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Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:18 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:13 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:21 am



The virus like all viruses of this type will always be in existence, it won’t take hold again and it won’t become pandemic again post vaccination etc , but it’s a biological fact no virus has ever been eliminated.... it’s nonsense talk


If you meant about your economy then it’s relatively small and relatively in global in nature .

Again you are mixing up an elimination and an eradication strategy in PH terms. We have been here before!

We had the level of community transmission down to very low levels in the summer and should have maintained that by controlling the borders, implementing strict quarantine rules for those coming into the country and got test , track and trace into a state to control local outbreaks of community transmission. The piss poor UK Gov did the opposite, told us all to go out and congregate in pubs and restaurants, fecked up testing, tracking and tracing by giving contracts to their buddies and actively imported cases into the country by letting folk go to the costa del sol. In effect they have consigned the economy to a slow painful death. We could have pursued an elimination strategy a la NZ but didnt have the balls to do it - it would have been difficult but we might be in the same position as NZ or Australia now. No Public Health = no economic health ... simples.

I’m mixing nothing at all up. I used the words I wanted to use.

The eat out to help out scheme didn’t add to the current issues at all.

Track and trace has been a failed policy here and else where.

I believe your in Scotland, I’ve never heard you so critical of their government...

There was no chance of the same strategy as has been pointed out lots of times the virus was already well bedded in here long before anyone “locked down” , why you insist this isn’t the case is quite beyond comprehension.

Oh dear! There was clear evidence that was published that the eat out to help out scheme raised the levels of community transmission. I am sure you can google it.

The examples I used - eat out to help out, Serco test, track and trace and border control - were all UK Gov policy decisions.

The virus was spreading at very high levels up to the 1st wave but the level of community transmission was reduced to very low levels following the first wave lock down. If the test and trace systems were up and running properly we could have maintained and reduced the levels of transmission further, we didn't because Serco/Deliottes test and trace was a feckin shambles and not fit for purpose.

In Scotland the daily new cases were down to single figures in July and August but genomic tests have shown that the increase in cases was partly down to folk bringing the virus back from Spain in particular. Kids coming back from holiday and then starting school in mid August saw cases increase into September onwards. We have struggled to contain the community transmission since then however we have kept new cases per million low (1,049 for last 7 days in Scotland v 2,475 in England) and the % of positive tests low (4.7% in Scotland v 6.9% in England).

It was a political decision to not go for an elimination strategy and to adopt a containment strategy. It has failed miserably - we have one of the highest death rates to to covid19 in the world and one of the worst performing economies in terms of drop in GDP. The numbers tell the story!

UK School Pupil Testing plan. Shambles. No-one is shocked.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:12 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:10 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:28 pm Saint,

Any truth that some GP’s are demanding payment before giving the vaccine ?

From patients? That would be a violation of their NHS contracts.

I know the government had put forward proposals that would see GP surgeries providing the vaccines at a loss, considering the GPs run as small businesses as per a certain party that is perhaps the issue being worked around? Or is the government hoping for volunteers as with their testing in schools programme announced with no lead time and no money behind it this week?

For mist GP surgeries it should be cost neutral. They're getting paid 20% per dose above what they get for influenza, and the required infrastructure is paid for by central government. It's not mandatory for GPs to sign up, and for small surgeries the complexities of Pfizer won't make it worthwhile. But any surgery that signs up and then tries to charge patients will find their entire contract ripped up

Oh dear! There was clear evidence that was published that the eat out to help out scheme raised the levels of community transmission. I am sure you can google it.

There’s absolute clear evidence that the opposite is true. 4 weeks post the end of August we had record low levels of infection.

It was a political decision to not go for an elimination strategy and to adopt a containment strategy. It has failed miserably - we have one of the highest death rates to to covid19 in the world and one of the worst performing economies in terms of drop in GDP. The numbers tell the story!

And no, it wasn’t a decision we could have made. As I’ll explain once again the level of endemic infection in mid Feb made any sort of isolation policy impossible.


There’s of course technical reasons why GDP measurement affects that figure, a waste of time here though, as I agree the lockdowns caused a shit load of problems, and the dept Health PHE and Hancock have been fucking useless.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:15 pm UK School Pupil Testing plan. Shambles. No-one is shocked.

The volunteers being sought to do the tests will not apparently need to pass a background test to work with children. Which will speed things along, but is an interesting way of proceeding.

I get they shouldn't in theory be left alone with kids, but I tended not to be alone with kids coaching kids rugby, and you still had to pass a background test for that to stand in the middle of a field surrounded by many people including lots of parents

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

I totally agree. Different people can and will do the same thing in different ways.

In regard to EOTHO.



The stats.

Who would have thought that kids would be the end of all good things?

Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:38 pm Who would have thought that kids would be the end of all good things?

I can't remember if it was an Irish Politician, or someone in Public Health; but they said at some stage this summer; that we could/would end up with having to make a decision, whether we wanted to re-open Pubs, or send kids back to school.

I think with such a unique emergency, it was always going to tax the abilities, & decision making capacity of all concerned to make good decisions, without enough information.

Sending kids back to Primary & Secondary level Education was always going to be necessary; but it's looking increasingly obvious that sending those 18 year olds to University, was a bad idea. We all remember what we were like back then; the first taste of real freedom.

I don't know what it's like in the UK; but the weekly pilgrimage by college students back home, with a bag full of laundry, & spending most of the weekend out with pals; was probably the worst possible thing we could have done.

I don't know what else could have been done; but it should have been something different; & maybe that thought should drive the order of the vaccines

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

Exactly what happened just before lockdown2. The difference being that we won't have a 28 day lockdown/recovery to compensate.....


We will be in countrywide lockdown for Jan/Feb/Mar. That's inevitable now, tge only question is when in January it will start. But by mid April restrictions will be all but over.

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:18 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

Exactly what happened just before lockdown2. The difference being that we won't have a 28 day lockdown/recovery to compensate.....


We will be in countrywide lockdown for Jan/Feb/Mar. That's inevitable now, tge only question is when in January it will start. But by mid April restrictions will be all but over.

That's what I'd take from the extension to the furlough scheme.

I think, again, the Bumblecunt has dithered & delayed making a decision; & now cases are still high, & hospitals are too stretched; & now Christmas will push them over the edge.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:25 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:18 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

Exactly what happened just before lockdown2. The difference being that we won't have a 28 day lockdown/recovery to compensate.....


We will be in countrywide lockdown for Jan/Feb/Mar. That's inevitable now, tge only question is when in January it will start. But by mid April restrictions will be all but over.

That's what I'd take from the extension to the furlough scheme.

I think, again, the Bumblecunt has dithered & delayed making a decision; & now cases are still high, & hospitals are too stretched; & now Christmas will push them over the edge.

Ironically, Tier 2 areas moving to Tier 3 would probably have done better overall not being moved this weekend

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:40 am

Maybe you could address the reason for my ridicule?

Your scorn is misplaced unless you think NZ is globally large economy with a reliance on imports and exports for its basics. All GDP is mostly internal but NZ is especially so.

Oh my giddy aunt. It must be your glaring ignorance that blinds you.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

I agree, it’s moronic and a peculiarly British trait. We are entering lockdown tomorrow I know rather than think things are getting serious maybe a good idea to stay in? Oh no let’s take the last opportunity to get bladdered with a whole group of strangers. It is these cunts fuelling the whole thing

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

That's a fair comment.

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:19 am

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

That's a fair comment.

Don’t stop on my account it’s like water off a ducks back...

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:15 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

I agree, it’s moronic and a peculiarly British trait. We are entering lockdown tomorrow I know rather than think things are getting serious maybe a good idea to stay in? Oh no let’s take the last opportunity to get bladdered with a whole group of strangers. It is these cunts fuelling the whole thing

Eh, it's not like people haven't been stoking the resentment and questioning the very concept of lockdowns, the severity of the virus, promoting conspiracy theories etc, all while the government prevaricates, contradicts itself on a near-daily basis, and flip-flops repeatedly. Hardly a surprise it's chaos.

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:15 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

I agree, it’s moronic and a peculiarly British trait. We are entering lockdown tomorrow I know rather than think things are getting serious maybe a good idea to stay in? Oh no let’s take the last opportunity to get bladdered with a whole group of strangers. It is these cunts fuelling the whole thing

Not really. People behaving like irresponsible arseholes after booze is universal; what's, "peculiarly British", is pretending that, common sense, & booze are compatible; & that a scotch egg is a substantial meal.

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:26 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:19 am

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

That's a fair comment.

Don’t stop on my account it’s like water off a ducks back...

Excellent, that's exactly what we were discussing, OS. Let's hope that small acknowledgment signals a new beginning.

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:26 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:19 am

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:39 pm Guys, shall we take a breath before going at OS (again)

That's a fair comment.

Don’t stop on my account it’s like water off a ducks back...

Understood but we don't really want to set the bar too low.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:10 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:15 pm UK School Pupil Testing plan. Shambles. No-one is shocked.

The volunteers being sought to do the tests will not apparently need to pass a background test to work with children. Which will speed things along, but is an interesting way of proceeding.

I get they shouldn't in theory be left alone with kids, but I tended not to be alone with kids coaching kids rugby, and you still had to pass a background test for that to stand in the middle of a field surrounded by many people including lots of parents

There must be a quick DNA test we can do, if it comes up with a high percentage of crab then we know what to do.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:46 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:15 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:58 pm Getting reports from various mates around south England (and yes, they are doing it and total dicks) that pubs and restaurants are packed before the lockdown starts.

Just a few days before everyone meets with their loved ones for Christmas.

This is going to be carnage

I agree, it’s moronic and a peculiarly British trait. We are entering lockdown tomorrow I know rather than think things are getting serious maybe a good idea to stay in? Oh no let’s take the last opportunity to get bladdered with a whole group of strangers. It is these cunts fuelling the whole thing

Not really. People behaving like irresponsible arseholes after booze is universal; what's, "peculiarly British", is pretending that, common sense, & booze are compatible; & that a scotch egg is a substantial meal.

Nah there is something about the gusto that the Brits bring to the party that sets us apart, it’s almost as though the herd drinks to get drunk rather than that being a by product of having a good time...

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:56 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:26 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:19 am

That's a fair comment.

Don’t stop on my account it’s like water off a ducks back...

Excellent, that's exactly what we were discussing, OS. Let's hope that small acknowledgment signals a new beginning.

Yes I am acknowledging that it is your right to be all weak and wafty and I am trying to understand what that feels like.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:30 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:10 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:15 pm UK School Pupil Testing plan. Shambles. No-one is shocked.

The volunteers being sought to do the tests will not apparently need to pass a background test to work with children. Which will speed things along, but is an interesting way of proceeding.

I get they shouldn't in theory be left alone with kids, but I tended not to be alone with kids coaching kids rugby, and you still had to pass a background test for that to stand in the middle of a field surrounded by many people including lots of parents

There must be a quick DNA test we can do, if it comes up with a high percentage of crab then we know what to do.

As odious as RAF personnel are I think those measures sound a bit draconian

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:56 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:26 am

Don’t stop on my account it’s like water off a ducks back...

Excellent, that's exactly what we were discussing, OS. Let's hope that small acknowledgment signals a new beginning.

Yes I am acknowledging that it is your right to be all weak and wafty and I am trying to understand what that feels like.

And what do you think I am being weak and wafty about, OS?

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:55 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:56 am

Excellent, that's exactly what we were discussing, OS. Let's hope that small acknowledgment signals a new beginning.

Yes I am acknowledging that it is your right to be all weak and wafty and I am trying to understand what that feels like.

And what do you think I am being weak and wafty about, OS?

Are you feeling sensitive Ted? I have said you are being weak and wafty

Openside is Neil Fox and I claim my vaccine.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:24 pm In regard to EOTHO.



The stats.

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... 7.2020.pdf

Contains this nugget of a lie.

The notion that there may be a trade-offs between health and the economy is broadly refused by most economic experts – disease containment is considered to be the best policy response to reduce both the human cost in terms of lives lost as well as to reduce the economic burden of the pandemic. Naturally, disease con- tainment becomes more costly, if the pandemic is out of control. This suggests that early targeted interventions supported by an effective test and tracing system may be the most effective and least cost interventions (Acemoglu et al., 2020; Kapla

Remember this next time a leftie economist complains about government austerity etc causing health problems in their chosen demographic.



Also that report doesn’t say what you think it does. It says infections at that time, overall infections fell for another 6 weeks post August,

See last graph in this article - shows clearly the relationship between deaths per million and fall in GDP. Those who countries who failed to control the virus outbreak suffered greatest fall in GDP.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-global-data/

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:26 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:55 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 am
Yes I am acknowledging that it is your right to be all weak and wafty and I am trying to understand what that feels like.

And what do you think I am being weak and wafty about, OS?

Are you feeling sensitive Ted? I have said you are being weak and wafty

Nothing then. Just more hot air.

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:26 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:55 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:21 am
Yes I am acknowledging that it is your right to be all weak and wafty and I am trying to understand what that feels like.

And what do you think I am being weak and wafty about, OS?

Are you feeling sensitive Ted? I haven't said you are being weak and wafty

Ted this is what I was trying to say - apologies what I actually typed (apparently) was the complete opposite of what I was trying to say)
not sure if some sort of auto correct or just fat fingers...

Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

I'm looking forward to the half done bar charts with the latest doomsday scenario

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

is that the one from Simon Sporborg?