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tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:42 am Report is out!

Boris Johnson authorised Afghan animal evacuation, leaked email suggest

Boris Johnson authorised the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan during the fall of Kabul, according to emails leaked by a whistleblower. The PM has previously dismissed as "nonsense" claims he intervened in the evacuation of the Nowzad charity, run by former Royal Marine Pen Farthing.

But an email from an official in minister Zac Goldsmith's office suggests he was personally involved. It is one of a number of emails released by a select committee.

The August 2020 message to an official in the Foreign Office says: "Charity Nowzad, run by an ex-Royal Marine, has received a lot of publicity and the PM has just authorised their staff and animals to be evacuated."

When asked in December if he had prioritised animals over people in the evacuation of Kabul, Mr Johnson said: "That is complete nonsense."

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:33 pm More ammunition...

Boris Johnson authorised Afghan animal evacuation, leaked email suggest

Boris Johnson authorised the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan during the fall of Kabul, according to emails leaked by a whistleblower. The PM has previously dismissed as "nonsense" claims he intervened in the evacuation of the Nowzad charity, run by former Royal Marine Pen Farthing.

But an email from an official in minister Zac Goldsmith's office suggests he was personally involved. It is one of a number of emails released by a select committee.

The August 2020 message to an official in the Foreign Office says: "Charity Nowzad, run by an ex-Royal Marine, has received a lot of publicity and the PM has just authorised their staff and animals to be evacuated."

When asked in December if he had prioritised animals over people in the evacuation of Kabul, Mr Johnson said: "That is complete nonsense."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60143279

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:03 am Gray wants the report to be publushed in full.
Good luck Boris


This will go down like a shit sandwich if Boris tries to suppress it.

Well it will get leaked anyway

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:57 am Jrm saying we have an presidential style of government is interesting. Didn't expect old moggy to be a republican, welcome comrade!

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:33 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:03 am Gray wants the report to be publushed in full.
Good luck Boris


This will go down like a shit sandwich if Boris tries to suppress it.

Well it will get leaked anyway

In what sort of world could someone being investigated for a possible wrongdoing be in charge of issuing a report on it?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:41 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:33 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:03 am Gray wants the report to be publushed in full.
Good luck Boris


This will go down like a shit sandwich if Boris tries to suppress it.

Well it will get leaked anyway

In what sort of world could someone being investigated for a possible wrongdoing be in charge of issuing a report on it?

Say one thing for Putin, say that he'd fit right in with this lot in charge right now

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:55 pm The American's think he already does:

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:26 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:55 pm The American's think he already does:

Nothing new here. Have been posting for years that the UK is the centre for the world's largest money laundering activities.

But don't forget to take your passport with you to your bank if you want to make a significant withdrawal of your own money. Gotta
cut down on the sources of crime dontcha know.

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:26 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:55 pm The American's think he already does:

Nothing new here. Have been posting for years that the UK is the centre for the world's largest money laundering activities.

But don't forget to take your passport with you to your bank if you want to make a significant withdrawal of your own money. Gotta
cut down on the sources of crime dontcha know.

If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:53 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

I was really referring to the knowledge about the massive amounts of money being knowingly laundered via UK banks, property and football clubs.

Doubt the Russians bat an eyelid at some UK military posturing. Putin has murdered people on UK soil and basically said "WTF are you going to do about it?". And, of course, the answer was nothing.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:53 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:26 pm
Nothing new here. Have been posting for years that the UK is the centre for the world's largest money laundering activities.

But don't forget to take your passport with you to your bank if you want to make a significant withdrawal of your own money. Gotta
cut down on the sources of crime dontcha know.

If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

Any evidence in their support of Scottish independence movements? I remember the evidence of them funding brexit was limited at best.

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:33 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:03 am Gray wants the report to be publushed in full.
Good luck Boris


This will go down like a shit sandwich if Boris tries to suppress it.

Well it will get leaked anyway

In what sort of world could someone being investigated for a possible wrongdoing be in charge of issuing a report on it?

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:19 pm These bastards are supposed to be governing the country!!!! Three fmeetings a day FFS

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:29 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:33 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:03 am Gray wants the report to be publushed in full.
Good luck Boris


This will go down like a shit sandwich if Boris tries to suppress it.

Well it will get leaked anyway

In what sort of world could someone being investigated for a possible wrongdoing be in charge of issuing a report on it?

Peston tweeted this morning; to the effect that the Report is done; & the delay is now completely down to the Cabinet Office (i.e. the PM), in a stand off with Gray, over his commitment to publish the full report .... turns out he was lying then too .... imagine that ?

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:49 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:29 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:33 pm

In what sort of world could someone being investigated for a possible wrongdoing be in charge of issuing a report on it?

Peston tweeted this morning; to the effect that the Report is done; & the delay is now completely down to the Cabinet Office (i.e. the PM), in a stand off with Gray, over his commitment to publish the full report .... turns out he was lying then too .... imagine that ?

I’d like to think that he’s in a heads we win, tails he loses situation. How could he credibly justify not releasing it? Any security stuff or names could be redacted.

Home Office loses case over stripping citizenship without notice after challenge by alleged Isis member


The Home Office has lost the latest stage of a court battle over stripping people of their British citizenship.

The Court of Appeal found it was unlawful to remove people’s nationality without giving proper notice, after a challenge by a woman who allegedly joined Isis in Syria.

The woman, who can only be identified as D4, is being held in the same Syrian camp as Shamima Begum and did not find out her British citizenship had been removed for 10 months.

....

In December that year, a minister removed her UK citizenship but she was not formally informed until October 2020, after her solicitors asked the government to repatriate her and were refused.

D4 then appealed to the Special Immigration Appeals Commission and started judicial review proceedings in the High Court.

The law states that the government “must give the person written notice” of a citizenship deprivation decision, providing reasons for it and notifying them of their right to appeal.

In 2018, the Home Office changed regulations setting out how notice can be given if someone's whereabouts are unknown, there is no address to send documents to and they do not have a lawyer.

Under the new rules, notice of a decision to revoke someone's citizenship was “deemed to have been given” to the person in question if the Home Office made a record of it and put it on their file.

Giving his judgment at the High Court last year, Mr Justice Chamberlain remarked: “As a matter of ordinary language, you do not ‘give’ someone ‘notice’ of something by putting the notice in your desk drawer and locking it. No-one who understands English would regard that purely private act as a way of ‘giving notice’.”

Westminster is still waiting for Sue Gray's report.

The senior civil servant investigating Partygate is said to be going through her finished document with the metropolitan police, lawyers and Civil Service Human Resources officials, to remove elements that could be problematic for junior staff, the security of government buildings, or a police investigation.

The Prime Minster, Boris Johnson, has promised to publish the report once he receives it from Sue Gray, and will make a statement to the House of Commons.

But the Commons has adjourned for the night, so there is no forum available for the PM to make his statement - until tomorrow.

When the adjournment debate began at 4pm, the deputy speaker said that if Downing Street requested it, the house would pause its adjournment debate and wait until the PM was ready to make a statement.

But that didn't happen, and by 4.45pm, the adjournment question was put, wrapping up business for the day.

Now speculation continues about when Sue Gray will report to her boss - the person who commissioned the report into the goings on in Number 10 - the Prime Minster, Boris Johnson. He will then determine the release of the report.

He is expected to take a few hours (at least) to read the report and prepare his own defences, prior to making a statement. The opposition parties also expect some time to consult the report before the PM's statement.

That suggests tomorrow morning as the earliest time for a Commons statement - assuming Sue Gray delivers her report tonight. If she hands over the report in the morning, then an afternoon statement is more likely.

After that, the question is will enough Conservative MPs regard the content of Sue Gray's report as sufficient cover for them to submit letters to the backbench 1922 Committee, calling for a no-confidence vote in the leader.

If the threshold is reached - 15% of Conservative MPs, equivalent to 54 members - then the vote would happen quite quickly, possibly the day after the prime minister's statement.

Two potential problems with Thursday as a publication day.

Firstly, that would point to a possible vote on Friday, when many members are usually gone from Westminster back to their constituencies, and may not want to stay on.

Second, Thursday is Holocaust Memorial Day, and traditionally the British government does not bring out new policies or statements on that day, so as not to distract from the solemnity of the occasion.

But so far in this 'Partygate/Sue Gray' affair, nothing has gone according to convention, tradition or timetable - so anything is possible.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:53 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

I was really referring to the knowledge about the massive amounts of money being knowingly laundered via UK banks, property and football clubs.

Doubt the Russians bat an eyelid at some UK military posturing. Putin has murdered people on UK soil and basically said "WTF are you going to do about it?". And, of course, the answer was nothing.

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:14 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:53 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:35 pm If its true then the Russian are getting a really poor return for their money.

The UK is sending military aid to Ukraine as we speak while most major European nations are sitting on their hands (Germany being the worst offender in actively blocking other European nations sending their German made equipment). The RAF is flying intel missions in the Black sea almost every day and its likely our troop commitment to Eastern Europe will increase soon.

The Russians are also investing major efforts into destabilizing the UK (and thus NATO) through support of Scottish nationalism - why bother if they have compromised the government as suggested.

I was really referring to the knowledge about the massive amounts of money being knowingly laundered via UK banks, property and football clubs.

Doubt the Russians bat an eyelid at some UK military posturing. Putin has murdered people on UK soil and basically said "WTF are you going to do about it?". And, of course, the answer was nothing.

This is just an awful take - basic ignorance combined with Putin wanking...are you sure your not under the control of the Russians?

petej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:52 pm Putin murdering people on UK soil backfired badly and got a united response. Putin tends to go for those who are russian ex-pats to probably keep them in-line.

sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:09 pm They're a canny bunch the Met police.....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... are-guilty

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:39 pm

petej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:52 pm Putin murdering people on UK soil backfired badly and got a united response. Putin tends to go for those who are russian ex-pats to probably keep them in-line.

How did it backfire? He sent a message to all his own "dissidents" saying "Toe the line or we will kill you. Anywhere. And no-one will lift a finger."

Tell me that's not how it played out.

sturginho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:09 pm They're a canny bunch the Met police.....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... are-guilty

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:39 pm

petej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:52 pm Putin murdering people on UK soil backfired badly and got a united response. Putin tends to go for those who are russian ex-pats to probably keep them in-line.

How did it backfire? He sent a message to all his own "dissidents" saying "Toe the line or we will kill you. Anywhere. And no-one will lift a finger."

Tell me that's not how it played out.

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:02 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:39 pm

petej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:52 pm Putin murdering people on UK soil backfired badly and got a united response. Putin tends to go for those who are russian ex-pats to probably keep them in-line.

How did it backfire? He sent a message to all his own "dissidents" saying "Toe the line or we will kill you. Anywhere. And no-one will lift a finger."

Tell me that's not how it played out.

Thing was he wasn’t just a dissident. I forget the details and I’m too idle to check but he was in the category of “You leave ours alone and we’ll leave yours alone”. The Russian actions in Salisbury broke that tacit agreement.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:26 pm It appears that ms truss' recent jaunt down under was on a private plane costing £500k

The Independent reports “it is understood the private flight was chosen for ‘security considerations’ amid fears that conversations could be overheard by other passengers”.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:20 pm

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:26 pm It appears that ms truss' recent jaunt down under was on a private plane costing £500k

Didn';t want to travel with the general public in case they overheard the simpering cow

The Independent reports “it is understood the private flight was chosen for ‘security considerations’ amid fears that conversations could be overheard by other passengers”.