Re: 2023 Six Nations
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pm
Farrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
Farrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
We can weather Farrell, he's far enough out that the ball doesn't always end up in his hands. Youngs is there with hands on for almost every play and kills everything at source.Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pmFarrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
Move him to 10Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pmFarrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
Itoje needs to go as well; he contributes very little other than giving away stupid penalties. Farrell and Smith still not working either, so get a proper 12 to partner Smith.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
Except as usual, he spent most of the second half standing at 10. Two playmakers something world class fly half something something.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:43 pmWe can weather Farrell, he's far enough out that the ball doesn't always end up in his hands. Youngs is there with hands on for almost every play and kills everything at source.Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pmFarrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
He played 10. I reckon Smith was outside him at at least 75% of phases where both were available. Lord knows why they wore the wrong numbers.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:44 pmMove him to 10Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pmFarrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
That’s 5th columnist stuffSlick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:44 pmMove him to 10Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pmFarrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
When we kept ball in hand, moved through the phases and didn't have Youngs shitting all over everything, we looked good and Scotland were in trouble.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:48 pm The scary thing about Scotland is that they haven't played well.
Still to much kicking and their defense system isn't good.. England looked lost.
The Scots are pretty humble.
It’s more getting rid of Smith in my opinion. Unless he gets it given to him on a plate I just don’t think he has been good enough at this levelMahoney wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:52 pmHe played 10. I reckon Smith was outside him at at least 75% of phases where both were available. Lord knows why they wore the wrong numbers.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:44 pmMove him to 10Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:37 pm
Farrell first. Nothing about Eng will change until he goes.
It makes no sense to me. Smith at 1st receiver, Farrell inside centre, maybe. Farrell or Smith at 1st receiver with a proper centre outside them, sure. Smith at inside centre though… no.
Get rid of magic Marcus? The saviour of rugby? The king of kings? Slick, you've celebrated with a wee bit too much whisky.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:58 pmIt’s more getting rid of Smith in my opinion. Unless he gets it given to him on a plate I just don’t think he has been good enough at this levelMahoney wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:52 pmHe played 10. I reckon Smith was outside him at at least 75% of phases where both were available. Lord knows why they wore the wrong numbers.
It makes no sense to me. Smith at 1st receiver, Farrell inside centre, maybe. Farrell or Smith at 1st receiver with a proper centre outside them, sure. Smith at inside centre though… no.
Itoje could certainly do with a dropping to give him a kick up the arse. Think he's far too comfortable in his position.Lobby wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:44 pmItoje needs to go as well; he contributes very little other than giving away stupid penalties. Farrell and Smith still not working either, so get a proper 12 to partner Smith.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 pm Can this finally be the moment we're shot of Youngs? He was dreadful.
However, England were at least playing rugby for the first time in a few years (well at least until Youngs started kicking the ball away).
Yeah the system was a bit strange.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:48 pm The scary thing about Scotland is that they haven't played well.
Still to much kicking and their defense system isn't good.. England looked lost.
We didn't seem to compete at the breakdown for long parts of the game. And it looked intentional, no second man coming to the tackle area. Got to assume that was a choice for this game and come Wales the boys will have license to attack the ball.Big D wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:11 pmYeah the system was a bit strange.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:48 pm The scary thing about Scotland is that they haven't played well.
Still to much kicking and their defense system isn't good.. England looked lost.
To be fair England piled the pressure on Russell and with 4 men back waiting it was good tactics.
This was the point about the ABs -Scotland match last Autumn.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:48 pm The scary thing about Scotland is that they haven't played well ...
Farrell was very clearly hunting a big hit on Russell.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:31 pm Marchant got sold down the river by Farrell a few times. Farrell trying to smash every time regardless if the player was covered opened up huge holes.
Sure, and he landed a few plus put in one great tackle on DvDM. But given that Marchant ended up going 6/1 and Farrell 5/3 plus the very obvious defensive error that led to a try under the posts, it's odd to point the fingers at the guy left defending 30m of space...
I know how this is going to sound given that you've just beaten us again, but in that same time period England have a better record against top teams than Scotland do.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:39 pm I did think England looked generally better than they have in the last couple of years and definitely something to work on.
I don’t mean this as a gloat but there are too many players who have been talked up but just don’t seem good enough at this level and a few that seemingly just had a bad day. It’s roughly the same guys who now have a terrible record against us over the last 5/6 years.
The front row looks lovely but never dominates. Itoje has been discussed- thought Chessum had a good game. The back rows seem to get rave reviews in the prem but rarely have a good game as a unit at this level. Half backs are pretty gash imo.
Anyway, I do think it will get better with the new coach, and there were signs, but I also think a few players that seem established shouldn’t be
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:57 pmI know how this is going to sound given that you've just beaten us again, but in that same time period England have a better record against top teams than Scotland do.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:39 pm I did think England looked generally better than they have in the last couple of years and definitely something to work on.
I don’t mean this as a gloat but there are too many players who have been talked up but just don’t seem good enough at this level and a few that seemingly just had a bad day. It’s roughly the same guys who now have a terrible record against us over the last 5/6 years.
The front row looks lovely but never dominates. Itoje has been discussed- thought Chessum had a good game. The back rows seem to get rave reviews in the prem but rarely have a good game as a unit at this level. Half backs are pretty gash imo.
Anyway, I do think it will get better with the new coach, and there were signs, but I also think a few players that seem established shouldn’t be
We've beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 5 fixtures, we've won and drawn against New Zealand, we've won 3 against South Africa. Scotland have bupkiss against those teams in their last 5. It's what makes our current inability to beat you deeply frustrating.
Not at all, it’s a very fair pointsockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:57 pmI know how this is going to sound given that you've just beaten us again, but in that same time period England have a better record against top teams than Scotland do.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:39 pm I did think England looked generally better than they have in the last couple of years and definitely something to work on.
I don’t mean this as a gloat but there are too many players who have been talked up but just don’t seem good enough at this level and a few that seemingly just had a bad day. It’s roughly the same guys who now have a terrible record against us over the last 5/6 years.
The front row looks lovely but never dominates. Itoje has been discussed- thought Chessum had a good game. The back rows seem to get rave reviews in the prem but rarely have a good game as a unit at this level. Half backs are pretty gash imo.
Anyway, I do think it will get better with the new coach, and there were signs, but I also think a few players that seem established shouldn’t be
We've beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 5 fixtures, we've won and drawn against New Zealand, we've won 3 against South Africa. Scotland have bupkiss against those teams in their last 5. It's what makes our current inability to beat you deeply frustrating.
I was gearing myself up to post that it was a great game and well done to England as the whole game was closeJM2K6 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:02 pm I'd also say that this was a match that England were on top in for quite some time. It was a good close game - had England grabbed a fourth try and not Scotland, I don't think many Scots would be impressed if we started claiming your players aren't up to it.
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:02 pm I'd also say that this was a match that England were on top in for quite some time. It was a good close game - had England grabbed a fourth try and not Scotland, I don't think many Scots would be impressed if we started claiming your players aren't up to it.
C'mon now. The English have been doing it pretty continually for decades.
It’s entirely fair.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pmNot at all, it’s a very fair pointsockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:57 pmI know how this is going to sound given that you've just beaten us again, but in that same time period England have a better record against top teams than Scotland do.Slick wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:39 pm I did think England looked generally better than they have in the last couple of years and definitely something to work on.
I don’t mean this as a gloat but there are too many players who have been talked up but just don’t seem good enough at this level and a few that seemingly just had a bad day. It’s roughly the same guys who now have a terrible record against us over the last 5/6 years.
The front row looks lovely but never dominates. Itoje has been discussed- thought Chessum had a good game. The back rows seem to get rave reviews in the prem but rarely have a good game as a unit at this level. Half backs are pretty gash imo.
Anyway, I do think it will get better with the new coach, and there were signs, but I also think a few players that seem established shouldn’t be
We've beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 5 fixtures, we've won and drawn against New Zealand, we've won 3 against South Africa. Scotland have bupkiss against those teams in their last 5. It's what makes our current inability to beat you deeply frustrating.
Is commitment to your New Year’s resolution being tested??Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:23 pm We’re talking about a game where had England tackled a bloke they failed to five times after an average kick they would have won. Easy to overthink
It's getting a bit unhealthy now.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:23 pm Well that was much needed antidote to the earlier game. Congrats Scotland.
Russell Watch.
1st half
• Excellent to spot the gap when Farrell decided he was FH and flew up. Try Sco.
• Tried to be too clever (or shat the bed) for the poor hack though by Eng. Try Eng.
• Crabbed sideways on a promising attack. Smashed by Farrell, chance gone.
• Just as he did for Racing against LaR last week, misses easy conversion.
• 35 mins and he overplays it again. Kick is too deep and 2 mins of possession later, try Eng. Harsh? Good sides punish loose kicking.
• Watch him for the 42 min penalty. Headless chicken running around in defence and misses at least 2 tackles.
• Restarts throughout the half were on the nail. But they don’t yield points.
2nd half
o Good covering from kick through when Eng wasted an advantage.
o Poor pass to Ritchie who should have taken it but it was dying and not in front of the man.
o 56 minute kick “got that one horribly wrong”.
o 57 minutes, misses tackle on Smith. Tuipolotu’s not missed tackle on Smith saves Sco.
o 65 mins Russell gets a pen after running up a blind alley but Earl screws up. Sometimes cookie crumbles your way.
o 66 mins, crossfield kick correct option for potential try but execution not good enough for a toughie.
o 71 mins and Kinghorn gives Russell a high pressure pass. Should have gone for touch but didn’t. Split second choice but it was the wrong one or the right one poorly executed.
o 73 mins kicks direct to touch.
o 74 minute Sco try. 2 good passes by Russell in the build up but you’d expect any decent FH to have made them and a stretch to credit him with anything decisive in the try. V. good conversion.
It’s what he does week after week for Racing. Mixed moments of magic and madness. By my reckoning it was a significant net deficit this time just as it was v Quins a few weeks back. In neither game did it change the result but that’s immaterial to the individual performance.
You are fucking nutsTorquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:23 pm Well that was much needed antidote to the earlier game. Congrats Scotland.
Russell Watch.
1st half
• Excellent to spot the gap when Farrell decided he was FH and flew up. Try Sco.
• Tried to be too clever (or shat the bed) for the poor hack though by Eng. Try Eng.
• Crabbed sideways on a promising attack. Smashed by Farrell, chance gone.
• Just as he did for Racing against LaR last week, misses easy conversion.
• 35 mins and he overplays it again. Kick is too deep and 2 mins of possession later, try Eng. Harsh? Good sides punish loose kicking.
• Watch him for the 42 min penalty. Headless chicken running around in defence and misses at least 2 tackles.
• Restarts throughout the half were on the nail. But they don’t yield points.
2nd half
o Good covering from kick through when Eng wasted an advantage.
o Poor pass to Ritchie who should have taken it but it was dying and not in front of the man.
o 56 minute kick “got that one horribly wrong”.
o 57 minutes, misses tackle on Smith. Tuipolotu’s not missed tackle on Smith saves Sco.
o 65 mins Russell gets a pen after running up a blind alley but Earl screws up. Sometimes cookie crumbles your way.
o 66 mins, crossfield kick correct option for potential try but execution not good enough for a toughie.
o 71 mins and Kinghorn gives Russell a high pressure pass. Should have gone for touch but didn’t. Split second choice but it was the wrong one or the right one poorly executed.
o 73 mins kicks direct to touch.
o 74 minute Sco try. 2 good passes by Russell in the build up but you’d expect any decent FH to have made them and a stretch to credit him with anything decisive in the try. V. good conversion.
It’s what he does week after week for Racing. Mixed moments of magic and madness. By my reckoning it was a significant net deficit this time just as it was v Quins a few weeks back. In neither game did it change the result but that’s immaterial to the individual performance.