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Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:06 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:06 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am


Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense ..... uncleared and transferred goods is what the two big ports do. They’re big free trade not EU trade areas.

So Claire Fox robustly defended the government's Internal Market Bill in the Lords last night only to then accidentally vote against it - helping defeat the very bill she'd spoken so passionately in defence of. November just keeps getting better.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:11 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:06 am

No we're going to be independent, it's has been said and obviously so shall it be done. If the rescue is going to come from Boris the Builder he might need to get a wriggle on

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense ..... uncleared and transferred goods is what the two big ports do. They’re big free trade not EU trade areas.

So we're going to be independent by being dependent and Rotterdam isn't in the EU, and that's what you think makes sense?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:54 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am

I hear in addition that the UK doesn't have a port big enough to cope with world wide trade and will have to continue using Rotterdam

Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When I posed the link yesterday it wasn't paywalled, but it is now.

The point is that the UK doesn't have the infrastructure to host big boats, not anything near it. After Brexit the big boats will still go to Rotterdam, but according to that FT article up to half of the Netherlands €40bn goods exports to the UK come from third countries. After Brexit this trade will have to go directly to the UK (where we don't have a single port capable of hosting the boats) or we will continue to use Rotterdam, ie the goods will have to pass through two borders, EU and then UK.

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

In effect you're doubling that workload for UK-bound goods.


The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:54 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:54 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 am


Europe and the med itself completely relies on big boat deliver to small boat delivery in Rotterdam and Antwerp ..... This continues regardless of brexit.

When I posed the link yesterday it wasn't paywalled, but it is now.

The point is that the UK doesn't have the infrastructure to host big boats, not anything near it. After Brexit the big boats will still go to Rotterdam, but according to that FT article up to half of the Netherlands €40bn goods exports to the UK come from third countries. After Brexit this trade will have to go directly to the UK (where we don't have a single port capable of hosting the boats) or we will continue to use Rotterdam, ie the goods will have to pass through two borders, EU and then UK.

Under EU law all plant or animal products must be checked entering or leaving the single market. The article states

When such checks are carried out at Rotterdam, the lorry driver must get out of the vehicle and sit in a waiting room. The container is opened by the veterinary inspector, the temperature of the product is checked, and health certificates are verified and stamped.

On average this process takes half an hour, but sometimes samples are sent to a lab, delaying shipments for substantially longer. These are the procedures that British goods could face after Brexit.

In effect you're doubling that workload for UK-bound goods.


The countries in the EU who take smaller boat deliveries don't face that obstacle because they are in the single market, that is one of the reasons why many of these people who are now Brexit Ultras initially said they would never dream of leaving the single market, describing that course of action as "madness".

It’s nonsense though, the model being put into Rotterdam is sub Panamax deliver for UK based goods.

Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world. Capacity is the current issue in Felixstowe. Associated British ports have exercised 2bln of land options around Felixstowe and Immingham in the last 2years,

The goods just won’t be customs cleared in the Netherlands and will be delivered customs sealed.

The FT should pay more attention.

Well, by my reckoning they've got seven weeks to free up capacity at Felixstowe and build the infrastructure required on those land options, or the scenario outlined in the article will come into play.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:23 pm As an anecdote, it's thought that Dutch Elm disease is being caught from imported logs

Imports from the EU which currently arrive into GB with an EU plant passport will instead need a phytosanitary certificate from 1 January 2021.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:54 pm
Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

lilyw wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:05 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:54 pm
Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

lilyw wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:05 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:54 pm
Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:42 pm

lilyw wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:05 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:54 pm
Also nonsense considering Felixstowe takes the largest boats in the world.

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Boats got bigger?

lilyw wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:47 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:42 pm

lilyw wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:05 am

You sure about that? I know that they did 5 years ago but I don't think that it's true any more.

Boats got bigger?

Yep.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:28 am So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:28 am So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

Brexit: Fresh border chaos fears as ‘haulier handbook’ to prevent meltdown on 1 January is delayed

A “haulier handbook” to prevent Brexit border meltdown on 1 January has been delayed and will not be ready for another month, it has been revealed.

The guide to the mountain of new red tape required to transport goods was promised in early September – but will now not be available in full until 7 December, little more than three weeks before it is needed.

Logistics UK, which represents freights group, warned time is running out to prevent “lorry queues at Dover and empty shelves in Northern Ireland”, when the transition period ends in just 50 days’ time.

“With the economy still reeling from handling the impact of Covid-19, the last thing UK PLC needs is another major shock of our own making,” said Elizabeth de Jong, its director of policy.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:28 am So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am


They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:10 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am
I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

The Farage Garage is supposed to hold up to two thousand lorries.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am


They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:18 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:10 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

The Farage Garage is supposed to hold up to two thousand lorries.

Oh yes, 1 700, but it's OK as they're putting in porta loos

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am


They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

They aren't going to spend every second inside their cab though. They need to piss and shit / eat / drink / wash; so the facilities haver to allow for hundreds trapped in a lorry park to observe social distancing.

sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:21 am
Can't wait for them to add this feature to Euro Truck Simulator

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:25 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:28 am So the RHA remain hugely concerned both with the lack of a deal being presented and that the lack of a deal stops many UK companies undertaking normal trading, and then with the pandemic that the lorry parks, or cages as they've taken to calling them, simply don't allow for social distancing such is the governmental concern for what the government states to be essential frontline workers. Luckily No.10 is busy with political infighting

They’re in Artics. How much space to they need for social distancing

I don't like to go along with Bimbo but

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:51 am So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Lee Cain: Top Boris Johnson aide quits amid infighting at No 10

One of Boris Johnson's closest aides, director of communications Lee Cain, has resigned amid reports of internal tensions in Downing Street.

He will leave next month, despite being offered a promotion to chief of staff.

His departure prompted speculation about the future of the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings, but the BBC was told he would stay for now.

Mr Cain has been at the PM's side since he was a press officer for the Vote Leave campaign under Mr Cummings.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:35 am thread!

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:51 am So Boris says the UK will thrive even without an EU deal, Micheál Martin says the UK will be in ruins.

I tend to think both are talking rubbish

Perhaps the solution is to simply order all drivers to remain in their cabs bar taking a piss/shit and having a wash, but it's not exactly respectful of people.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:35 am thread!