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Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:23 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

is that the one from Simon Sporborg?

Don't know who that is.

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu press conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm Leaked that London and the South East is going into Tier 4 and Christmas is therefore cancelled. Wow!

And they leaked it to a journalists who lost her twitter password so not even a verifiable account as of now. What a flustercuck

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

The bumbling cunt has said so many things and then performed a u-turn it's difficult to remember them all

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:06 pm

I believe Boris said it would be 'inhumane to cancel Christmas'.... Surely we are not looking at a U-turn?

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

That's part of the problem; but a lot of it looks like the decision making is based on how they would like things to be; as opposed to how the data is telling them things are.

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

Yes, complete and utter incompetence

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

He did have to. To have London empty out would be the super spreader event to end all super spreader events. And it'll still happen people will drive home. Just another disaster from this govt.

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

There is some truth in that, but other countries are having similar issues - it only takes some idiots to promote the spread of the virus and make things hard for the whole population. And you can't ignore that it is a very successful virus.

But government incompetence plays a big part too; this dicking about with tiers with last minute changes and communications pisses people off. And makes them feel like they need to take advantage of opportunities before tier changes, rather than taking the local spread seriously.

Another example is the Education minister picking a fight with a handul of local councils in London who are concerned about infection numbers and take lessons online the week before the Christmas holidays. But he can't give schools across the country sufficient time to plan for testing on schools.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

At no point did the Christmas make any sense unless the plan was for a light Christmas to boost morale and then a Jan lockdown.

Having a mass movement of younger people in cities to older people in towns and countrysides did not make sense. If you were sensibly planning Xmas and wanted everyone to get out and about schools should've shut 2 weeks prior and you have a lockdownlite. Otherwise it's just foolish.

Yet again another massive policy change announced.by leaking to friendly journos.

Its unacceptable and typical of the general crapness of this government.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

You know they only did this to prevent criminalising the entire population as the perceived wisdom was that everyone would carry on regardless.

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

You know they only did this to prevent criminalising the entire population as the perceived wisdom was that everyone would carry on regardless.

They repeatedly chose popularity over effectiveness; & in the end they'll get neither. Its shit leadership.

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:31 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

You know they only did this to prevent criminalising the entire population as the perceived wisdom was that everyone would carry on regardless.

They repeatedly chose popularity over effectiveness; & in the end they'll get neither. Its shit leadership.

I won't argue with that. It's disappointing.

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:31 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:17 pm

You know they only did this to prevent criminalising the entire population as the perceived wisdom was that everyone would carry on regardless.

They repeatedly chose popularity over effectiveness; & in the end they'll get neither. Its shit leadership.

I won't argue with that. It's disappointing.

Shambolic.............then of course Johnson's in charge

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

salanya wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:51 pm

I'm not against required measures to be announced today, but they shouldn't have announced 5 days of relative Christmas freedom 3 or 4 weeks ago, when you could see that numbers would rise again.

Throughout the year everyone has been saying that things would get bad in winter, but this government has not planned for it, and keeps changing measures and plans every few days, with impromptu conferences.

No wonder people are getting confused, frustrated and disenfranchised - it's awful governing by incompetent people.

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

It’s definitely a bit of both.

Plenty of people I know who happily broke rules are the ones now on various WhatsApp groups complaining about the new measures. Fucking idiots.

This whole thing has broken a few long friendships, frankly

News conference delayed, no surprise there, Johnson's probably only just woken up.

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:09 pm News conference delayed, no surprise there, Johnson's probably only just woken up.

He’s waiting for the start of Strictly on BBC1 so he can avoid having to take questions again.

The pantomime season is back then.


How many months ago do we think they decided on there being a dangerous “new” variant was going to be the reason they “had” to cancel Xmas and therefore won’t be blamed.


This has been planned and story boarded for months.


They mustn’t be allowed to dodge the eventual public enquiry.

The cunts closing gyms again..... he’s a moron.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:13 pm The pantomime season is back then.


How many months ago do we think they decided on there being a dangerous “new” variant was going to be the reason they “had” to cancel Xmas and therefore won’t be blamed.


This has been planned and story boarded for months.


They mustn’t be allowed to dodge the eventual public enquiry.

Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

"Guided by the science"
Except when it's not politically expedient

Slick wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:07 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm

Maybe they were working under the vain illusion that if they treated people like adults they would behave like adults. This isn't government incompetence it is arseholes not social distancing wherever possible.

They made decisions contrary to the facts at the time, Openside.

The tiers thing is pretty funny. Tiers 1-3 now are not the same as Tiers 1-3 we had before. And now they're inventing Tier 4. They've not really thought this through at any stage.

It’s definitely a bit of both.

Plenty of people I know who happily broke rules are the ones now on various WhatsApp groups complaining about the new measures. Fucking idiots.

This whole thing has broken a few long friendships, frankly

Exactly this. An old uni mate of mine has been spamming ‘Boris the murderer’ stuff for months when I know for a fact he goes to house parties in south London every Saturday and insisted on hugging me when we met up in the summer.

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:13 pm The pantomime season is back then.


How many months ago do we think they decided on there being a dangerous “new” variant was going to be the reason they “had” to cancel Xmas and therefore won’t be blamed.


This has been planned and story boarded for months.


They mustn’t be allowed to dodge the eventual public enquiry.

Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:13 pm The pantomime season is back then.


How many months ago do we think they decided on there being a dangerous “new” variant was going to be the reason they “had” to cancel Xmas and therefore won’t be blamed.


This has been planned and story boarded for months.


They mustn’t be allowed to dodge the eventual public enquiry.

Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

What's next for us then?

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:13 pm The pantomime season is back then.


How many months ago do we think they decided on there being a dangerous “new” variant was going to be the reason they “had” to cancel Xmas and therefore won’t be blamed.


This has been planned and story boarded for months.


They mustn’t be allowed to dodge the eventual public enquiry.

Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

Blimey! You got a mole in Downing St then?

frodder wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm
Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

What's next for us then?

Notice they extended Fulough till the end April last week, but we’re unable to put today’s changes in front of Parliament while it still sat.

There’s been 1,000’s of strains known since the beginning of the pandemic, how this particular strain spreads more quickly is clearly the most hilarious lie.

Think now for all the coming tier 4’s who’ve ordered for the season (both business and personal) . And how they’ll cope.

This has been planned all along. They’re evil.

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:45 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm

SaintK wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm
Planned? I don't think they know the meaning of that word

Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

Blimey! You got a mole in Downing St then?

Don’t be silly.

https://www.gisaid.org/


The new variant.


They’re clearly pissing up our leg and telling us it’s raining.


Patrick Vallance is on a role now though.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:45 pm

frodder wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm



Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

What's next for us then?

Notice they extended Fulough till the end April last week, but we’re unable to put today’s changes in front of Parliament while it still sat.

There’s been 1,000’s of strains known since the beginning of the pandemic, how this particular strain spreads more quickly is clearly the most hilarious lie.

Think now for all the coming tier 4’s who’ve ordered for the season (both business and personal) . And how they’ll cope.

This has been planned all along. They’re evil.

jeez the butchers are going to be offloading turkeys like no tomorrow poor bastards

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:45 pm

frodder wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:34 pm



Stop being so naive, they planned the Nov lockdown as early as August (don’t ask how I know this, but I know it’s true).

This is about the eventual enquiry nothing more. It’s genuinely evil.

What's next for us then?

Notice they extended Fulough till the end April last week, but we’re unable to put today’s changes in front of Parliament while it still sat.

There’s been 1,000’s of strains known since the beginning of the pandemic, how this particular strain spreads more quickly is clearly the most hilarious lie.

Think now for all the coming tier 4’s who’ve ordered for the season (both business and personal) . And how they’ll cope.

This has been planned all along. They’re evil.

BJ still clinging to the line that everything will be better by Easter

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:45 pm

frodder wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pm

What's next for us then?

Notice they extended Fulough till the end April last week, but we’re unable to put today’s changes in front of Parliament while it still sat.

There’s been 1,000’s of strains known since the beginning of the pandemic, how this particular strain spreads more quickly is clearly the most hilarious lie.

Think now for all the coming tier 4’s who’ve ordered for the season (both business and personal) . And how they’ll cope.

This has been planned all along. They’re evil.

jeez the butchers are going to be offloading turkeys like no tomorrow poor bastards

Currently my Xmas dinner is in tier 2 and I’m not allowed to go and get it.

Families can spend 1day over Xmas together. No more.

Motorway carnage coming up!!!

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:05 pm Families can spend 1day over Xmas together. No more.

Motorway carnage coming up!!!

Also where people were going to spread out their visits over 5 days they’ll now all crowd into the space on one.

It’s proper madness.

Boris: “The virus has changed its method of attack”

Utter bollocking bullshitting liar!!! Trump would be ashamed of that one!

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:09 pm Boris: “The virus has changed its method of attack”

Utter bollocking bullshitting liar!!! Trump would be ashamed of that one!

Yep, and Whitty and Valance standing next him are endorsing that non scientific bullshit.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:09 pm Boris: “The virus has changed its method of attack”

Utter bollocking bullshitting liar!!! Trump would be ashamed of that one!

The sentient virus
The Tories really have fecked up time and time again. Boris

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:05 pm Families can spend 1day over Xmas together. No more.

Motorway carnage coming up!!!

really? we have just rung round cancelling Christmas

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:05 pm Families can spend 1day over Xmas together. No more.

Motorway carnage coming up!!!

really? we have just rung round cancelling Christmas

You’re Tier 4. Other Tiers can still get together

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:13 pm

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:05 pm Families can spend 1day over Xmas together. No more.

Motorway carnage coming up!!!

really? we have just rung round cancelling Christmas

You’re Tier 4. Other Tiers can still get together

Thanks it was a bit daft my sister was coming from Cornwall