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Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Schools update:
* Most secondary school kids will get extra week off school after Xmas
* These kids will be online learning
* Mass testing will be rolled out
* All primary school kids, exam years and vulnerable / key worker kids back in class for start of term

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:00 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:00 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:21 pm 'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:37 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:04 am

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:47 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:00 am


In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

Christ alive. He's so addicted to replying and being contrary that he point blank refuses to "read, comprehend, then post".

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:54 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:00 am

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:37 am

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

I don't think they are easily led imbeciles but there is definately a "type" that has these opinions. People who think they are above it, entitled, ego driven, that type. And I include a few of my close friends and brother in law in that group.

Maybe, but I don’t feel entitled and I am definitely obeying lockdown I just am not sure it is working how it’s meant to. I suspect to be successful it needs to be total barring food shops and I just don’t think that is viable in a non totalitarian state. We really have to learn to live with it or hope the efficacy rates of vaccines are correct or their will be economic meltdown.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:21 pm 'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:26 pm Hearing about lots of testing centres suddenly rammed. I presume folk getting tested for the Christmas knees up.

People are cunts. Think we are just about to cancel our plans and stay at home

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:40 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:47 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am

You don't read so good, do you?

Christ alive. He's so addicted to replying and being contrary that he point blank refuses to "read, comprehend, then post".

Oh, I did miss the tense. It hasn’t and won’t kill 10’s of thousands of healthy people either.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:21 pm 'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:55 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:21 pm 'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

It's not going to be 140,000 a week though. It was always going to start relatively slowly and then scale up - the logistics of working with this vaccine in particular demanded that. Once the GP centres are all up and running they will be doing more than twice that number per day, but if we had that all up and running immediately we'd have already run out of the initial delivery. Even by the end of the month we'll only have recieved 4 million doses

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:21 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:55 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm


Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

It's not going to be 140,000 a week though. It was always going to start relatively slowly and then scale up - the logistics of working with this vaccine in particular demanded that. Once the GP centres are all up and running they will be doing more than twice that number per day, but if we had that all up and running immediately we'd have already run out of the initial delivery. Even by the end of the month we'll only have recieved 4 million doses

If the whole policy of lockdowns until vaccine was correct at least be ready to administer the vaccine. It’s another example of failure.

All those loves being destroyed through the policy deserve better.

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:09 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:41 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:09 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:00 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:49 pm Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas.

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:49 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:00 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

I can see why some get annoyed. Some areas in Manchester and Lancs have asked to be 2 and not 3 and that was refused. Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas. Too complex to do otherwise supposedly but now they're chopping up counties. Who lives in Waverley then?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:17 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:49 pm Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas.

Everyone in Kent is a lying scumbag who has defied the lockdown rules since March. Should be set at Tier 4 / napalm the whole county.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:19 pm
Ymx of this parish and Jeremy Hunt MP Chairman of the Parliamentary Health Committee Though to be fair he probably didn't know anything about it until we did

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:41 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:09 pm

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

There's only a very slim chance that's a correct piece of analysis

frodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:43 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:41 pm


Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

There's only a very slim chance that's a correct piece of analysis

Are you saying there'll still be lockdowns after the vaccine is given to the higher risk groups

frodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:43 pm
Are you saying there'll still be lockdowns after the vaccine is given to the higher risk groups

The number of Covid-19 patients in hospital in eastern England is now higher than levels recorded at the peak of the first wave of the virus, PA Media reports. A total of 1,734 hospital patients with confirmed Covid-19 were reported on 16 December. During the first wave, the number of patients in eastern England peaked at 1,679 on 12 April.
This means the first-wave peak of Covid-19 patients has now been surpassed in three of the seven NHS regions in England, PA Media reports. The others are the north-west and the north-east/Yorkshire.

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:47 pm This really isn't going very well

The number of Covid-19 patients in hospital in eastern England is now higher than levels recorded at the peak of the first wave of the virus, PA Media reports. A total of 1,734 hospital patients with confirmed Covid-19 were reported on 16 December. During the first wave, the number of patients in eastern England peaked at 1,679 on 12 April.
This means the first-wave peak of Covid-19 patients has now been surpassed in three of the seven NHS regions in England, PA Media reports. The others are the north-west and the north-east/Yorkshire.

Post Christmas carnage to come

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:48 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

Thank you for the explanation. Seems sensible. Thought the hoo haaa regarding the vaccine should have been dialed down then.

Looks like Furlough (just another 30 billion for the grand kids to pay back) extended to April.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:48 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

Thank you for the explanation. Seems sensible. Thought the hoo haaa regarding the vaccine should have been dialed down then.

Looks like Furlough (just another 30 billion for the grand kids to pay back) extended to April.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:09 pm I'm just waiting for the first reports that some GP surgery (probably in Liverpool or Blackburn) fucked up the 1st stage vaccines and all their patients have to come back again pronto!

frodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:09 pm I'm just waiting for the first reports that some GP surgery (probably in Liverpool or Blackburn) fucked up the 1st stage vaccines and all their patients have to come back again pronto!

Any logic in those suggestions