NPR

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:52 pmGroup Hug ?

Not really, give the latest social distancing rules....

Hong Kong wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:13 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:52 pmGroup Hug ?

Not really, give the latest social distancing rules....

I suppose a hand job is out of the question then

Right. Not read the last few pages so this is my view.

1. Why the fuck wasn't this done sooner.
2. How can people scream and shout about something that evolves and changes, then say, why didn't you warn us.
3. Ban alcohol sales and I'll be the first out armed with a pitchfork. .

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:52 pmGroup Hug ?

You can stick your communistic, namby pamby sentiments thanks very much.

Oh ok, if you insist! Just be gentle with me.

Going in dry, brace yourself. .

Fuaci seems to be one of the good guys.

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:21 pm

Hong Kong wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:13 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:52 pmGroup Hug ?

Not really, give the latest social distancing rules....

I suppose a hand job is out of the question then

I have long arms....

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:39 pm Fuaci seems to be one of the good guys.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:58 pm

“4.5 billion Covid vaccines were sold by Big Pharma for the 5th year in a row in what has been described as their biggest windfall yet...”

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:41 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:58 pm

“4.5 billion Covid vaccines were sold by Big Pharma for the 5th year in a row in what has been described as their biggest windfall yet...”

If creating & dispensing those vaccines result in less people having to be hospitalized; & less hours lost to their employers; then the free marketeers have nothing to complain about; because the horrible socialist health systems are working to make them more money; while the fucked up 'free market', health care systems are leaving them without workers to put put Part A in Place B.

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:53 pm Well, we were going to spend Christmas with my parents, but that's out, so we have no food laid in. I will therefore improvise by foraging at the off licence which does a sideline in eclectic foodstuffs.

Christmas Dinner will consist of Polish sausage marinated in Sanatogen Original Tonic wine, served on a bed of Super Noodles, with a side order of scampi fries and pork scratchings. Pudding will be a family sized Galaxy bar garnished with the best of 3 packets for a pound Buzz sweets.

Bottle sandwiches?

The sense I get from talking to my mates about Tier 4 and Christmas is that everyone is cutting back their plans. Not many doing nothing at all, we won’t see March style compliance, but it will be less of a car crash than it otherwise would be

So now this is the run up to making us get out Covid passports in May next year.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:26 am So now this is the run up to making us get out Covid passports in May next year.

Some smartphone app will be rolled out in 2343

Oh good, looks like we may have caused the mutation.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:35 am Oh good, looks like we may have caused the mutation.

Spoiler

Show

Can we name it the Boris Virus?

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:35 am Oh good, looks like we may have caused the mutation.

The mutation that appears to increase infection rates is a spike deletion. The same deletion has occurred in at least two other mutations:

"There are at least three lineages circulating with that deletion. The Danish mink lineage (which jumped into humans) with the spike Y453F mutation, a widespread lineage with the spike N439K and most recently a lineage in the UK with N501Y."

So I don't think we can blame the deletion solely on the use of plasma; its just one of a number of naturally occurring mutations.

Lobby wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:10 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:35 am Oh good, looks like we may have caused the mutation.

The mutation that appears to increase infection rates is a spike deletion. The same deletion has occurred in at least two other mutations:

"There are at least three lineages circulating with that deletion. The Danish mink lineage (which jumped into humans) with the spike Y453F mutation, a widespread lineage with the spike N439K and most recently a lineage in the UK with N501Y."

So I don't think we can blame the deletion solely on the use of plasma; its just one of a number of naturally occurring mutations.

One of the interesting things about virus evolution is that there’s a tendency to become more contagious and cause less severe illness. Which makes sense - a more successful virus will transmit more if it doesn’t make people ill, so that they can continue to interact with others. In some ways, causing severe illness is a detriment for a virus as it stops it spreading so effectively. It’s why there are so many Grouped together as common cold viruses, it’s almost a convergent evolution trait for viruses.

Lobby wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:01 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:53 pm Well, we were going to spend Christmas with my parents, but that's out, so we have no food laid in. I will therefore improvise by foraging at the off licence which does a sideline in eclectic foodstuffs.

Christmas Dinner will consist of Polish sausage marinated in Sanatogen Original Tonic wine, served on a bed of Super Noodles, with a side order of scampi fries and pork scratchings. Pudding will be a family sized Galaxy bar garnished with the best of 3 packets for a pound Buzz sweets.

We have the opposite problem; lots of food, but no one to eat it now.

Ditto we have gone from 12 to 3

tc27 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:22 pm I bet the whole of England is going to go into tier 4 within a month.

I genuinely don't see how it can be avoided

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:31 pm

Lobby wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:01 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:53 pm Well, we were going to spend Christmas with my parents, but that's out, so we have no food laid in. I will therefore improvise by foraging at the off licence which does a sideline in eclectic foodstuffs.

Christmas Dinner will consist of Polish sausage marinated in Sanatogen Original Tonic wine, served on a bed of Super Noodles, with a side order of scampi fries and pork scratchings. Pudding will be a family sized Galaxy bar garnished with the best of 3 packets for a pound Buzz sweets.

We have the opposite problem; lots of food, but no one to eat it now.

Ditto we have gone from 12 to 3

Either

Donate to charity

Or

Saves you stocking up for Brexit

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:46 pm

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:31 pm

Lobby wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:01 pm

We have the opposite problem; lots of food, but no one to eat it now.

Ditto we have gone from 12 to 3

Either

Donate to charity

Or

Saves you stocking up for Brexit

its selfishly stocking up that will cause shortages should there be any. Frankly the population is fairly obese and a few food shortages won't do anyone any harm...

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:38 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:22 pm I bet the whole of England is going to go into tier 4 within a month.

I genuinely don't see how it can be avoided

Agreed but in a smaller time frame

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:51 pm

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:38 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:22 pm I bet the whole of England is going to go into tier 4 within a month.

I genuinely don't see how it can be avoided

Agreed but in a smaller time frame

if they think that's the case they should do it now, after all we are all in it together...

Lobby wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:10 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:35 am Oh good, looks like we may have caused the mutation.

The mutation that appears to increase infection rates is a spike deletion. The same deletion has occurred in at least two other mutations:

"There are at least three lineages circulating with that deletion. The Danish mink lineage (which jumped into humans) with the spike Y453F mutation, a widespread lineage with the spike N439K and most recently a lineage in the UK with N501Y."

So I don't think we can blame the deletion solely on the use of plasma; its just one of a number of naturally occurring mutations.

One of many thousands of mutations.

I’m still sceptical of the 70% increase in its transmission ability though, it’s been in circulation since September.

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:51 pm

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:38 pm

tc27 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:22 pm I bet the whole of England is going to go into tier 4 within a month.

I genuinely don't see how it can be avoided

Agreed but in a smaller time frame

Depends on how much dithering goes on befeore it is announced

SaintK wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:57 pm

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:51 pm

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:38 pm

I genuinely don't see how it can be avoided

Agreed but in a smaller time frame

Depends on how much dithering goes on befeore it is announced

Take decisive action like in Wales with their firebreak..... they’ve only got nearly 10x the infection rate of England now.


More seriously it depends on avoiding parliamentary scrutiny.

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:31 pm

Lobby wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:01 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:53 pm Well, we were going to spend Christmas with my parents, but that's out, so we have no food laid in. I will therefore improvise by foraging at the off licence which does a sideline in eclectic foodstuffs.

Christmas Dinner will consist of Polish sausage marinated in Sanatogen Original Tonic wine, served on a bed of Super Noodles, with a side order of scampi fries and pork scratchings. Pudding will be a family sized Galaxy bar garnished with the best of 3 packets for a pound Buzz sweets.

We have the opposite problem; lots of food, but no one to eat it now.

Ditto we have gone from 12 to 3

Multiply that by 1000’s of pubs and restaurants who post the Government saying they won’t cancel Xmas confirmed their orders. My local pub offered its dozen turkeys out on Facebook today , this is the final nail in the hospitality industry coffin.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:59 pm

SaintK wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:57 pm

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:51 pm

Agreed but in a smaller time frame

Depends on how much dithering goes on befeore it is announced

Take decisive action like in Wales with their firebreak..... they’ve only got nearly 10x the infection rate of England now.


More seriously it depends on avoiding parliamentary scrutiny.

Downing St have dithered since day 1
Nothing's going to get scrutinised whilst parliament is in recess.
Decisions are still being made by a cabal of 4, Johnson, Gove, Hancock, and Sunak and a few advisers with no collective cabinet decisions. Not that there would be any dissent as they owe their positions to their "loyalty" to the PM in his leadership campaign or the BRexit referendum campaign.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:42 pm

That goes against the PR machine that's working overtime atm

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:16 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:42 pm

That goes against the PR machine that's working overtime atm

For a virologist, no, it probably doesn't. It's not more deadly, it perhaps isn't going to interfere with vaccine efforts, it could have been far worse. But that doesn't mean we can just ignore it.

frodder wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:16 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:42 pm

That goes against the PR machine that's working overtime atm

It’s going to be like the stupid 4,000 deaths a day fairly soon.

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:48 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:46 pm

Openside wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:31 pm

Ditto we have gone from 12 to 3

Either

Donate to charity

Or

Saves you stocking up for Brexit

its selfishly stocking up that will cause shortages should there be any. Frankly the population is fairly obese and a few food shortages won't do anyone any harm...

Point I’m making is you don’t need to.

Manchester Tier 3, London Tier 4. Hopefully that cunt Andy Burnham will STFU for a few days.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:16 pm Manchester Tier 3, London Tier 4. Hopefully that cunt Andy Burnham will STFU for a few days.

That and his best Scouser mate on a charge combined but he won't

Tier 4 and London airports are still open. This Govt is just playing at pandemics.