President Biden and US politics catchall
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Insane_Homer
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Kissinger gone. Good Riddance.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Must admit, I didn't realise there was this much hate for him
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
You are far too kind to him.
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Uncle fester
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Could do with a separate thread, especially for when convulted gets going.
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Rhubarb & Custard
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Tellingly died during a ceasefire
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Marylandolorian
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I’ve not watched political debates for years but I’ll make an exception for this one, it should be fun.
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Guy Smiley
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Interesting… your link takes me straight to the ‘cookies’ permissions link with no way of knowing which site it belongs to.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:45 pm I’ve not watched political debates for years but I’ll make an exception for this one, it should be fun.
It’s NPR, for those in the same boat. A debate between Newsome and Desantis. That’s all quoting the post will tell me.
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Marylandolorian
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I copied & pasted , long readGuy Smiley wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:46 pmInteresting… your link takes me straight to the ‘cookies’ permissions link with no way of knowing which site it belongs to.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:45 pm I’ve not watched political debates for years but I’ll make an exception for this one, it should be fun.
https://www.npr.org
It’s NPR, for those in the same boat. A debate between Newsome and Desantis. That’s all quoting the post will tell me.
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California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom is not currently running for president. But that's not stopping him from facing off in a debate Thursday evening with a governor who is waging a 2024 presidential campaign: Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis.
It's the culmination of a long standing feud between the two men. With the debate airing in primetime at 9 p.m. EST on Fox News Channel, it will give them both a platform to appear presidential, even though Newsom has sworn, again and again, that he's simply out there helping Democrats keep the White House for President Biden.
A supporting role that could turn into a leading act
But in recent months, Newsom has repeatedly made forays into both national and foreign affairs.
Last month, he traveled to both Israel and China to meet with top leaders. This spring, Newsom took his family on a tour of Southern red states. He's also run TV ads in Florida and Washington, D.C., attacking Florida's new abortion law, which would ban abortions after six weeks.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom (R) is interviewed by Sean Hannity in the spin room following the Fox Business Republican Primary Debate in Simi Valley, Calif. on September 27, 2023.
Mario Tama/Getty Images
And in September, he showed up in the spin room at the GOP presidential debate in Simi Valley, California to spar with Sean Hannity on Hannity's Fox News show.
"He's become the face of the loyal opposition," said Democratic political strategist Dane Strother, who works on races across the country. "When he went to the Republican debate he was, in essence, the Democratic response."
Strother is an outspoken fan of Newsom who predicts that the California governor "will be president. The only question is when." He said at this point, it's all an upside for Newsom as he travels around being one of Biden's top surrogates and positioning himself for an eventual run.
"It's like getting in the right place for a rebound on a basketball court. You're just waiting for the ball to come. You're getting in the right place," Strother said. "You know, does that get under the skin of the Biden people? I don't think so, because Gavin has been so overboard in support of the president."
California Gov. Gavin Newsom greets President Biden during a campaign event at Long Beach City College in Long Beach, Calif., on Sept. 13, 2021.
Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images
Newsom's enthusiastic support for Biden does seem to know no bounds. Again and again, he demurs when asked about his own White House ambitions, like when he appeared on Chris Cuomo's News Nation show in September and was pressed on the issue.
"I have deep respect, reverence for Joe Biden as a person — his character, his decency and his capacity to do great things," Newsom said. "That's why I am not worthy of that conversation. This guy deserves it and we as members of his party deserve to have his back."
Newsom could help Biden with progressive voters
Those close to Newsom say that the governor is in constant contact with Biden's inner circle and has sought the president's blessing before undertaking high profile events, like the China trip. But Newsom's youth (he's 56, to Biden's 81) has raised some questions about whether his visibility could draw a negative contrast with the president.
Robin Swanson, a political consultant in California, said while Newsom clearly is taking the steps to prepare for an eventual White House run, she doesn't think the president's campaign is worried about Newsom eclipsing Biden.
In this photo released by Office of the Governor of California, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, left, meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, last month.
Office of the Governor of California via AP
Rather, Swanson thinks the Biden campaign likely sees him as an asset who can speak directly to a certain type of voter.
"The president has to appeal to a pretty broad audience," she said. "And at the moment, Governor Newsom brings you ... a state of almost 40 million people. And he can talk about really progressive policies that President Biden might not be able to talk about right now."
Thad Kousser, a political science professor at UC San Diego, agreed, noting that Newsom has made himself a spokesman for progressive values, from abortion access to LGBTQ rights. That's particularly important, he said, since some data and polls are showing that Biden is weaker with young voters and voters of color who may be more excited by a more unabashedly liberal message.
"This is what a proxy does for you, right? A proxy can rally the base and energize your base without worrying about turning off the middle," Kousser said. "His base is not yet — is not excited and solidly behind him. And so Joe Biden will welcome anything that keeps progressives, younger voters in the fold."
Gavin Newsom has to walk the line of running a shadow campaign while being President Biden's biggest cheerleader. And the funny thing is, if anyone understands that and all of the politics behind that, it's Joe Biden. That was a man who waited in the wings for a very long time.
Robin Swanson, political consultant
Swanson also pointed out that Biden knows what it's like to be surrogate.
"Gavin Newsom has to walk the line of running a shadow campaign while being President Biden's biggest cheerleader. And the funny thing is, if anyone understands that and all of the politics behind that, it's Joe Biden. That was a man who waited in the wings for a very long time," she said.
President Biden shakes hands with California Gov. Gavin Newsom as they visit the Lucy Evans Baylands Nature Interpretive Center and Preserve in Palo Alto, Calif. on June 19.
Susan Walsh/AP
On the Republican side, DeSantis is also positioning himself as the standard bearer of conservative values — the mirror image of Newsom on issues like abortion and LGBTQ rights.
That means at this matchup — unlike most presidential debates — both could come out as winners, said Salena Zito, a national political reporter at the conservative Washington Examiner and columnist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
"I think it's smart for both Newsom and DeSantis to do this debate. It's in the spirit of the Lincoln-Douglas debates," she said, which took place when both men were competing not for the presidency but for the U.S. Senate. "Both men are the future of their parties. Both men run prosperous, successful states. ... They could both walk out of this and both gain support."
California Gov. Gavin Newsom unveils his 2022-2023 state budget revision during a news conference in Sacramento, Calif., on May 13, 2022.
Rich Pedroncelli/AP
Zito believes Newsom is playing a long game, by continually showing up on Fox News and in red and purple states. That could lead to some swing voters considering him — whenever he's on the ballot.
"A good politician goes there. In other words, they show up and they show up in places where you least expect them to show up," she said. "There are going to be people that look at that and say, you know what? I appreciate that."
It's the culmination of a long standing feud between the two men. With the debate airing in primetime at 9 p.m. EST on Fox News Channel, it will give them both a platform to appear presidential, even though Newsom has sworn, again and again, that he's simply out there helping Democrats keep the White House for President Biden.
A supporting role that could turn into a leading act
But in recent months, Newsom has repeatedly made forays into both national and foreign affairs.
Last month, he traveled to both Israel and China to meet with top leaders. This spring, Newsom took his family on a tour of Southern red states. He's also run TV ads in Florida and Washington, D.C., attacking Florida's new abortion law, which would ban abortions after six weeks.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom (R) is interviewed by Sean Hannity in the spin room following the Fox Business Republican Primary Debate in Simi Valley, Calif. on September 27, 2023.
Mario Tama/Getty Images
And in September, he showed up in the spin room at the GOP presidential debate in Simi Valley, California to spar with Sean Hannity on Hannity's Fox News show.
"He's become the face of the loyal opposition," said Democratic political strategist Dane Strother, who works on races across the country. "When he went to the Republican debate he was, in essence, the Democratic response."
Strother is an outspoken fan of Newsom who predicts that the California governor "will be president. The only question is when." He said at this point, it's all an upside for Newsom as he travels around being one of Biden's top surrogates and positioning himself for an eventual run.
"It's like getting in the right place for a rebound on a basketball court. You're just waiting for the ball to come. You're getting in the right place," Strother said. "You know, does that get under the skin of the Biden people? I don't think so, because Gavin has been so overboard in support of the president."
California Gov. Gavin Newsom greets President Biden during a campaign event at Long Beach City College in Long Beach, Calif., on Sept. 13, 2021.
Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images
Newsom's enthusiastic support for Biden does seem to know no bounds. Again and again, he demurs when asked about his own White House ambitions, like when he appeared on Chris Cuomo's News Nation show in September and was pressed on the issue.
"I have deep respect, reverence for Joe Biden as a person — his character, his decency and his capacity to do great things," Newsom said. "That's why I am not worthy of that conversation. This guy deserves it and we as members of his party deserve to have his back."
Newsom could help Biden with progressive voters
Those close to Newsom say that the governor is in constant contact with Biden's inner circle and has sought the president's blessing before undertaking high profile events, like the China trip. But Newsom's youth (he's 56, to Biden's 81) has raised some questions about whether his visibility could draw a negative contrast with the president.
Robin Swanson, a political consultant in California, said while Newsom clearly is taking the steps to prepare for an eventual White House run, she doesn't think the president's campaign is worried about Newsom eclipsing Biden.
In this photo released by Office of the Governor of California, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, left, meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, last month.
Office of the Governor of California via AP
Rather, Swanson thinks the Biden campaign likely sees him as an asset who can speak directly to a certain type of voter.
"The president has to appeal to a pretty broad audience," she said. "And at the moment, Governor Newsom brings you ... a state of almost 40 million people. And he can talk about really progressive policies that President Biden might not be able to talk about right now."
Thad Kousser, a political science professor at UC San Diego, agreed, noting that Newsom has made himself a spokesman for progressive values, from abortion access to LGBTQ rights. That's particularly important, he said, since some data and polls are showing that Biden is weaker with young voters and voters of color who may be more excited by a more unabashedly liberal message.
"This is what a proxy does for you, right? A proxy can rally the base and energize your base without worrying about turning off the middle," Kousser said. "His base is not yet — is not excited and solidly behind him. And so Joe Biden will welcome anything that keeps progressives, younger voters in the fold."
Gavin Newsom has to walk the line of running a shadow campaign while being President Biden's biggest cheerleader. And the funny thing is, if anyone understands that and all of the politics behind that, it's Joe Biden. That was a man who waited in the wings for a very long time.
Robin Swanson, political consultant
Swanson also pointed out that Biden knows what it's like to be surrogate.
"Gavin Newsom has to walk the line of running a shadow campaign while being President Biden's biggest cheerleader. And the funny thing is, if anyone understands that and all of the politics behind that, it's Joe Biden. That was a man who waited in the wings for a very long time," she said.
President Biden shakes hands with California Gov. Gavin Newsom as they visit the Lucy Evans Baylands Nature Interpretive Center and Preserve in Palo Alto, Calif. on June 19.
Susan Walsh/AP
On the Republican side, DeSantis is also positioning himself as the standard bearer of conservative values — the mirror image of Newsom on issues like abortion and LGBTQ rights.
That means at this matchup — unlike most presidential debates — both could come out as winners, said Salena Zito, a national political reporter at the conservative Washington Examiner and columnist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
"I think it's smart for both Newsom and DeSantis to do this debate. It's in the spirit of the Lincoln-Douglas debates," she said, which took place when both men were competing not for the presidency but for the U.S. Senate. "Both men are the future of their parties. Both men run prosperous, successful states. ... They could both walk out of this and both gain support."
California Gov. Gavin Newsom unveils his 2022-2023 state budget revision during a news conference in Sacramento, Calif., on May 13, 2022.
Rich Pedroncelli/AP
Zito believes Newsom is playing a long game, by continually showing up on Fox News and in red and purple states. That could lead to some swing voters considering him — whenever he's on the ballot.
"A good politician goes there. In other words, they show up and they show up in places where you least expect them to show up," she said. "There are going to be people that look at that and say, you know what? I appreciate that."
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fishfoodie
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Santos the dog killer is gone !
Despite the cowardice of the GOP Leadership, 105 Republicans vote to kick him out
Despite the cowardice of the GOP Leadership, 105 Republicans vote to kick him out
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fishfoodie
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The news that Chesbro is cooperating with a number of States involved in the "Fake Electors" crime, will now mean he's going to have a bunch more State charges to face.
The NY Fraud case is a dumpster fire, & so far the witnesses his lawyers have been calling, have just made things worse for him, & now there's stuff coming out about him attempting to sneak money out of the NY businesses even thought there's supposed to be a former Judge acting as monitor on his companies exactly to prevent that.
A few other points as well didn't go his way the last couple of days:
1. an appeals court stated unanimously that Trump would have to face a civil case on Jan 6 brought by 10 Dems. That is, he has another lawsuit to fight.
2. his previous attorney in the classified docs case has sworn that she made it very clear and Trump acknowledged understanding that keeping any more docs was illegal. Some 3 months before the docs were seized. The classified docs case is directly Trump, nobody in between.
1. an appeals court stated unanimously that Trump would have to face a civil case on Jan 6 brought by 10 Dems. That is, he has another lawsuit to fight.
2. his previous attorney in the classified docs case has sworn that she made it very clear and Trump acknowledged understanding that keeping any more docs was illegal. Some 3 months before the docs were seized. The classified docs case is directly Trump, nobody in between.
You lying orange cunt. You know that's not her account, it was dredged up by right wing, Alex Jones co conspirator nutjob Laura Loomer, and you know it's bullshit..Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Judge Engoron’s Wife deleted her account yesterday, because what she said, in any other Court in the Nation, would call for an immediate Mistrial with sanctions against the Judge and the Attorney General. We demand to see her account before it was deleted, and all other Family Members likewise. Judge Engoron is a Trump Hater and Puppet for Letitia James, all wrapped up in one!
Defamation case incoming..
https://x.com/NiallStanage/status/17295 ... 50055?s=20
De Niro got right under that orange skin..
De Niro got right under that orange skin..
Followed by..Robert De Niro, whose acting talents have greatly diminished, with his reputation now shot, must even use a teleprompter for his foul and disgusting language, so disrespectful to our Country. He has become unwatchable both in movies, and with the FOOLS that destroyed the Academy Awards, bringing them from one of the top shows in the Country to a Low Rated afterthought. De Niro should focus on his life, which is a mess, rather than the lives of others. He has become a total loser, as the World watches, waits, and laughs!
Robert De Niro is a “mental midget” whose mind is shot, and whose life is a total train wreck. Very much like Crooked Joe Biden, he can’t put two sentences together. The good news is that this crude and very stupid “animal” has lost all credibility!
What a weird world we live inTB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:24 pm https://x.com/NiallStanage/status/17295 ... 50055?s=20
De Niro got right under that orange skin..
Followed by..Robert De Niro, whose acting talents have greatly diminished, with his reputation now shot, must even use a teleprompter for his foul and disgusting language, so disrespectful to our Country. He has become unwatchable both in movies, and with the FOOLS that destroyed the Academy Awards, bringing them from one of the top shows in the Country to a Low Rated afterthought. De Niro should focus on his life, which is a mess, rather than the lives of others. He has become a total loser, as the World watches, waits, and laughs!
Robert De Niro is a “mental midget” whose mind is shot, and whose life is a total train wreck. Very much like Crooked Joe Biden, he can’t put two sentences together. The good news is that this crude and very stupid “animal” has lost all credibility!
That is them breaking cover at last. It has been going on since Nixon, the conservatives have had a plan to get "their guys" into positions of power and influence since then, they included the judiciary, the media and political positions.
I hadn't heard of project 25 until now, though
https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/
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fishfoodie
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It finally seems to be breaking thru to the Traitor & his moron lawyers that his defense witnesses are doing as much damage as the prosecutions ones, & they've pull Eric from the dance card, & now it's just an "expert" witness, & the Traitor himself in their list of witnesses, before the trial is done.
What odds will you you give me that the Traitor is withdrawn too ?, 1,000,000,000 / 1 ???
What odds will you you give me that the Traitor is withdrawn too ?, 1,000,000,000 / 1 ???
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fishfoodie
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Santos Gooooooone.
McCarthy Gooooooooing.
Gaetz Goooooooone (Probably)
There's another GOP Rep off to head a University, which will probably not teach Evolution, so that's a lot of the razor thin GOP majority under threat, & all the momentum is going in the Dems direction, thanks in large part to the knuckle draggers reversing Row V Wade
McCarthy Gooooooooing.
Gaetz Goooooooone (Probably)
There's another GOP Rep off to head a University, which will probably not teach Evolution, so that's a lot of the razor thin GOP majority under threat, & all the momentum is going in the Dems direction, thanks in large part to the knuckle draggers reversing Row V Wade
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Thor Sedan
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Holy sweet mother of god......just watched the final GOP debate.
It is telling that 4 people can stand up on a stage and I come away from the process thinking that I'd like to have a drink with Chris Christie.......and the fact that the cult is so entrenched that the orange buffoon is still ahead.
It is telling that 4 people can stand up on a stage and I come away from the process thinking that I'd like to have a drink with Chris Christie.......and the fact that the cult is so entrenched that the orange buffoon is still ahead.
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Rhubarb & Custard
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If he saw that at auction he'd probably buy it all the same. Not with his own money, maybe some charity money that was to be wasted on saving children's lives
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fishfoodie
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As predicted the; gutless; chickenshit; bullying; traitorous; orange blowhard, is no longer stupid enough to get on the stand & perjure himself again, or probably just break his gag order again, & risk a trip to the cells.
So now it's just down to the Judge to decide on how much money the failed businessman & his crime syndicate have to hand over.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-tru ... on-monday/Former President Donald Trump has decided he will not testify as planned on Monday in his New York civil fraud trial.
Trump was previously called to testify on Nov. 6 by lawyers for New York Attorney General Letitia James, whose office has accused him, two of his sons and their company of a decade-long fraud scheme designed to benefit themselves by hundreds of millions by getting unusually good terms on loans and insurance. That day, he clashed with the judge, Arthur Engoron, while answering many questions with long, rambling diatribes.
He was expected to be his team's final witness. The state has indicated it intends to call a pair of witnesses to rebut testimony by real estate and accounting experts called in Trump's defense.
His attorney, Christopher Kise, said in a statement that the former president had "already testified" and "there is really nothing more to say to a Judge who has imposed an unconstitutional gag order and thus far appears to have ignored President Trump's testimony and that of everyone else involved in the complex financial transactions at issue in the case."
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So now it's just down to the Judge to decide on how much money the failed businessman & his crime syndicate have to hand over.
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fishfoodie
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Looks like Jack Smith has decided to stop letting the Traitor fuck around with trial schedules, & is determined to get the Jan 6h Trial done before the Election, & the first big step is to destroy the notion that a President has immunity in any action, while they're President.
This shouldn't even be a discussion, as if it were possible, Nixon wouldn't have resigned, & had to be pardoned by Ford !
So he's asking the SCOTUS to rule on it immediately, so it doesn't get kicked around in lower courts for months.
... in other news, it sounds like Rudy turned up to court in Georgia loaded; which is very Rudy. This is after the Judge tore his lawyer a new asshole, after Rudy was a no-show for the last court date he was supposed to turn up !
This shouldn't even be a discussion, as if it were possible, Nixon wouldn't have resigned, & had to be pardoned by Ford !
So he's asking the SCOTUS to rule on it immediately, so it doesn't get kicked around in lower courts for months.
... in other news, it sounds like Rudy turned up to court in Georgia loaded; which is very Rudy. This is after the Judge tore his lawyer a new asshole, after Rudy was a no-show for the last court date he was supposed to turn up !
If the Supreme Court rules that a President or Ex-President has immunity, then guess what that means also for President Biden. If they say yes, any and all impeachment proceedings and hearings on President Biden come to an end.
Zzziiing...