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PCPhil wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:39 am

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:30 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:28 am Don't make us cheer for the virus

What does a 2250/million death rate compared to a 10/million death rate look like in human terms? Do Brits even care?

Muttonbird. I don’t follow any of the history between you and other posters but can you throttle back a bit so it remains an on topic post rather than turning into Planet Rugby shouting match.

This

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:08 pm We've managed to almost completely eliminate bad faith arguments on here while maintaining robust debate and disagreement. Stop fucking it up. Everyone is aware that you aren't looking for serious responses and are just looking to get a rise out of people.

You are othering me and others already by saying "we've managed..." Same closed off shite which was promoted at Planet Rugby.

Why is it that only British people are allowed to comment on the disgrace that is the Boris Johnson government? Britain is a powerful country and Boris' doings affects more than middle England alone.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:38 amZapp, come on.

+1

The hell You're a Saffer, right? Why the +1?

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:19 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:08 pm We've managed to almost completely eliminate bad faith arguments on here while maintaining robust debate and disagreement. Stop fucking it up. Everyone is aware that you aren't looking for serious responses and are just looking to get a rise out of people.

You are othering me and others already by saying "we've managed..." Same closed off shite which was promoted at Planet Rugby.

Why is it that only British people are allowed to comment on the disgrace that is the Boris Johnson government? Britain is a powerful country and Boris' doings affects more than middle England alone.

You're welcome to comment on the disgrace that is Boris Johnson and his corrupt government. Just stop acting like a cunt

I'm happy to move away from PR to NPR if we can stop threads being derailed in the above fashion.

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:23 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:38 amZapp, come on.

+1

The hell You're a Saffer, right? Why the +1?

Please dont bring stuff like that over here and try not to derail threads...thanks in advance

Zapp Bannigan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:37 pm

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:23 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm

+1

The hell You're a Saffer, right? Why the +1?

Please dont bring stuff like that over here and try not to derail threads...thanks in advance

Certainly Zapp. In my defence Slick has a massive hard on for me and I had to make a point of resisting direct calls by him to you for my banning after very small activity on my part.

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:58 pm Certainly Zapp. In my defence Slick has a massive hard on for me and I had to make a point of resisting direct calls by him to you for my banning after very small activity on my part.

Stay on topic or fuck off back PR.

Whaaaat? The topic is literally, "Stop voting for fucking Tories". It's the thread title, numb-nuts.

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:58 pm

Zapp Bannigan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:37 pm

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:23 pm The hell You're a Saffer, right? Why the +1?

Please dont bring stuff like that over here and try not to derail threads...thanks in advance

Certainly Zapp. In my defence Slick has a massive hard on for me and I had to make a point of resisting direct calls by him to you for my banning after very small activity on my part.

Yup, don’t see the point in even allowing “small activity” from you because it’s the same teenager in a dark room wanking over his shite trolling stuff every time. You sad cunt.

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:19 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:08 pm We've managed to almost completely eliminate bad faith arguments on here while maintaining robust debate and disagreement. Stop fucking it up. Everyone is aware that you aren't looking for serious responses and are just looking to get a rise out of people.

You are othering me and others already by saying "we've managed..." Same closed off shite which was promoted at Planet Rugby.

Why is it that only British people are allowed to comment on the disgrace that is the Boris Johnson government? Britain is a powerful country and Boris' doings affects more than middle England alone.

It's the collective we. As in the regular posters on this board who've formed the community and the moderation team who have done good work in making sure things stay sane.

As for the other thing, there's many non-British people commenting on Boris Johnson. There's never been any attempt to prevent it. Everyone is fully entitled to an opinion on UK politics and fully entitled to express that opinion. It is expected, however, that some measure of good faith arguments be presented rather than just attempts to attack groups of posters for shits and giggles.

You know all this, of course. That's what I mean by bad faith posting. By all means, give Boris shit. Give people who voted for him shit. Give people defending him shit. Pretending that people who didn't vote for him and don't support him and are deeply critical of this government are responsible for Boris and/or the state of our political system, which by its very nature prevents us from being able to do much about it, is disingenuous bullshit. Be part of the discussion. Don't make yourself the discussion.

If you want people to actually engage with you then drop the act, it's not fooling anyone. If you just want a short-lived flameout where you go down yelling at everyone, carry on I guess.

So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Muttonbird multi alert!

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Nope, next week I think

Funny career path hers. Nothing odd about it at all

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:33 pm

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Muttonbird multi alert!

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Nope, next week I think

Funny career path hers. Nothing odd about it at all

I know nothing about her other than her name, what's funny bout her career path?

Civil servant until the late 80s. Then took a decade career break to run a pub in newry. Then rejoined the civil service and straight into a job in the cabinet office.

Definitely nothing suspicious there

sturginho wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:46 pm

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Nope, next week I think

Funny career path hers. Nothing odd about it at all

I know nothing about her other than her name, what's funny bout her career path?

Rose through the ranks in the civil service then weirdly spent time in NI as a "pub landlady" before coming back to a role in the Cabinet Office. The implication being that her landlady role was more of a security services cover story.

SO glad we do not really frack gas - I mean co2 released from US extracted gas doesn't count right?


Also glad we could support the hard pressed US oil and gas industry instead of producing it ourselves.

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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:49 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:46 pm

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm Nope, next week I think

Funny career path hers. Nothing odd about it at all

I know nothing about her other than her name, what's funny bout her career path?

Rose through the ranks in the civil service then weirdly spent time in NI as a "pub landlady" before coming back to a role in the Cabinet Office. The implication being that her landlady role was more of a security services cover story.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:49 pm Civil servant until the late 80s. Then took a decade career break to run a pub in newry. Then rejoined the civil service and straight into a job in the cabinet office.

Definitely nothing suspicious there

Weird

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm

The sun god wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:27 pm So when is this ex-pub landlady report due ?..... I thought it was today.

Nope, next week I think

Funny career path hers. Nothing odd about it at all

Very odd indeed but I guess it takes all sorts.

Anyone else calls me Muttonbird....... I will hunt you down like a dog.

Bullseye from Rory Stewart in the FT

Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being.

But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment.

Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:32 pm Bullseye from Rory Stewart in the FT

Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being.

But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment.

Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference

Time so somebody said that, they can’t pretend they didn’t know what they were getting.

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:32 pm Bullseye from Rory Stewart in the FT

Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being.

But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment.

Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference

I have loads of time for Rory Stewart. Would have made a good pm

I do think Boris was needed for Brexit. It was always going to be damaging, it was always going to unpopular (there was never a maj for Singapore on Thames or 350m PW to the NHS). Don't know how many other PMs could push something like that through. You need someone totally shameless and totally lost on the details.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:49 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:32 pm Bullseye from Rory Stewart in the FT

Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being.

But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment.

Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference

I have loads of time for Rory Stewart. Would have made a good pm

He’s certainly a good guy. And it shows what a shit show politics is that he is too good to ever be a PM

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:49 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:32 pm Bullseye from Rory Stewart in the FT

Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being.

But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment.

Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.

MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference

I have loads of time for Rory Stewart. Would have made a good pm

Yep, and a great piece by him there.

In the modern world he does seem closer to Lib Dem than Conservative, but that isn't going to get anyone into No10 (and that says plenty about British politics).

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:55 pm
SO glad we do not really frack gas - I mean co2 released from US extracted gas doesn't count right?


Also glad we could support the hard pressed US oil and gas industry instead of producing it ourselves.

You already have the water companies destroying your rivers, & coast line with raw sewage; I don't think you really want fracking to add yet more poison to your water !

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:51 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:55 pm
SO glad we do not really frack gas - I mean co2 released from US extracted gas doesn't count right?


Also glad we could support the hard pressed US oil and gas industry instead of producing it ourselves.

You already have the water companies destroying your rivers, & coast line with raw sewage; I don't think you really want fracking to add yet more poison to your water !

Or we could have, you know, spent the last decade fixing up our rotten housing stock and hitting developers with a stick so we didn't have the leakiest houses in Europe, and so pay through the nose many times over.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:51 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:51 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:55 pm
SO glad we do not really frack gas - I mean co2 released from US extracted gas doesn't count right?


Also glad we could support the hard pressed US oil and gas industry instead of producing it ourselves.

You already have the water companies destroying your rivers, & coast line with raw sewage; I don't think you really want fracking to add yet more poison to your water !

Or we could have, you know, spent the last decade fixing up our rotten housing stock and hitting developers with a stick so we didn't have the leakiest houses in Europe, and so pay through the nose many times over.

Instead the Tories are attacking one of the larger suppliers of insulation in the UK; & presecuting them; for the failings of their own shocking building standards; & the council they ran; for putting in totally unsuitable insulation on Grenfell

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:00 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:51 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:51 pm

You already have the water companies destroying your rivers, & coast line with raw sewage; I don't think you really want fracking to add yet more poison to your water !

Or we could have, you know, spent the last decade fixing up our rotten housing stock and hitting developers with a stick so we didn't have the leakiest houses in Europe, and so pay through the nose many times over.

Instead the Tories are attacking one of the larger suppliers of insulation in the UK; & presecuting them; for the failings of their own shocking building standards; & the council they ran; for putting in totally unsuitable insulation on Grenfell

It really is like dealing with the worst short sighted reactionary management clique. Lets cost cut here and there and everywhere. Oh dear it has gone wrong. I don't know why.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:24 pm I do think Boris was needed for Brexit. It was always going to be damaging, it was always going to unpopular (there was never a maj for Singapore on Thames or 350m PW to the NHS). Don't know how many other PMs could push something like that through. You need someone totally shameless and totally lost on the details.

And with the impending cost of living crisis over food and energy bills he still makes an expendable scapegoat pro tem.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:09 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:24 pm I do think Boris was needed for Brexit. It was always going to be damaging, it was always going to unpopular (there was never a maj for Singapore on Thames or 350m PW to the NHS). Don't know how many other PMs could push something like that through. You need someone totally shameless and totally lost on the details.

And with the impending cost of living crisis over food and energy bills he still makes an expendable scapegoat pro tem.

i saw the Tory's are down to 32% and Labour up to 42%. Got to hope that the country won't be fooled by a change of leader.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:20 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:09 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:24 pm I do think Boris was needed for Brexit. It was always going to be damaging, it was always going to unpopular (there was never a maj for Singapore on Thames or 350m PW to the NHS). Don't know how many other PMs could push something like that through. You need someone totally shameless and totally lost on the details.

And with the impending cost of living crisis over food and energy bills he still makes an expendable scapegoat pro tem.

i saw the Tory's are down to 32% and Labour up to 42%. Got to hope that the country won't be fooled by a change of leader.

Lets hope that Labour realise that they shouldn't bother in areas where the Lim Dems can over turn a Tory majority.
Big push for a coalition.

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:31 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:20 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:09 pm

And with the impending cost of living crisis over food and energy bills he still makes an expendable scapegoat pro tem.

i saw the Tory's are down to 32% and Labour up to 42%. Got to hope that the country won't be fooled by a change of leader.

Lets hope that Labour realise that they shouldn't bother in areas where the Lim Dems can over turn a Tory majority.
Big push for a coalition.

if they meet now; before the GE gets called, & the pressures off; they can agree some non-compete constituencies; & maybe criteria, for others where both are technically in with a shout

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:38 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:31 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:20 pm

i saw the Tory's are down to 32% and Labour up to 42%. Got to hope that the country won't be fooled by a change of leader.

Lets hope that Labour realise that they shouldn't bother in areas where the Lim Dems can over turn a Tory majority.
Big push for a coalition.

if they meet now; before the GE gets called, & the pressures off; they can agree some non-compete constituencies; & maybe criteria, for others where both are technically in with a shout

Fingers crossed.

Oh and William Wragg is meeting the police on Monday

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:38 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:31 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:20 pm

i saw the Tory's are down to 32% and Labour up to 42%. Got to hope that the country won't be fooled by a change of leader.

Lets hope that Labour realise that they shouldn't bother in areas where the Lim Dems can over turn a Tory majority.
Big push for a coalition.

if they meet now; before the GE gets called, & the pressures off; they can agree some non-compete constituencies; & maybe criteria, for others where both are technically in with a shout

Can't see that informally being an issue with Starmer and Davey.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:38 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:31 pm
Lets hope that Labour realise that they shouldn't bother in areas where the Lim Dems can over turn a Tory majority.
Big push for a coalition.

if they meet now; before the GE gets called, & the pressures off; they can agree some non-compete constituencies; & maybe criteria, for others where both are technically in with a shout

Can't see that informally being an issue with Starmer and Davey.

Hope so. Expecially if it means my mucker Sefton votes Lib Dem.

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:27 pm

petej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:38 pm

if they meet now; before the GE gets called, & the pressures off; they can agree some non-compete constituencies; & maybe criteria, for others where both are technically in with a shout

Can't see that informally being an issue with Starmer and Davey.

Hope so. Expecially if it means my mucker Sefton votes Lib Dem.

Lib Dems were 3rd here, Labour are the natural challengers now.

In fact it wasn’t even close, it’s a two horse race. Vote Labour to get that twat Moore out.