NPR

The grift that keeps giving...To the self proclaimed billionaire...

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1734619392481096003?s=20

yermum wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:04 pm Presumably he could gun down enough of the gop opposition and start getting his bills through

I'm stocking up on popcorn for the 1st Presidential debate !

I picture Joe pulling an AR-15 out from his lectern, & emptying the mag into the Traitor, then reloading & taking out the front row on the GOP side.

He then turns to the camera & says in a faux Saffer accent; "Presidential Immunity !", while brandishing a, "Federal Boob Inspector" badge.

TB63 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:37 pm The grift that keeps giving...To the self proclaimed billionaire...

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1734619392481096003?s=20

$99 for the full digital set seemed a bargain until I realised it was each. I'm only going for 3 or 4 now

A magnificent display of a total lack of self-awareness by a congressman who is now in his second year of refusing to respond to a congressional subpoena.

The Jury in the Civil defamation case again Rudy have retired.

Anyone want to bet on a brutal decision before close of business ?

The short version of this from last night is that The Reps have launched impeachment proceedings against Biden, but can't actually point to what laws he is said to have broken.

The only point is that when the fat orange shit begins his bid for the Whitehouse his lackeys can point to the proceedings and make an equivalence between Biden and the fat orange shit.

You make your own facts and truths these days.

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:27 pm

TB63 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:37 pm The grift that keeps giving...To the self proclaimed billionaire...

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1734619392481096003?s=20

$99 for the full digital set seemed a bargain until I realised it was each. I'm only going for 3 or 4 now

I KNEW YOU HATED AMERICA! BAD!

Kiwias wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:28 pm A magnificent display of a total lack of self-awareness by a congressman who is now in his second year of refusing to respond to a congressional subpoena.

Could someone please buy Gym a gacket

Ouch !

Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay $148M to Georgia poll workers


Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump.

The former New York mayor and ex-Trump lawyer has been on trial since Monday in federal court in Washington, where Ruby Freeman and Wandrea ArShaye “Shaye” Moss filed a lawsuit against him asserting that his baseless claims in December 2020 destroyed their reputations and exposed them to a torrent of vicious threats and insults.

The eight-person jury was only required to weigh how much Giuliani should pay the women in damages after the federal judge in the case issued a default judgment against Giuliani in August based on his admissions and failure to turn over evidence in the case. Moss and Freeman had sought up to $47 million in damages.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... n-workers/

Am guessing he won't have that much stashed away? [/Innocent question]

No worries, $150m is chump change to his ever loyal bestie DJT.

I'm sure the Donald will be happy to help out such a dear old friend and ally, right? Right..?

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:33 pm Am guessing he won't have that much stashed away? [/Innocent question]

Well if he does, his ex-cousins; sorry ex-wifes, lawyers will be all over him like flies on shit, & after them, the IRS, & the lawyers he's stiffed, & dozen others who've been left holding the bag because he's been ducking & diving to avoid paying anyone, for anything; I mean he's already on the hook for $200k+ for the election workers lawyers, & that judgement was a few months ago, & he hasn't paid that yet !

I think the Feds preemptively but a lien on an apartment he has in Florida, & he has his apartment in Manhattan for sale for $6.5M, but this judgement will clean him out completely, & while he was bloviating about appeals & re-trials, all that needs lawyers, & now he's broke, none of them will touch him with a 100ft barge pole; he's fucked !!

Which leads neatly to the Georgia Federal case, where the DA has said he ain't getting a plea deal, & now he's going to be relying on a public defender, & is facing a minimum 5 years inside on RICO charges we all know he's guilty as hell of !

Rudy isn't just thinking about avoiding prison, or poverty now; he's facing dying in prison, & in America you get the, Justice, you can afford !

Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:42 pm No worries, $150m is chump change to his ever loyal bestie DJT.

I'm sure the Donald will be happy to help out such a dear old friend and ally, right? Right..?

Drump brags he can do a lot with a telephone..


https://x.com/Acyn/status/1736537836369989675?s=20

So can Jack Smith...

TB63 wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:11 pm Drump brags he can do a lot with a telephone..


https://x.com/Acyn/status/1736537836369989675?s=20

So can Jack Smith...

I half expected him to claim he was the first person to use a telephone.

I'd love to know what happened to Giuliani. After 9/11 he was lauded as "America's mayor" and was beloved for (and had been widely credited for) reducing crime in NYC. Jesus, he even had a cameo in an Adam Sandler film.

So strange how his life & reputation has unravelled in the fashion that it has.

Hugo wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:00 am I'd love to know what happened to Giuliani. After 9/11 he was lauded as "America's mayor" and was beloved for (and had been widely credited for) reducing crime in NYC. Jesus, he even had a cameo in an Adam Sandler film.

So strange how his life & reputation has unravelled in the fashion that it has.

He was Touched by the Orange Wand.

Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:31 am

Hugo wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:00 am I'd love to know what happened to Giuliani. After 9/11 he was lauded as "America's mayor" and was beloved for (and had been widely credited for) reducing crime in NYC. Jesus, he even had a cameo in an Adam Sandler film.

So strange how his life & reputation has unravelled in the fashion that it has.

He was Touched by the Orange Wand.

eww!

Hugo wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:00 am I'd love to know what happened to Giuliani. After 9/11 he was lauded as "America's mayor" and was beloved for (and had been widely credited for) reducing crime in NYC. Jesus, he even had a cameo in an Adam Sandler film.

So strange how his life & reputation has unravelled in the fashion that it has.

Took on the five families.
It's quite tragic really.

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:21 am

Hugo wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:00 am I'd love to know what happened to Giuliani. After 9/11 he was lauded as "America's mayor" and was beloved for (and had been widely credited for) reducing crime in NYC. Jesus, he even had a cameo in an Adam Sandler film.

So strange how his life & reputation has unravelled in the fashion that it has.

Took on the five families.
It's quite tragic really.

They must be quite embarrassed to have been taken down by him

And just been slapped with another defamation suit...

With possibly another on after a TV interview where he still accused them ...

TB63 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:12 am And just been slapped with another defamation suit...

With possibly another on after a TV interview where he still accused them ...

Just following the example of his Orange God, who did the same after the E Jean Carroll defamation suit.

His transcripts are lovely reading. "Come here big tits" is now a favourite in my house.

Colorado Supreme Court rules Trump ineligible for ballot…

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/colora ... ion-clause

Kinda significant

Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:23 pm Colorado Supreme Court rules Trump ineligible for ballot…

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/colora ... ion-clause

Kinda significant

HO - LEE - SHIT !!!

It is of course the correct decision, but I didn't expect it.

Now the SCOTUS will have to fast track this case, or else a dozen other states will replicate this decision, & the Electoral College mathematics will be impossible for the Traitor.

Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:23 pm Colorado Supreme Court rules Trump ineligible for ballot…

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/colora ... ion-clause

Kinda significant

YESSSSS

What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 am What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

One of the many issues with the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas, a sitting judge who's wife was instrumental in support for the insurrection / riots and has been on the receiving end of extremely generous 'handouts' from wealthy GOP supporting individuals.

he should ideally recuse himself. Of course. He probably won't. Of course.

Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:31 am

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 am What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

One of the many issues with the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas, a sitting judge who's wife was instrumental in support for the insurrection / riots and has been on the receiving end of extremely generous undeclared 'handouts' from wealthy GOP supporting individuals.

he should ideally recuse himself. Of course. He probably won't. Of course.

Fixxed

Yes.

Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:31 am

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 am What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

One of the many issues with the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas, a sitting judge who's wife was instrumental in support for the insurrection / riots and has been on the receiving end of extremely generous 'handouts' from wealthy GOP supporting individuals.

he should ideally recuse himself. Of course. He definitely won't. Of course.

Fixxed for you

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 am What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

Not simple, but you could in essence rely on two arguments, letting the voters decide a political argument rather than the courts and innocent until proven guilty. And good luck to anyone who considers themselves democratic arguing with that just because they happened to like the convenience of a piece of shit being kicked to the curb

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:48 am

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 am What would crack me up is if the Supreme Court said Trump couldn't run until his innocence in the Jan 6 case was proven - obviously he can't run if guilty. And thus all his delaying tactics fecked him over. Innocent until proven guilty? But how could you let somebody run for President if their insurrection is in the process of being proven? A not simple issue...

Not simple, but you could in essence rely on two arguments, letting the voters decide a political argument rather than the courts and innocent until proven guilty. And good luck to anyone who considers themselves democratic arguing with that just because they happened to like the convenience of a piece of shit being kicked to the curb

The exact text of the 14th Amendment makes it pretty clear that there is no need for a trial & guilty verdict; the clause is self-executing

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The last sentence is what gives away that it is automatically applied, because it provides a way to reverse the automatic disqualification.

This makes perfect sense if you remember that the Amendment was added after the Civil War to stop those who'd tried to overturn the Republic, from then getting to try again. There wasn't time to have trials for millions of confederates.

I understand that, I just think you can reasonably argue either he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near running a stall at a car boot sale or that the choice shouldn't be made via the courts it should be left to the people.

I rather hope he dies painfully with his intestines exploding between now and 2024, but if he lives as much as I loathe him I'm not 100% sold the choice shouldn't be left to the people, and that if the choice is removed that doesn't simply create other problems.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:47 am I understand that, I just think you can reasonably argue either he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near running a stall at a car boot sale or that the choice shouldn't be made via the courts it should be left to the people.

I rather hope he dies painfully with his intestines exploding between now and 2024, but if he lives as much as I loathe him I'm not 100% sold the choice shouldn't be left to the people, and that if the choice is removed that doesn't simply create other problems.

In the words of Terry Pratchett

Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there’ll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:47 am I understand that, I just think you can reasonably argue either he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near running a stall at a car boot sale or that the choice shouldn't be made via the courts it should be left to the people.

I rather hope he dies painfully with his intestines exploding between now and 2024, but if he lives as much as I loathe him I'm not 100% sold the choice shouldn't be left to the people, and that if the choice is removed that doesn't simply create other problems.

People are already prevented from running for the Presidency for the benign reasons of not being over 40, or not being native born Americans; I think actively seeking to end Democracy is a damn good reason for putting someone against a wall & shooting them, let alone not allowing their name on the ballot.

But by all means, let's see the GOP put a motion before Congress to allow his name on the ballot, & see where that goes, as allowed for in the Constitution !

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:47 am I understand that, I just think you can reasonably argue either he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near running a stall at a car boot sale or that the choice shouldn't be made via the courts it should be left to the people.

I rather hope he dies painfully with his intestines exploding between now and 2024, but if he lives as much as I loathe him I'm not 100% sold the choice shouldn't be left to the people, and that if the choice is removed that doesn't simply create other problems.

People are already prevented from running for the Presidency for the benign reasons of not being over 40, or not being native born Americans; I think actively seeking to end Democracy is a damn good reason for putting someone against a wall & shooting them, let alone not allowing their name on the ballot.

But by all means, let's see the GOP put a motion before Congress to allow his name on the ballot, & see where that goes, as allowed for in the Constitution !

Had they sorted all this out by Jan 20th back in 2021 maybe I'd be more relaxed in saying fair enough, but we're less than year from denying a lot of people their ideal choice for Emperor, and for all that sucks for many reasons I can't see simply denying him a place on the (last) ballot isn't a problem itself.

That said if he was excluded I'm not exactly going to make any effort to recover that situation in Trump's favour, because on a personal level I'd rather like it