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Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm**

Horrible just horrible, Sinkler, Goerge Itoje, Curry, JVP, Farrell, should all be dropped, they were utter gash. Dombrandt was poor, only starting forwards worth their spot were Chessum, Ludlum and Sinkler. Smith was pretty ordinary by his standards, but he was working with not much. Marchant the same, Malins made the.most of what he was given and OHC didnt get enough ball to realky do anything . Youngs coming on was utter gash, the rest were ok.

There was nothing positive to take from that game nothing changes my view that England are at best 4th place, but likely 5th.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:09 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:02 pm I'd also say that this was a match that England were on top in for quite some time. It was a good close game - had England grabbed a fourth try and not Scotland, I don't think many Scots would be impressed if we started claiming your players aren't up to it.
C'mon now. The English have been doing it pretty continually for decades.

Which decades are we talking about?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:38 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:23 pm Well that was much needed antidote to the earlier game. Congrats Scotland.

Russell Watch.
1st half
• Excellent to spot the gap when Farrell decided he was FH and flew up. Try Sco.
• Tried to be too clever (or shat the bed) for the poor hack though by Eng. Try Eng.
• Crabbed sideways on a promising attack. Smashed by Farrell, chance gone.
• Just as he did for Racing against LaR last week, misses easy conversion.
• 35 mins and he overplays it again. Kick is too deep and 2 mins of possession later, try Eng. Harsh? Good sides punish loose kicking.
• Watch him for the 42 min penalty. Headless chicken running around in defence and misses at least 2 tackles.
• Restarts throughout the half were on the nail. But they don’t yield points.

2nd half
o Good covering from kick through when Eng wasted an advantage.
o Poor pass to Ritchie who should have taken it but it was dying and not in front of the man.
o 56 minute kick “got that one horribly wrong”.
o 57 minutes, misses tackle on Smith. Tuipolotu’s not missed tackle on Smith saves Sco.
o 65 mins Russell gets a pen after running up a blind alley but Earl screws up. Sometimes cookie crumbles your way.
o 66 mins, crossfield kick correct option for potential try but execution not good enough for a toughie.
o 71 mins and Kinghorn gives Russell a high pressure pass. Should have gone for touch but didn’t. Split second choice but it was the wrong one or the right one poorly executed.
o 73 mins kicks direct to touch.
o 74 minute Sco try. 2 good passes by Russell in the build up but you’d expect any decent FH to have made them and a stretch to credit him with anything decisive in the try. V. good conversion.

It’s what he does week after week for Racing. Mixed moments of magic and madness. By my reckoning it was a significant net deficit this time just as it was v Quins a few weeks back. In neither game did it change the result but that’s immaterial to the individual performance.

Is there any chance you could just shut the feck up about Russell? Your fixation with him is beyond tedious. We get it, you don’t like him. But could we just enjoy a famous win, in which he played a key part, without your ridiculous over-analysis of literally everything he does? You must have been sitting watching with a notebook.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:39 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:26 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:23 pm We’re talking about a game where had England tackled a bloke they failed to five times after an average kick they would have won. Easy to overthink
Is commitment to your New Year’s resolution being tested??

Not really, have endured already the messages from the Scottish family, just felt being there we were very close to winning that and the difference was failing to tackle VdM

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:40 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm Horrible just horrible, Sinkler, Goerge Itoje, Curry, JVP, Farrell, should all be dropped, they were utter gash. Dombrandt was poor, only starting forwards worth their spot were Chessum, Ludlum and Genge. Smith was pretty ordinary by his standards, but he was working with not much. Marchant the same, Malins made the.most of what he was given and OHC didnt get enough ball to realky do anything . Youngs coming on was utter gash, the rest were ok.

There was nothing positive to take from that game nothing changes my view that England are at best 4th place, but likely 5th.

I’m quite confused about what you thought of Sinckler??

Did you mean Genge in one of those sentences??

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:50 pm**

That was an entertaining Afternoon.

Tested a local traditional restaurant (got a large entrecote and drank some nice Nuit St George)

Both games were nice. I'll miss tomorrows 1st half as we play at 3 (CET).

Got a real interesting beer in the afternoon.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:03 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:40 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm Horrible just horrible, Sinkler, Goerge Itoje, Curry, JVP, Farrell, should all be dropped, they were utter gash. Dombrandt was poor, only starting forwards worth their spot were Chessum, Ludlum and Genge. Smith was pretty ordinary by his standards, but he was working with not much. Marchant the same, Malins made the.most of what he was given and OHC didnt get enough ball to realky do anything . Youngs coming on was utter gash, the rest were ok.

There was nothing positive to take from that game nothing changes my view that England are at best 4th place, but likely 5th.
I’m quite confused about what you thought of Sinckler??

Did you mean Genge in one of those sentences??

Yep, edited, Sinkler was very poor, he adds nothing, no carries, and not particularly effective in the scrum, Genge was ok in the svrum but good in the loose.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:04 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:50 pm That was an entertaining Afternoon.

Tested a local traditional restaurant (got a large entrecote and drank some nice Nuit St George)

Both games were nice. I'll miss tomorrows 1st half as we play at 3 (CET).

Got a real interesting beer in the afternoon.

I spent a few summers climbing based in Chamonix, is the brewery anywhere near there?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:16 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:04 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:50 pm That was an entertaining Afternoon.

Tested a local traditional restaurant (got a large entrecote and drank some nice Nuit St George)

Both games were nice. I'll miss tomorrows 1st half as we play at 3 (CET).

Got a real interesting beer in the afternoon.

I spent a few summers climbing based in Chamonix, is the brewery anywhere near there?

Motte-Servolex it is a "new" brewer quite inventive too, not that close from the station (Chambery).

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:21 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:03 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:40 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm Horrible just horrible, Sinkler, Goerge Itoje, Curry, JVP, Farrell, should all be dropped, they were utter gash. Dombrandt was poor, only starting forwards worth their spot were Chessum, Ludlum and Genge. Smith was pretty ordinary by his standards, but he was working with not much. Marchant the same, Malins made the.most of what he was given and OHC didnt get enough ball to realky do anything . Youngs coming on was utter gash, the rest were ok.

There was nothing positive to take from that game nothing changes my view that England are at best 4th place, but likely 5th.
I’m quite confused about what you thought of Sinckler??

Did you mean Genge in one of those sentences??

Yep, edited, Sinkler was very poor, he adds nothing, no carries, and not particularly effective in the scrum, Genge was ok in the svrum but good in the loose.

Sinckler made ten carries and some of his passes at the line led to huge inroads as well. If that's "very poor" then what the fuck do we call the people who actually, you know, made mistakes or gave away penalties or actually didn't show up much? Why is it always "good" or "worthless" with you?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:28 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:09 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:02 pm I'd also say that this was a match that England were on top in for quite some time. It was a good close game - had England grabbed a fourth try and not Scotland, I don't think many Scots would be impressed if we started claiming your players aren't up to it.
C'mon now. The English have been doing it pretty continually for decades.
Which decades are we talking about?

Pretty much continually for the last 4 at least, save for the odd occasion. Are you actually trying to suggest the English media and rugby supporters don't generally disparage Scotland's rugby efforts. That's an odd stance to take

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:38 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:09 pm

C'mon now. The English have been doing it pretty continually for decades.
Which decades are we talking about?
Pretty much continually for the last 4 at least, save for the odd occasion. Are you actually trying to suggest the English media and rugby supporters don't generally disparage Scotland's rugby efforts. That's an odd stance to take

Given you've been perennially talked up by our media as dark horses since about 2010, and that our media constantly referred to 1990 and 2000 when we were on a long winning streak against you, and that over the last 15 years or so you've beaten us several times and drawn a few more, with only a couple of our wins being thumpings... Well yeah, I am saying that. Our media has disparaged us a lot more than you.

Dunno what our supporters say. I expect like for every country's supporters without fail, they hold an entire range of opinions.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:45 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:38 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:36 pm
Which decades are we talking about?
Pretty much continually for the last 4 at least, save for the odd occasion. Are you actually trying to suggest the English media and rugby supporters don't generally disparage Scotland's rugby efforts. That's an odd stance to take
Given you've been perennially talked up by our media as dark horses since about 2010, and that our media constantly referred to 1990 and 2000 when we were on a long winning streak against you

Referred to them as being a long time ago, perhaps!

Talked up as dark horses since about 2010? Pull the other one!

You forget, lots of us live in England and we can see for ourselves how one eyed almost all the English media are. And the fans have mostly been, let's say, unhumble other than very, very recently.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:48 pm**

Okay.

Enjoy your well deserved win chaps.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:52 pm**

Didn't see the game but just saw the snip of Van der Merwe's try, what a beauty

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:54 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:16 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:04 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:50 pm That was an entertaining Afternoon.

Tested a local traditional restaurant (got a large entrecote and drank some nice Nuit St George)

Both games were nice. I'll miss tomorrows 1st half as we play at 3 (CET).

Got a real interesting beer in the afternoon.

I spent a few summers climbing based in Chamonix, is the brewery anywhere near there?
Motte-Servolex it is a "new" brewer quite inventive too, not that close from the station (Chambery).

Have you ever tried the MCB microbrewery in Chamonix?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:58 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:52 pm Didn't see the game but just saw the snip of Van der Merwe's try, what a beauty

It was amazing. I don’t quite know how he had the energy or strength to fend off that last tackle, but it was magic.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:14 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:54 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:16 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:04 pm

I spent a few summers climbing based in Chamonix, is the brewery anywhere near there?
Motte-Servolex it is a "new" brewer quite inventive too, not that close from the station (Chambery).
Have you ever tried the MCB microbrewery in Chamonix?

nope (not been in the alps for a long while)

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm**

Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:43 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today

Yep. Edinburgh and Scotland have been the making of DvdM, which is why I feel OK about having him in the team, despite the thick Afrikaner accent.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:54 pm**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:43 pm

Yep. Edinburgh and Scotland have been the making of DvdM, which is why I feel OK about having him in the team, despite the thick Afrikaner accent.

As someone on the Glasgow forum said after his POTM interview, he is sounding a bit more Morningside these days :-)

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:08 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:03 pm . Scotland have a proper soft underbelly

What exactly do you mean by this?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:09 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today

A good illustration of just how tough head coaching is as a job.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:14 pm**

Signal failure at Willesden, a fine advert for watching on the sofa and not caring about the result

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:16 pm**

If England don't improve PDQ, this could be a very long 6N for us.

Italy will certainly fancy their chances next week and the Welsh will be fired up for the cripple fight against us 2 weeks later - then we face France and Ireland - they'll tear us apart if we defencd like we did today.

Yikes !!

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:18 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:13 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:08 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:03 pm . Scotland have a proper soft underbelly

What exactly do you mean by this?
I think a team willing to grind them down will win all day every day. They are the Japanese of the 6 nations and we won't lose to those fucking cunts EVER AGAIN.

So you mean the Scottish pack is shite, is that it?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:19 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today

That's very interesting, thanks. Apparently his attitude hasn't been all that impressive since he rejoined Edinburgh but when he can do stuff like he did today...

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:21 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:13 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:08 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:03 pm . Scotland have a proper soft underbelly

What exactly do you mean by this?
I think a team willing to grind them down will win all day every day. They are the Japanese of the 6 nations and we won't lose to those fucking cunts EVER AGAIN.

You ok there chief?

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:21 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:09 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today
A good illustration of just how tough head coaching is as a job.

Yeah, coaches and players get it the same.

Look at the vitriol on here for Eddie Jones.

Keyboard warriors should try to coach at their local minis at least

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:21 pm**

BTW I reckon Russell shagged that torquemada boy's burd.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:25 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:14 pm Signal failure at Willesden, a fine advert for watching on the sofa and not caring about the result

Nightmare!

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:25 pm**

LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:19 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today
That's very interesting, thanks. Apparently his attitude hasn't been all that impressive since he rejoined Edinburgh but when he can do stuff like he did today...

I have no personal insight, all I know is the facts from out here - he left Edinburgh, the club he joined went under, he was made redundant but quickly rejoined Edinburgh with a bank-busting contract. He went to South Africa to get married whilst injured and now he is back playing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:28 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:22 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:18 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:13 pm

I think a team willing to grind them down will win all day every day. They are the Japanese of the 6 nations and we won't lose to those fucking cunts EVER AGAIN.

So you mean the Scottish pack is shite, is that it?
Your ma is shite

Do you really think you are funny in any way?

You try way too hard

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:32 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:25 pm
LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:19 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:26 pm Richard Cockerill saved Duhan van der Merwe's career. He was out of contract, no club and had a very badly injured hip. No one was interested in him. He failed his medical at Edinburgh, but Cockerill had seen enough from his time in France to make him go to the SRU and press the case for getting van der Merwe into an operating theatre and rehab after.

It was a big personal move from Cockerill, he put a lot of his own reputation on the line for Duhan and it has paid off handsomely.

Cockers ultimately fucked up at Edinburgh, but not everything he did was bad.

England are getting rid of Richard Cockerill, maybe the failings are not all down to him and the previous regime, maybe they are, I don't know, but all I do know is that without Cockers' intervention, we would not have seen van der Merwe on the park for Scotland today
That's very interesting, thanks. Apparently his attitude hasn't been all that impressive since he rejoined Edinburgh but when he can do stuff like he did today...

I have no personal insight, all I know is the facts from out here - he left Edinburgh, the club he joined went under, he was made redundant but quickly rejoined Edinburgh with a bank-busting contract. He went to South Africa to get married whilst injured and now he is back playing.

Aye but for instance he posted a video of him having a race against his brother on the beach in SA. Full on sprinting. As I say, he can do things no one else in the world can so he can get as much leeway as he needs

Posted: **Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:38 pm**

LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:32 pm
Aye but for instance he posted a video of him having a race against his brother on the beach in SA. Full on sprinting. As I say, he can do things no one else in the world can so he can get as much leeway as he needs

I'm all for that.

There are very many worse places for a couple in their twenties to live than Edinburgh, especially with a very good income.

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:18 am**

LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:21 pm BTW I reckon Russell shagged that torquemada boy's burd.

We’ve been saying that for years. TBH, with what we know about Russell, it’s entirely possible.

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:20 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:13 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:08 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:03 pm . Scotland have a proper soft underbelly

What exactly do you mean by this?
I think a team willing to grind them down will win all day every day. They are the Japanese of the 6 nations and we won't lose to those fucking cunts EVER AGAIN.

Aye pal, whatever you say

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:22 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:16 am
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:28 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:22 pm

Your ma is shite
Do you really think you are funny in any way?

You try way too hard
Your ma isn't very try hard. Its just a thing

really, is this funny where you're from?

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:27 am**

what a ring piece

Posted: **Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:02 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:25 am Scotland are fucking shite in every way from start to finish. There I said it

Yeah, we were shite today when we beat a country with ten times the number of pro players and population. Stinking we were while getting that bonus point. And for the last six games against England when we've only lost once. We're terrible.

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