NPR

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:01 pm Well, shit. 60/4 in the 13th. Bugger.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:49 pm On the bright side, we're up with the run rate.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:16 pm And that's that.

TBF, I don't think anyone is beating Sri Lanka in these qualifiers.

Now Scotland must beat the three teams from the other group - if they do, they qualify, but all 3 will be difficult; perhaps only the Windies might be easy if they're already out by the time Scotland plays them. But both Zim and NL will be seeing the Scotland match as a must win and both will be full of confidence given their campaigns so far.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:30 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:25 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:16 am Report into discrimination in English cricket is out, and thus far few surprises. Even Colin Graves accepts there’s racism in cricket so no shocks at their findings.

As for their conclusions, a mixed bag of very sensible and pie in the sky stuff. ‘Revive black cricket’ isn’t a recommendation any more than ‘England should win the world cup’. Equal pay for men and women in the pro game seems unachievable without either torching the men’s game or cutting other programmes significantly to subsidise the women’s game.

Just heard a woman on the radio had something to do with the report, describe English cricket as Institutionally racist and riddled with inequalities because of its over reliance on Public Schools.

Cindy Butts, the Chair of the committee looking into this. I worked with her last year on a project. She's outspoken but fair, and not one given to hyperbole. So for her to use the strong words she has, it must be absolutely grim.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:19 pm

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:30 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:25 am

Just heard a woman on the radio had something to do with the report, describe English cricket as Institutionally racist and riddled with inequalities because of its over reliance on Public Schools.

Cindy Butts, the Chair of the committee looking into this. I worked with her last year on a project. She's outspoken but fair, and not one given to hyperbole. So for her to use the strong words she has, it must be absolutely grim.

That there’s racism and that your chances are greatly improved by going to public school are facts of life, so it would have been a shock if cricket was somehow exempt from them.
Similarly, I was asked a while back why cricket seems to have such a problem with racism and the simpler answer I gave and stand by is that it is the only traditional British team sport where c.30% of participants are south asian, the majority of those being Muslim. Again, poor integration with the Muslim community is a societal issue, the only reason you don’t get this in rugby is that there are almost no Muslims playing rugby.

With all that said, and I’ve already been very clear there’s a lot wrong in cricket, ‘rotten’ and institutionally racist just does not describe the diverse club and league structure I am a part of and I know I’m far from alone in thinking that (and yes I’m a white male etc but it is not just white males who think this). In fairness to the report and a lot of the testimony an awful lot has changed in the last 10-15 years.

I don’t see a way round the public school issue. Cricket is a technical sport and so the quality and quantity of coaching and facilities will have an oversized impact on your improvement and later ability. Do whatever you like (and there is a lot that can be improved, don’t get me wrong) but wealthier kids will always have a leg up.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:35 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:19 pm

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:30 am

Cindy Butts, the Chair of the committee looking into this. I worked with her last year on a project. She's outspoken but fair, and not one given to hyperbole. So for her to use the strong words she has, it must be absolutely grim.

That there’s racism and that your chances are greatly improved by going to public school are facts of life, so it would have been a shock if cricket was somehow exempt from them.
Similarly, I was asked a while back why cricket seems to have such a problem with racism and the simpler answer I gave and stand by is that it is the only traditional British team sport where c.30% of participants are south asian, the majority of those being Muslim. Again, poor integration with the Muslim community is a societal issue, the only reason you don’t get this in rugby is that there are almost no Muslims playing rugby.

With all that said, and I’ve already been very clear there’s a lot wrong in cricket, ‘rotten’ and institutionally racist just does not describe the diverse club and league structure I am a part of and I know I’m far from alone in thinking that (and yes I’m a white male etc but it is not just white males who think this). In fairness to the report and a lot of the testimony an awful lot has changed in the last 10-15 years.

I don’t see a way round the public school issue. Cricket is a technical sport and so the quality and quantity of coaching and facilities will have an oversized impact on your improvement and later ability. Do whatever you like (and there is a lot that can be improved, don’t get me wrong) but wealthier kids will always have a leg up.

Given the number of organisations, institutions, sports, arts etc that are considered, rightly to have some inherent racism in their activities, is it not about time we acknowledged it's actually society at large that is inherently racist? Pointing at different organisations only helps people say 'it's them, not me' and stick their heads in the sand.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:02 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:35 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:19 pm

That there’s racism and that your chances are greatly improved by going to public school are facts of life, so it would have been a shock if cricket was somehow exempt from them.
Similarly, I was asked a while back why cricket seems to have such a problem with racism and the simpler answer I gave and stand by is that it is the only traditional British team sport where c.30% of participants are south asian, the majority of those being Muslim. Again, poor integration with the Muslim community is a societal issue, the only reason you don’t get this in rugby is that there are almost no Muslims playing rugby.

With all that said, and I’ve already been very clear there’s a lot wrong in cricket, ‘rotten’ and institutionally racist just does not describe the diverse club and league structure I am a part of and I know I’m far from alone in thinking that (and yes I’m a white male etc but it is not just white males who think this). In fairness to the report and a lot of the testimony an awful lot has changed in the last 10-15 years.

I don’t see a way round the public school issue. Cricket is a technical sport and so the quality and quantity of coaching and facilities will have an oversized impact on your improvement and later ability. Do whatever you like (and there is a lot that can be improved, don’t get me wrong) but wealthier kids will always have a leg up.

Given the number of organisations, institutions, sports, arts etc that are considered, rightly to have some inherent racism in their activities, is it not about time we acknowledged it's actually society at large that is inherently racist? Pointing at different organisations only helps people say 'it's them, not me' and stick their heads in the sand.

I’ve pretty clearly acknowledged there’s plenty of racism in cricket. I don’t think the game is rotten to the core

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:57 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:02 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:35 am

Given the number of organisations, institutions, sports, arts etc that are considered, rightly to have some inherent racism in their activities, is it not about time we acknowledged it's actually society at large that is inherently racist? Pointing at different organisations only helps people say 'it's them, not me' and stick their heads in the sand.

I’ve pretty clearly acknowledged there’s plenty of racism in cricket. I don’t think the game is rotten to the core

Sorry, that's not what I meant. I meant as a whole we should be addressing this as a problem of racism across society, as that's what leads to all these organisations having racist elements / behaviours / whatever we want to describe them as.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:26 am Just Stop Oil retards need to get tazed and OC sparayed. Same with extinction rebellion and those Insulate types. I sympathize with the causes but these bellends just infuriate me.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:59 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:26 am Just Stop Oil retards need to get tazed and OC sparayed. Same with extinction rebellion and those Insulate types. I sympathize with the causes but these bellends just infuriate me.

That's what they want to happen. Deal with them quietly and calmly, as was done today.

The other option of course, is not to chuck them out of the ground. Just return them to their seats to face the music.

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:02 pm You can thank me for that wicket England - I clicked on to cricinfo and the first scoreboard update was the wicket.

You are very welcome.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:18 pm Tongue rattles the stumps again.

Warner gone for 66

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:06 pm Let’s hope Australia fancy a go at us tonight!

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:23 pm I am kind of freaking out.

I have checked cricinfo 3 times today - first time Khawaja went first refresh, second time Labuschagne went out on the first refresh - and now Head and Green went.

I may be a god.

Deepsouth wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:55 pm Day one to the Australians.

Lovely.

England looking old and broken......