And it affects people who were asymptomatic as well as light cases. Not just for heavy cases. Men who had the virus in verious levels started reporting erectile dysfunction issues. And it is not limited to the elderly...young men are included.

Might make a few more men think twice about taking this virus lightly.

bok_viking wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:19 pm Did you read about one of the long term effects of COVID on men that is starting to rear its head so to speak. And it affects people who were asymptomatic as well as light cases. Not just for heavy cases. Men who had the virus in verious levels started reporting erectile dysfunction issues. And it is not limited to the elderly...young men are included.

Might make a few more men think twice about taking this virus lightly.

Oh dear lord. You’ll believe anything.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:39 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:36 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:19 am Christmas strikes me as likely to be total carnage. The rules aren't unreasonable but people will still shamelessly bend them, not to mention hug/kiss etc. Late January lockdown.

Most oldies I know aren’t risking much. Still Garden visits etc.

Yes but 50 and 60 somethings will be seeing their families by and large, and though they may not die they may well get very seriously ill.

A small % will for sure. I don’t know of any large gatherings.

bok_viking wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:19 pm Did you read about one of the long term effects of COVID on men that is starting to rear its head so to speak. And it affects people who were asymptomatic as well as light cases. Not just for heavy cases. Men who had the virus in verious levels started reporting erectile dysfunction issues. And it is not limited to the elderly...young men are included.

Might make a few more men think twice about taking this virus lightly.

Not affected on me (yet)

bok_viking wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:19 pm Did you read about one of the long term effects of COVID on men that is starting to rear its head so to speak. And it affects people who were asymptomatic as well as light cases. Not just for heavy cases. Men who had the virus in verious levels started reporting erectile dysfunction issues. And it is not limited to the elderly...young men are included.

Might make a few more men think twice about taking this virus lightly.

Snowflakes in missing yet another bone shock!!

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:12 pm

Cockneys and Southerners causing issues apparently. Tier 3 them all

frodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:27 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:12 pm

Cockneys and Southerners causing issues apparently. Tier 3 them all

It’s heading that way. Of course nothing is exponential yet.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:36 am

Benjamin Netanyahu said he’s going to demonstrate his faith in Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine by being the first in the country to be inoculated.

Would Sir like a dash of strychnine with that?