Concussion Legal Action Against WR
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Twenty or thirty years ago punches were not uncommon and hardly ever got penalised.
Not sure what point you’re making. As far as I’m aware the concussive consequences of constant battering in training and games are far worse than receiving a punch now and then.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:41 am Twenty or thirty years ago punches were not uncommon and hardly ever got penalised.
And so many declare it a 'collision sport' when it doesn't have to be strategically/tactically.
Excellent article
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SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:19 am Excellent article
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That has me feeling really pissed off all over again.
Important quote from that:
“But money has distorted the game’s values, and conflicts of interest have crippled the sport and prevented it from having an honest conversation with itself.”
People asking why community rugby has to change tackle laws while pros do not and yet ref isn’t sure if a direct shoulder to the head is a red or not, likely thinking about the amount of people who are going to roast HIM in-person and online for “ruining” the match afterwards.
I don’t even believe the numbers English critics cite (saying it’s incredibly low, 1 concussion per 25 games) given how many players I saw stood down last year by our club’s very good, no-nonsense, licensed physio. I would guess our club had one per game, odd one at training. Thankfully, the coaches and men all support her decisions, but no way that sort of diligence is consistent across the community game.
It was interesting (and distressing) hearing one of the national hopefuls talk about how he used to game the system after a ‘knock’ and working with a former international at minis who I suspect has some issues given his speech pattern and bouts of confusion that his buddies kinda joke about but clearly are a bit concerned about as well.
“But money has distorted the game’s values, and conflicts of interest have crippled the sport and prevented it from having an honest conversation with itself.”
People asking why community rugby has to change tackle laws while pros do not and yet ref isn’t sure if a direct shoulder to the head is a red or not, likely thinking about the amount of people who are going to roast HIM in-person and online for “ruining” the match afterwards.
I don’t even believe the numbers English critics cite (saying it’s incredibly low, 1 concussion per 25 games) given how many players I saw stood down last year by our club’s very good, no-nonsense, licensed physio. I would guess our club had one per game, odd one at training. Thankfully, the coaches and men all support her decisions, but no way that sort of diligence is consistent across the community game.
It was interesting (and distressing) hearing one of the national hopefuls talk about how he used to game the system after a ‘knock’ and working with a former international at minis who I suspect has some issues given his speech pattern and bouts of confusion that his buddies kinda joke about but clearly are a bit concerned about as well.
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Apols to quote myself - some good news, I'm pleased to report, the poor lass who was injured is grabbing life by the balls:inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:34 am Although not a head injury, it's a noteworthy legal outcome in a very sad case.
A female player was paralysed from the waist down in a 'reckless' tackle (magistrate's words), and the tackler has been found liable for damages.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ing-player
There's images on the internet I won't link to, but looks similar to the 'crusher' tackle that League has had to actively ban - looks like the tackler caught her as she was bent down picking up from a ruck and smashed her downwards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/disability-sport/66545298
Fan-fucking-tastic, and all the very best of luck to herCzernuszka-Watts has conquered the challenges she has set herself so far. Twice she has completed the London Marathon, and sailed around Antigua with other wheelchair users.
It was after the first marathon that she decided to fill the hole in her life that sport had previously occupied. That video of sledge hockey - now known as Para-ice hockey - lurked in her memory and so she went to her first session with the Cardiff Huskies.
"I went out the next day and bought my kit. It was like freedom," she says.
In 2021, she answered a call for women with lower-limb disabilities to be a part of the Great Britain women's Para-ice hockey programme. She pulled on the red, white and blue - the number seven on her back once again - for the first time at the inaugural Women's World Challenge in Green Bay, Wisconsin, last year, an achievement made all the more remarkable given she had given birth to her third child eight weeks earlier.
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This was quite sobering - David Squires usually does some pretty flippant cartoons on football but he's covered off concussion and long term injury in the NFL. Not much fun here, I'm afraid, and not pleasant to read that the NFL are resisting Eric Smith's claim for permanent disability despite all he's going through.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng ... d-and-body
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng ... d-and-body
Interesting!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... impactsRugby union is to become the world’s first sport to use technology to automatically withdraw players with a suspected brain injury from the field of play, the Guardian can reveal.
World Rugby is expected to confirm within the next 48 hours that it will adopt smart mouthguard technology, which measures the G-force of every head impact in real time, in all its elite matches to help make the game safer.
The technology, which works by using bluetooth to immediately alert an independent doctor whenever a player suffers a big collision in a tackle or ruck, will be debuted in the WXV women’s match between Italy and Japan on 13 October. It will then be rolled out into the men’s professional game in January, in time for the Six Nations.
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Thanks for link.SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:06 pm Interesting!https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... impactsRugby union is to become the world’s first sport to use technology to automatically withdraw players with a suspected brain injury from the field of play, the Guardian can reveal.
World Rugby is expected to confirm within the next 48 hours that it will adopt smart mouthguard technology, which measures the G-force of every head impact in real time, in all its elite matches to help make the game safer.
The technology, which works by using bluetooth to immediately alert an independent doctor whenever a player suffers a big collision in a tackle or ruck, will be debuted in the WXV women’s match between Italy and Japan on 13 October. It will then be rolled out into the men’s professional game in January, in time for the Six Nations.
I know this post is from months ago, but this sort of argument really fucking grinds my gears. There is zero reason why rugby should be in the same conversation with Boxing and MMA. None whatsoever. Rugby has become a collision sport, but it never used to be. It was always, and should return to be, a contact sport. There is a very big difference between those two philosophies.
When I grew up watching and playing the game (and we're talking up to the mid 90's here, not way back in the 19 dickities) it was a contact sport where collisions occasionally occurred. They are now commonplace. Scrums, rucks and mauls were things that you bound on to and used strength and skill to push and wrestle your opponents to your advantage. Tackle's the same, cheek to cheek and you used your core then to destablise the ball carrier and bring them to the ground (or if you were a back you'd just latch on and hope the anchor effect was enough to bring them down). Now its all smash, smash, smash and the game is much worse off for it.
I know there will be younger fans who actually can't imagine the game as I have just described it, but trust me, it did exist. And if you really need convincing, Ireland were shite at it, so that's got to appeal to a good bunch of you.
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That technology is great..if we sacked all rugby players today, scrapped all competitions..and waited 9 years to start rugby up again..using mouthgaurds in under nines.. mini rugby.
Guess all current players are fucked huh?
I mean where is the technology that scans players brains to see how fucked up they already are, by the multiple heavy concussions they have already probably sufferred..and telling them
"hey we know you are only 23 kid, and feel fine, but you is...sorry did your mind just wander for a bit then....concentrate damn it...not fine, look scan shows heavy damage to your pre frontal cortex, which controls you...look put the knife down..nurse code blue.. we have another O.J Simpso.arrghhhh"...
Guess all current players are fucked huh?
I mean where is the technology that scans players brains to see how fucked up they already are, by the multiple heavy concussions they have already probably sufferred..and telling them
"hey we know you are only 23 kid, and feel fine, but you is...sorry did your mind just wander for a bit then....concentrate damn it...not fine, look scan shows heavy damage to your pre frontal cortex, which controls you...look put the knife down..nurse code blue.. we have another O.J Simpso.arrghhhh"...
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212 players who I assume are showing signs of cognitive impairment from playing rugby.
This is just fucking heartbreaking.
I genuinely feel so deeply sorry for them and their families.
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The full list of 76 Welsh rugby players taking legal action for brain injuries
A total of 212 former players are suing the governing bodies World Rugby, Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union
At least 76 Welsh rugby players have been named as claimants in the High Court concussion lawsuit against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union.
Following a case management hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice in London on Friday, 212 players have been named as being involved in the suit and are suing the governing bodies. You can read more about that here.
Of those 212 announced today, 76 are definitely Welsh and include the likes of Gavin Henson, former skipper Colin Charvis and Ian Gough, among others. The number is likely to be higher, with some of the players listed amateurs who more than likely are Welsh based on the limited information available, but cannot be confirmed as such. So far, 34 Wales internationals are confirmed to be involved.
Previously, former players such as Alix Popham and Ryan Jones had gone public with their claims but this is the first time a number have been named.
The Welsh list in full
Adam Hughes
Alix Popham
Andrew Coombs
Andrew Lamerton
Andrew Millward
Carl Hamans
Carwyn Jones
Craig Hawkins
Dafydd James
David Llewellyn
David Maddocks
Derwyn Jones
Emyr Lewis
Gareth Cull
Gareth Owen
Gareth Price
Gareth Williams
Gavin Evans
Gavin Thomas
Geraint Thomas
Hal Luscombe
Hywel Jenkins
Ian Gough
Ian Jones
James Griffiths
Jamie Ringer
Jamie Robinson
Jonathan Ross Coombs
Leigh Davies
Lenny Woodard
Lou Reed
Lyndon Bateman
Mark Perego
Matthew Dwyer
Matthew Pewtner
Michael Hook
Michael Powell
Nigel Bezani
Paul Clapham
Paul Pook
Paul Smithson
Rhys Gill
Rhys James
Rhys Thomas
Robson Blake
Rory Pitman
Rory Watts-Jones
Ryan Jones
Saul Nelson
Simon Gardiner
Stephen Winn
Deian Thomas
Glen Webbe
Mike Watkins
Non Evans
Paul Ringer
Sean Gilbertson
Shaun Gustard
Trefor Evans
Brendan Lyons
Christopher Stevens
Colin Charvis
Darren Morris
David Bishop
Gavin Henson
Ian Greenslade
Joseph Grabham
Joshua Rhys James
Leighton Jones
Lewis Rawlins
Matthew Jones
Morgan Stoddart
Nathan Strong
Scott Hicks
Wayne Booth
The full list of players
Adam Hughes
Adam Black
Adam Eustace
Adam Palfrey
Alan Awcock
Alexander Cheesman
Alexander Lundberg
Alfie To'oala Vaeluaga
Alix Popham
Andrew Clarke
Andrew Coombs
Andrew Lamerton
Andrew Millward
Andrew Springgay
Ben Pegna
Callum Wilson
Carl Hamans
Carl Hayman
Carwyn Jones
Charlie Beech
Christian Short
Christopher Arnold
Christopher Cracknell
Christopher Jones
Christopher Planchant
Christopher Whitehead
Christopher Simpson-Daniel
Craig Hawkins
Dafydd James
Dale Rasmussen
Daniel Roberts
Daniel Scarborough
David Corkery
David Jackson
David Llewelyn
David Maddocks
David Merlin
Derwyn Jones
Dominic Ryan
Duncan Bell
Emyr Lewis
Finlay Barnham
Gareth Cull
Gareth Owen
Gareth Price
Gareth Williams
Gavin Evans
Gavin Thomas
Geraint Davies
Hal Luscombe
Harry Ellis
Hywel Jenkins
Ian Gough
Ian Jones
Inoke Afeaki
Jack Cobden
James Collins
James Griffiths
James Voss
Jamie Cudmore
Jamie Ringer
Jamie Robinson
Jason Hobson
John Carter
John Paul O'Reilly
Jonathan Ross Coombs
Joseph Buckle
Joseph Cobden
Joseph Trayfoot
Justin Blanchet
Justin Wring
Kieran Low
Leigh Davies
Lenny Woodard
Leo Halavatau
Lou Reed
Luke Fielden
Luke Wishnowsky
Lyndon Bateman
Mark Perego
Mark Regan MBE
Mark Robinson
Mathew Vaughan
Matthew Dwyer
Matthew Pewtner
Michael Hook
Michael Lipman
Michael Myerscough
Michael Powell
Michael Wilson
Mouritz Botha
Neil Clark
Neil Spence
Neil Walker
Nick Williams
Nigel Bezani
Oliver Hayes
Oliver Hodge
Oliver Phillips
Paul Boulard
Paul Clapham
Paul Jones
Paul Pook
Paul Sampson
Paul Smithson
Paul Volley
Peter Short
Philip Nilsen
Philip Vickery MBE
Regan King
Rhys Gill
Rhys James
Rhys Thomas
Richard Thorpe
Robert Green
Robert Hoadley
Robert Kydd
Robson Blake
Roger Wilson
Rory Pitman
Rory Watts-Jones
Russell Kesley
Ryan Jones MBE
Samuel Blanchet
Saul Nelson
Sean Lamont
Simon Gardiner
Simon Mason
Steve Thompson MBE
Stephen Winn
Tevita Taumoepeau
Theo Brophy-Clews
Thomas Pierce
Thomas Rock
Timothy Cowley
Vaughan Going
Aakesh Rai
Adam French
Alexander Abbey
Alexander Barnes
Alun Griffiths
Andrew Herbert
Anne Marie Livesey as Litigation Friend for Martin Livesey
Ben Pickett
Ben Rider
Caer Davies
Ceri Jones
Colin Wood
Craig Harvey
Craig Thomas
Daniel Napier
David Riley
Deian Thomas
Dianne Williams as personal representative for Ivor Wyn Williams
Gerwyn Davies
Glen Webbe
Hugo Dickson
Ieuan Cranswick
Jack Yates
Martin Frost as Litigation Friend for James Batterham
Jonathan Purnell
Jon Godson as Litigation Friend for Alan Godson
Joseph Cook
Joshua Hosford
Kristian Trezise
Kyle Green
Lewis Edwards
Mark Catterall
Matthew Clement
Meghan Mutrie
Michael Davies
Michael Lloyd Jones as personal representative of Peter Jones (deceased)
Michael Powell
Michael Watkins
Claire Riou as Litigation Friend for Nicolas Riou
Non Evans
Oliver Cavanagh
Paul Ringer
Paul Rudd
Paul Thompson
Rhys Watkins
Richard Howells
Robert Cunningham
Robert Johnston
Ryan Griffiths
Sean Gilbertson
Shaun Doughton
Shaun Gustard
Stephen Williams
Stephen Butcher
Steven Sugar
Teresa O'Reilly
Timothy Graves
Ruth Walters as Litigation Friend for Trefor Evans
Ben Gerry
Brendan Lyons
Brett Sheehan
Christopher Stevens
Colin Charvis
Darren Morris
David Bishop
Gavin Henson
Ian Greenslade
Jack Stanley
John Leota
Jordan Davies
Joseph Grabham
Joshua Rhys James
Leighton Jones
Lewis Rawlins
Mark Ridehalgh
Matthew Jones
Michael Peters
Morgan Stoddart
Nathan Strong
Oliver Catterjee
Paul Knight
Paul Whittaker
Richard Armswood
Ross Johnston
Scott Crosby
Scott Hicks
Simon Bunting
Wayne Booth
This is just fucking heartbreaking.
I genuinely feel so deeply sorry for them and their families.
HomeSportRugbyWales Rugby Team
The full list of 76 Welsh rugby players taking legal action for brain injuries
A total of 212 former players are suing the governing bodies World Rugby, Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union
At least 76 Welsh rugby players have been named as claimants in the High Court concussion lawsuit against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union.
Following a case management hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice in London on Friday, 212 players have been named as being involved in the suit and are suing the governing bodies. You can read more about that here.
Of those 212 announced today, 76 are definitely Welsh and include the likes of Gavin Henson, former skipper Colin Charvis and Ian Gough, among others. The number is likely to be higher, with some of the players listed amateurs who more than likely are Welsh based on the limited information available, but cannot be confirmed as such. So far, 34 Wales internationals are confirmed to be involved.
Previously, former players such as Alix Popham and Ryan Jones had gone public with their claims but this is the first time a number have been named.
The Welsh list in full
Adam Hughes
Alix Popham
Andrew Coombs
Andrew Lamerton
Andrew Millward
Carl Hamans
Carwyn Jones
Craig Hawkins
Dafydd James
David Llewellyn
David Maddocks
Derwyn Jones
Emyr Lewis
Gareth Cull
Gareth Owen
Gareth Price
Gareth Williams
Gavin Evans
Gavin Thomas
Geraint Thomas
Hal Luscombe
Hywel Jenkins
Ian Gough
Ian Jones
James Griffiths
Jamie Ringer
Jamie Robinson
Jonathan Ross Coombs
Leigh Davies
Lenny Woodard
Lou Reed
Lyndon Bateman
Mark Perego
Matthew Dwyer
Matthew Pewtner
Michael Hook
Michael Powell
Nigel Bezani
Paul Clapham
Paul Pook
Paul Smithson
Rhys Gill
Rhys James
Rhys Thomas
Robson Blake
Rory Pitman
Rory Watts-Jones
Ryan Jones
Saul Nelson
Simon Gardiner
Stephen Winn
Deian Thomas
Glen Webbe
Mike Watkins
Non Evans
Paul Ringer
Sean Gilbertson
Shaun Gustard
Trefor Evans
Brendan Lyons
Christopher Stevens
Colin Charvis
Darren Morris
David Bishop
Gavin Henson
Ian Greenslade
Joseph Grabham
Joshua Rhys James
Leighton Jones
Lewis Rawlins
Matthew Jones
Morgan Stoddart
Nathan Strong
Scott Hicks
Wayne Booth
The full list of players
Adam Hughes
Adam Black
Adam Eustace
Adam Palfrey
Alan Awcock
Alexander Cheesman
Alexander Lundberg
Alfie To'oala Vaeluaga
Alix Popham
Andrew Clarke
Andrew Coombs
Andrew Lamerton
Andrew Millward
Andrew Springgay
Ben Pegna
Callum Wilson
Carl Hamans
Carl Hayman
Carwyn Jones
Charlie Beech
Christian Short
Christopher Arnold
Christopher Cracknell
Christopher Jones
Christopher Planchant
Christopher Whitehead
Christopher Simpson-Daniel
Craig Hawkins
Dafydd James
Dale Rasmussen
Daniel Roberts
Daniel Scarborough
David Corkery
David Jackson
David Llewelyn
David Maddocks
David Merlin
Derwyn Jones
Dominic Ryan
Duncan Bell
Emyr Lewis
Finlay Barnham
Gareth Cull
Gareth Owen
Gareth Price
Gareth Williams
Gavin Evans
Gavin Thomas
Geraint Davies
Hal Luscombe
Harry Ellis
Hywel Jenkins
Ian Gough
Ian Jones
Inoke Afeaki
Jack Cobden
James Collins
James Griffiths
James Voss
Jamie Cudmore
Jamie Ringer
Jamie Robinson
Jason Hobson
John Carter
John Paul O'Reilly
Jonathan Ross Coombs
Joseph Buckle
Joseph Cobden
Joseph Trayfoot
Justin Blanchet
Justin Wring
Kieran Low
Leigh Davies
Lenny Woodard
Leo Halavatau
Lou Reed
Luke Fielden
Luke Wishnowsky
Lyndon Bateman
Mark Perego
Mark Regan MBE
Mark Robinson
Mathew Vaughan
Matthew Dwyer
Matthew Pewtner
Michael Hook
Michael Lipman
Michael Myerscough
Michael Powell
Michael Wilson
Mouritz Botha
Neil Clark
Neil Spence
Neil Walker
Nick Williams
Nigel Bezani
Oliver Hayes
Oliver Hodge
Oliver Phillips
Paul Boulard
Paul Clapham
Paul Jones
Paul Pook
Paul Sampson
Paul Smithson
Paul Volley
Peter Short
Philip Nilsen
Philip Vickery MBE
Regan King
Rhys Gill
Rhys James
Rhys Thomas
Richard Thorpe
Robert Green
Robert Hoadley
Robert Kydd
Robson Blake
Roger Wilson
Rory Pitman
Rory Watts-Jones
Russell Kesley
Ryan Jones MBE
Samuel Blanchet
Saul Nelson
Sean Lamont
Simon Gardiner
Simon Mason
Steve Thompson MBE
Stephen Winn
Tevita Taumoepeau
Theo Brophy-Clews
Thomas Pierce
Thomas Rock
Timothy Cowley
Vaughan Going
Aakesh Rai
Adam French
Alexander Abbey
Alexander Barnes
Alun Griffiths
Andrew Herbert
Anne Marie Livesey as Litigation Friend for Martin Livesey
Ben Pickett
Ben Rider
Caer Davies
Ceri Jones
Colin Wood
Craig Harvey
Craig Thomas
Daniel Napier
David Riley
Deian Thomas
Dianne Williams as personal representative for Ivor Wyn Williams
Gerwyn Davies
Glen Webbe
Hugo Dickson
Ieuan Cranswick
Jack Yates
Martin Frost as Litigation Friend for James Batterham
Jonathan Purnell
Jon Godson as Litigation Friend for Alan Godson
Joseph Cook
Joshua Hosford
Kristian Trezise
Kyle Green
Lewis Edwards
Mark Catterall
Matthew Clement
Meghan Mutrie
Michael Davies
Michael Lloyd Jones as personal representative of Peter Jones (deceased)
Michael Powell
Michael Watkins
Claire Riou as Litigation Friend for Nicolas Riou
Non Evans
Oliver Cavanagh
Paul Ringer
Paul Rudd
Paul Thompson
Rhys Watkins
Richard Howells
Robert Cunningham
Robert Johnston
Ryan Griffiths
Sean Gilbertson
Shaun Doughton
Shaun Gustard
Stephen Williams
Stephen Butcher
Steven Sugar
Teresa O'Reilly
Timothy Graves
Ruth Walters as Litigation Friend for Trefor Evans
Ben Gerry
Brendan Lyons
Brett Sheehan
Christopher Stevens
Colin Charvis
Darren Morris
David Bishop
Gavin Henson
Ian Greenslade
Jack Stanley
John Leota
Jordan Davies
Joseph Grabham
Joshua Rhys James
Leighton Jones
Lewis Rawlins
Mark Ridehalgh
Matthew Jones
Michael Peters
Morgan Stoddart
Nathan Strong
Oliver Catterjee
Paul Knight
Paul Whittaker
Richard Armswood
Ross Johnston
Scott Crosby
Scott Hicks
Simon Bunting
Wayne Booth
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First I've heard of this, but looks promising
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 0lknlv2ylo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 0lknlv2ylo
A new brain-cooling treatment for sports-related concussion is being trialled in professional rugby union.
It is the first acute treatment for the injury able to be delivered pitchside and is being used by six clubs in the United Rugby Championship (URC).
'PolarCap' works by delivering targeted cooling to the head and neck for between 45 and 60 minutes following a concussion injury.
The treatment originates from a five-year study in professional ice hockey in Sweden, which found it had the potential to reduce long-term concussion absence.
It's the NRL, but the comments that almost-exclusively support Graham that follow the post also seem to include Union people as well. There are always a lot of similar comments following similar rugby stories too.
I suppose the combat sport argument has a point - boxing and MMA aren't going away and current rugby players/coaches know more about the risks than those who battered each other in the 90s and 00s. But I also want these people to constantly keep in mind people like Billy Guyton, Paul Green, et al and recognize that safer just doesn't protect the sport from lawsuits, it reduces the likelihood that people die because of sport.
I suppose the combat sport argument has a point - boxing and MMA aren't going away and current rugby players/coaches know more about the risks than those who battered each other in the 90s and 00s. But I also want these people to constantly keep in mind people like Billy Guyton, Paul Green, et al and recognize that safer just doesn't protect the sport from lawsuits, it reduces the likelihood that people die because of sport.
Make it a rule that every player does it for 30 minutes after every match, especially the forwards.inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 am First I've heard of this, but looks promising
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 0lknlv2ylo
A new brain-cooling treatment for sports-related concussion is being trialled in professional rugby union.
It is the first acute treatment for the injury able to be delivered pitchside and is being used by six clubs in the United Rugby Championship (URC).
'PolarCap' works by delivering targeted cooling to the head and neck for between 45 and 60 minutes following a concussion injury.
The treatment originates from a five-year study in professional ice hockey in Sweden, which found it had the potential to reduce long-term concussion absence.
Fucking hell!
RFU, WRU and RFL not forthcoming with medical records and documents
RFU, WRU and RFL not forthcoming with medical records and documents
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/arti ... -rugbyThe England World Cup winners Steve Thompson and Mark Regan have accused the Rugby Football Union of “suppressing their medical records” in a significant escalation of their landmark legal battle over brain injuries.
In a letter sent to the Information Commissioner’s Office they and 42 other former players have called for an “urgent investigation” into the failure of the RFU and other rugby bodies to hand over personal data that is pertinent to their case and could be crucial to their clinical treatment. The letter has also been signed by rugby league and amateur players, as well as families of dead former players.
I saw Lewis Moody at a wedding couple of months ago, thankfully lucid and fit as a fiddle. I always thought he'd have concussion related issues.
Tough to see what the right thing is here, every tackle whether it results in head contact or not creates enough whiplash to hurt the brain.
Tough to see what the right thing is here, every tackle whether it results in head contact or not creates enough whiplash to hurt the brain.
I really don't see much future for the game. I had a few concussions when I was playing, followed by a period of "migraines" which I didn't connect at the time. I am fairly sure that if I had the information available now I would have stopped playing.
There again I was fairly stupid in my mid twenties, so who knows
There again I was fairly stupid in my mid twenties, so who knows
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Interesting but not particularly joyful article about the effect of CTE and head injuries in American football.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... =longreads
One thing that really caught my eye was an image of the helmet a lad who suffered from CTE used to wear:
The caption for this reads:
If anyone's interested, the lad had a fair few issues in his early 20s with mood swings etc and sadly died in a car crash at 25 - his family donated his brain to the 'Brain Bank' at Boston Uni to help with research into CTE.
https://concussionfoundation.org/person ... -callaghan
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... =longreads
One thing that really caught my eye was an image of the helmet a lad who suffered from CTE used to wear:
The caption for this reads:
I appreciate some of that is going to be wear-and-tear from being slung into the car boot after a game, but a fair bit of that must be head-on-head.The scars on Barrett Callaghan’s helmet were a source of pride — now, they’re a painful reminder.
If anyone's interested, the lad had a fair few issues in his early 20s with mood swings etc and sadly died in a car crash at 25 - his family donated his brain to the 'Brain Bank' at Boston Uni to help with research into CTE.
https://concussionfoundation.org/person ... -callaghan
Nah, I think all of that will be from games. I played offensive tackle in high school and we saw other teams’ colours on our helmets as cool battle scars. The only source for getting paint on it is the helmet of an opponent. And coaches tend to instill in you that you treat your helmet with care… no sitting on it, let alone chucking it.inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:56 am Interesting but not particularly joyful article about the effect of CTE and head injuries in American football.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... =longreads
One thing that really caught my eye was an image of the helmet a lad who suffered from CTE used to wear:
The caption for this reads:I appreciate some of that is going to be wear-and-tear from being slung into the car boot after a game, but a fair bit of that must be head-on-head.The scars on Barrett Callaghan’s helmet were a source of pride — now, they’re a painful reminder.
If anyone's interested, the lad had a fair few issues in his early 20s with mood swings etc and sadly died in a car crash at 25 - his family donated his brain to the 'Brain Bank' at Boston Uni to help with research into CTE.
https://concussionfoundation.org/person ... -callaghan
When concussion talk shifted from severe impacts to repeated micro ones I really started to wonder if my four years on the line (maybe 30 games?) did more damage than the two rugby and one football training concussions I remember? Is it just age that leads to moments where I forget basic things like co-workers’ names?
Rucking these days at the highest level (and occasionally below) must be similar to linemen clashes in football, heading the ball in soccer? Sudden jolts, with a lot involving the head to some degree.
It's the forwards doing repeated pick-'n-goes on the try-line and stopping each other with their heads that makes me wince.
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Can't think of anyone less responsible for their decisions than a professional player who's just suffered brain trauma
Just about every single player that has spoken about the issue will tell stories about playing on knowing they shouldn’t. That wee Welsh/English guy took himself out of the game and got nothing but praise
I’m obviously not saying players should be the only one making the decisions but they have to take some responsibility
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
https://archive.ph/LqGkI
The Times & The Sunday Times
DAVID WALSH
Deluded contact sports are still not serious about player welfare
Troubling recent cases in the NFL, rugby league and rugby union underscore how the authorities are merely paying lip service to concussion and brain-
Saturday October 05 2024, 10.30pm BST, The Sunday Times
For all the talk, slogans, poster campaigns, PR waffle, contact sports still don’t get it. Players’ brains need to be better protected. Everyone involved knows this and many on the inside say this is happening. At best, they’re kidding themselves. At worst, well, you don’t want to think about that.
Last week you may have seen that the Leicester Tigers head coach, Michael Cheika, received a two-week ban, with one week suspended, for showing a lack of respect towards the independent match-day doctor after the Tigers’ game against Exeter Chiefs in the Gallagher Premiership last month. Should you wish to really know what passes for player welfare, stick with me.
Twelve or so minutes from the end of that game, Leicester’s Ollie Chessum and Solomone Kata attempted to tackle Exeter’s Immanuel Feyi-Waboso. Coming from opposite sides, their heads collided. Such was the impact, they collapsed like fallen prize fighters. Kata stayed down for a minute, having a gash treated. Remarkably, it wasn’t considered necessary to remove him for a head-injury assessment (HIA). Chessum stayed down for more than two minutes.
“Clearly, the captain there hit the ground, he won’t be playing any further part in the game. Certainly shouldn’t be, looking at the way he fell,” the TNT Sports co-commentator Ben Kay said. There was nothing controversial in what the former England lock said. Chessum had taken a significant blow to the head and fallen in a manner that suggested he had momentarily lost consciousness.
He left the field in the 69th minute for his 12-minute HIA. Who in God’s name would think of returning him to the fray for the final minute of the game? With 30 seconds remaining on the clock, Chessum returned and his first involvement was to win the lineout that led to the Tigers’ winning try. So, all good then. Not at all. Having reviewed video evidence of the clash of heads, the independent match-day doctor changed his verdict on Chessum. The player, he decided, should have been permanently removed, not sent for a HIA. This change meant Chessum would have to undergo a mandatory 12-day stand-down period, causing him to miss Leicester’s next game.
Cheika was not pleased with the independent doctor’s re-evaluation and after the game spent five minutes telling him just that. The head coach was originally charged with “offensive, disparaging, insulting and intimidatory” behaviour towards the doctor and was then banned for his lack of respect. Thirteen years ago, when head coach at Stade Français, Cheika was fined €20,000 (about £16,740) for insulting, disparaging, intimidatory or offensive comments made to match officials after a European Challenge Cup final against Harlequins.
The perplexing part is how anyone would send Chessum back on the pitch with 30 seconds remaining on the clock. The head collision was serious and it had taken him more than two minutes to get to his feet.
In this world, actions don’t match words, at least not when it comes to player welfare. Last week the Telegraph’s Jeremy Wilson reported on the pre-hearing inquest into the dementia-caused death of the former Middlesbrough footballer Bill Gates. To the hearing, the FA sent the barrister Roger Harris to try to persuade the senior coroner, Jeremy Chipperfield, that it wasn’t necessary to establish whether Gates’s death was caused by playing football
“It is not in the public interest to extend the scope of this inquest to consider the matters that were being suggested in the family’s submissions,” Harris said. “To expand it to the course of the occupation as a footballer is neither desirable, nor proportionate nor necessary.”
Let us put this gently, the coroner was not swayed by the FA’s argument and said he would investigate if Gates’s death was caused by trauma and whether that trauma was caused by playing football. Michael Rawlinson, the barrister representing Gates’s family, criticised the FA for wasting the coroner’s time. From the FA, more platitudes. “We were sad to hear of the death of Bill Gates and we wish to express our sympathy to his family. It would not be appropriate to comment on the coroner’s ongoing investigation.” Neither would it be sensible to try to defend the indefensible.
Last week an inquest into the death of the former South African rugby player Nick Koster reported how, in July last year, Koster had left a mental health hospital in Attleborough, Norfolk, having received permission to walk to nearby shops. He ended his life while away from the facility. Koster captained Cambridge University in the 2018 Varsity match and played for Bath and Bristol. It was reported that his struggle with depression began four months before his death.
There have been a significant number of deaths by suicide of former NFL, rugby league and rugby union players. It would be reassuring to think the authorities were out there, engaging sensitively with the families of the deceased and asking for permission to have the brain of their loved one examined. If chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) is a greater problem than we think, we need to know. And those who’ve lost loved ones deserve more answers than they’re getting.
Last month the Australian neuropathologist Michael Buckland revealed that he’d found CTE in the brain of the former rugby league star Keith Titmuss, 20, who died four years ago after a gruelling training session with his team, Manly Warringah Sea Eagles. An inquest this year reported that the highly rated Titmuss had died of heatstroke. His family asked for his brain to be examined and Buckland was surprised at the level of CTE he discovered.
“I was surprised that in a 20-year-old you can have a significant burden of this disease, in someone who hadn’t really exhibited any signs or symptoms,” Buckland said.
If you have the time and the inclination, seek out Reid Forgrave’s chilling 2017 story about Zac Easter in the magazine GQ, The Concussion Diaries: One High School Football Player’s Secret Struggle with CTE. Before he ended his life at 24, Easter became convinced he was suffering from CTE and in the five months before his death he kept a diary of what his life had become. He donated his brain to the Concussion Foundation and the post-mortem examination confirmed he had CTE.
Something the London-based neuroradiologist Emer MacSweeney said in a TED talk two years ago should also encourage us to think more about this problem. “Despite the 2015 landmark and multimillion NFL settlement for retired American football players with brain injury, and the 2015 Will Smith movie Concussion, the fear and reality of dementia in contact sports is not adequately known, it is not widely addressed, and it is not going away.”
Those who run our contact sports and talk endlessly about player welfare are deluding themselves while not fooling us.
Ah, our Aussie friend Cheika still making friends wherever he goes:
"He left the field in the 69th minute for his 12-minute HIA. Who in God’s name would think of returning him to the fray for the final minute of the game? With 30 seconds remaining on the clock, Chessum returned and his first involvement was to win the lineout that led to the Tigers’ winning try. So, all good then. Not at all. Having reviewed video evidence of the clash of heads, the independent match-day doctor changed his verdict on Chessum. The player, he decided, should have been permanently removed, not sent for a HIA. This change meant Chessum would have to undergo a mandatory 12-day stand-down period, causing him to miss Leicester’s next game.
Cheika was not pleased with the independent doctor’s re-evaluation and after the game spent five minutes telling him just that. The head coach was originally charged with “offensive, disparaging, insulting and intimidatory” behaviour towards the doctor and was then banned for his lack of respect. Thirteen years ago, when head coach at Stade Français, Cheika was fined €20,000 (about £16,740) for insulting, disparaging, intimidatory or offensive comments made to match officials after a European Challenge Cup final against Harlequins."
"He left the field in the 69th minute for his 12-minute HIA. Who in God’s name would think of returning him to the fray for the final minute of the game? With 30 seconds remaining on the clock, Chessum returned and his first involvement was to win the lineout that led to the Tigers’ winning try. So, all good then. Not at all. Having reviewed video evidence of the clash of heads, the independent match-day doctor changed his verdict on Chessum. The player, he decided, should have been permanently removed, not sent for a HIA. This change meant Chessum would have to undergo a mandatory 12-day stand-down period, causing him to miss Leicester’s next game.
Cheika was not pleased with the independent doctor’s re-evaluation and after the game spent five minutes telling him just that. The head coach was originally charged with “offensive, disparaging, insulting and intimidatory” behaviour towards the doctor and was then banned for his lack of respect. Thirteen years ago, when head coach at Stade Français, Cheika was fined €20,000 (about £16,740) for insulting, disparaging, intimidatory or offensive comments made to match officials after a European Challenge Cup final against Harlequins."
Sounds pretty dodgy!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... ruitmentThe man leading the multimillion-pound brain injury lawsuit representing hundreds of rugby players is under investigation from the Solicitors Regulation Authority after a former England international claimed in a submission to court that he felt pressured to lie about having dementia.
In a case this month that has raised questions over how Richard Boardman recruits players to join the lawsuit brought by his firm, Rylands Garth, against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union, the former Wasps prop Will Green was unsuccessfully sued for legal and medical costs after refusing to join the group action.
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In this, of all things, we could do without the ambulance chasersSaintK wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:39 am Sounds pretty dodgy!https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... ruitmentThe man leading the multimillion-pound brain injury lawsuit representing hundreds of rugby players is under investigation from the Solicitors Regulation Authority after a former England international claimed in a submission to court that he felt pressured to lie about having dementia.
In a case this month that has raised questions over how Richard Boardman recruits players to join the lawsuit brought by his firm, Rylands Garth, against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union, the former Wasps prop Will Green was unsuccessfully sued for legal and medical costs after refusing to join the group action.
No real idea what Boardman being investigated, charged or Indeed found against would do for the whole group action
What a guySaintK wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:39 am Sounds pretty dodgy!https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... ruitmentThe man leading the multimillion-pound brain injury lawsuit representing hundreds of rugby players is under investigation from the Solicitors Regulation Authority after a former England international claimed in a submission to court that he felt pressured to lie about having dementia.
In a case this month that has raised questions over how Richard Boardman recruits players to join the lawsuit brought by his firm, Rylands Garth, against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union, the former Wasps prop Will Green was unsuccessfully sued for legal and medical costs after refusing to join the group action.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul