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Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:35 pm**

spike wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:32 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:19 pm
lemonhead wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:14 pm

If Anderson was in charge they certainly would be, the rotters.

Strange time to get worked up about the TV director. It's been around nearly a decade now
Hang on, this is about the Lowe try?

TMO is in van with more angles than we see on TV. He's not just reviewing what we see on TV. He's running many angles at the same time to judge grounding.

The problem was Barnes saying onfield try.
that reverse angle though definitely showed the ground contact, so presumably the tmo didnt have it available

The reverse angle we all saw. The one that we saw the TMO talking over?

It certainly looked like his foot may have kissed the ground but the TMO will have zoomed in closely on that and his point wasn't that it definitely didn't but that it wasn't definite that it did. He has to be conclusive and touching the top of the grass doesn't count.

Look, I'd have no complaints if it wasn't given but you'd need to be in the van to say that the TMO definitely got it wrong.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:33 pm
Dupont however, just head and shoulders above everyone else right now

His try saving tackle on Hansen

Not a tackle. More like wrestling.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:38 pm**

Don’t think RTE showed it, but I flicked over and ITV certainly did. Clear toe of boot trailing on the line/in touch. SFA doubt for me. But I care not a jot. French tv editors have been humping Anglos for decades on that shit. They can fucken bite me. I taste of cheese and onions.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:33 pm
Dupont however, just head and shoulders above everyone else right now
His try saving tackle on Hansen

Not a tackle. More like wrestling.

Epic. Proper Sparta moment.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm
iarmhí wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:15 pm Jalibert will start next day
His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm**

That was some match.

We also left three tries behind us, which will be a work on, though I'm not sure any of the remaining teams have the pack to stop us on the line like France did.

Tom O'Toole was a revelation, though I'm not sure he actually propped ?

It was great to see Kelleher back and playing well also.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:31 pm It shows why Galthie preferred the kick and chase too
When we try to keep ball in hand we struggled to gain ground. We are better in broken play. However with the new way of referring rucks, turnovers will be rarer.

France have a mountain to climb.

This really isn't that hard to grasp. France had plenty of fwd momentum in this game but whenever the ball goes from 9 to 10, then struggles happen BECAUSE Ntamack
- stands too deep
- kicks the ball away aimlessly
- never takes the ball to the line: just runs sideways and so eats up any space created
- and today, his passing was beyond sh*t. He grassed the ball at least 3x and did a Russell special with an intercept pass

In the end, the backs, including Dupont, resort to off the cuff stuff in frustration.

Go back to where Dupont grassed the ball near the tryline: where TF was Ntamack? I'll tell you: nowhere. I00% if Jalibert had been at FH, he'd have been there to take the pass like he did last week off Tao.

Will be interesting to see what Bernol says after this one because Ntamack rated about 3 today.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm**

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:42 pm**

dob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm
iarmhí wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:15 pm Jalibert will start next day
His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.
Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Wasn't aware Ringrose is a forward.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:42 pm**

dob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm
iarmhí wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:15 pm Jalibert will start next day
His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.
Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Nah, think they mean Jalibert being fended off by Ringeose en route…

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:43 pm**

As far as I can recall the game has ended and the try was given.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:43 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:25 pm
redderneck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:24 pm Doris’ pass out of contact. I think I owe the Mrs a new set of curtains.
He has it all.

Ringrose just handed off a French defender like he wasn’t there

Handed him off, and tripped the following two chasing defenders with the discarded body.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:43 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Take my word for it. ITV showed clear foot in touch, right at the back end of multiple angles being shown to their pundits.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:43 pm**

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:43 pm As far as I can recall the game has ended and the try was given.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:44 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:44 pm**

Bierne, Porter, Keenan, Doris, Lowe, Penaud, Flament and Dupont all stood out today. Strong showings from each of these men.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:45 pm**

Right. Dusts Tayto crumbs off and turns back to the telly. Scotland, Wales, entertain us!

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:45 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:44 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?
It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

As I said, show me where it says six nations TMO's are at the mercy of local TV directors and I'll take my beating.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:45 pm**

redderneck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:42 pm
dob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.
Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.
Nah, think they mean Jalibert being fended off by Ringeose en route…

The frustrating thing is that Ringrose wasn't quite en route then.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm**

dob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm
iarmhí wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:15 pm Jalibert will start next day
His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.
Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

He should never have been made to play at FB. Might as well have stuck him in at prop. I really wonder whether Galthie did it out of spite.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:31 pm It shows why Galthie preferred the kick and chase too
When we try to keep ball in hand we struggled to gain ground. We are better in broken play. However with the new way of referring rucks, turnovers will be rarer.

France have a mountain to climb.
This really isn't that hard to grasp. France had plenty of fwd momentum in this game but whenever the ball goes from 9 to 10, then struggles happen BECAUSE Ntamack
- stands too deep
- kicks the ball away aimlessly
- never takes the ball to the line: just runs sideways and so eats up any space created
- and today, his passing was beyond sh*t. He grassed the ball at least 3x and did a Russell special with an intercept pass

In the end, the backs, including Dupont, resort to off the cuff stuff in frustration.

Go back to where Dupont grassed the ball near the tryline: where TF was Ntamack? I'll tell you: nowhere. I00% if Jalibert had been at FH, he'd have been there to take the pass like he did last week off Tao.

Will be interesting to see what Bernol says after this one because Ntamack rated about 3 today.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:47 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:44 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?
It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

You’re French. You haven’t trusted anyone since you heard your maman screaming at the midwife to put that scissors down as she leaned in to the umbilical cord.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm
dob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:39 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:22 pm

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.
Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.
He should never have been made to play at FB. Might as well have stuck him in at prop. I really wonder whether Galthie did it out of spite.

He was not in a fullback position to make that tackle. He was right on the defensive line with the rest of the players.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:50 pm**

Hmmmmmmm. Tasty.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:50 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Yes. Sobering news. I never imagine the Irish could be cheats.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:51 pm**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:50 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.
Yes. Sobering news. I never imagine the Irish could be cheats.

In your court to establish that.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:53 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:55 pm**

bogbunny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:53 pm
Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Plenty of hairy asses around.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:55 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:41 pm Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Lowe would have known his foot touched hence his reaction after the event. Not saying he needed to do anything but he had some expectation it would be ruled out.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:56 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:55 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.
Lowe would have known his foot touched hence his reaction after the event. Not saying he needed to do anything but he had some expectation it would be ruled out.

I assumed it was because he thought he grounded in touch.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:58 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:19 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:18 pm How is it no one is discussing the fact that Bealams pass to Keenan was forward.
Are you supporting France or what

Erm I am neutral it just looked obviously forward to me

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:01 pm**

bogbunny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:53 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:46 pm

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.
Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Funny how we can all look at it and come away with different views on a slightly muddy law, excuse the pun.

Damning and shameless or a 50/50 benefit of the doubt?

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:06 pm**

BERNOL RATINGS

- Ramos 3
- Moefana 4
- Ntamack 4
- Alldritt 4 (not sure how he gets the same as Ntamack. Whilst he was way too quiet, nowhere near as many foul ups as Ntamack.
- Willemse 3
- Atonio 4

With those performances, the result really wasn't being contested. For those in France, the score is out of 10 and not from 5.......

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:06 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:58 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:19 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:18 pm How is it no one is discussing the fact that Bealams pass to Keenan was forward.
Are you supporting France or what
Erm I am neutral it just looked obviously forward to me

Barnes and forward passes. Nobody comments any longer.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:10 pm**

lemonhead wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:01 pm
bogbunny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:53 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:48 pm

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.
Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.
Funny how we can all look at it and come away with different views on a slightly muddy law, excuse the pun.

Damning and shameless or a 50/50 benefit of the doubt?

Doesn't look conclusive to me

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:10 pm**

Saw the last 10 mins while sat in the changing room. Summary anyone?

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:11 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:06 pm BERNOL RATINGS

- Ramos 3
- Moefana 4
- Ntamack 4
- Alldritt 4 (not sure how he gets the same as Ntamack. Whilst he was way too quiet, nowhere near as many foul ups as Ntamack.
- Willemse 3
- Atonio 4

With those performances, the result really wasn't being contested. For those in France, the score is out of 10 and not from 5.......

Willemse 3/10 seems harsh. Plus numerous French forwards in the 20+ tackle stats by full time.

Ntamack and Alldrit the only no shows for me, but then I wasn't watching your lads as closely.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:12 pm**

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:10 pm Saw the last 10 mins while sat in the changing room. Summary anyone?

A game that Ireland controlled most of the time, except for an freak counter attack try by France and 10-15 minutes in the second half. 4 tries scored, held up 3 times. Sums it up.

Strategically, tactically and mentally, Ireland were the better team and the score reflects the gap between the two teams.

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