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Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:56 am Oh please, you said exactly that. You said they don’t care about legislation, they will make the journey because they are so desperate.

I added the in France bit, because it showed how ludicrous the comments were.

This is a confusing post. You say you didn’t make it up then admit you made it up

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:39 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:56 am Oh please, you said exactly that. You said they don’t care about legislation, they will make the journey because they are so desperate.

I added the in France bit, because it showed how ludicrous the comments were.

This is a confusing post. You say you didn’t make it up then admit you made it up

Simpleton - I even put it in brackets ffs

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:49 am

Simian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:39 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:56 am Oh please, you said exactly that. You said they don’t care about legislation, they will make the journey because they are so desperate.

I added the in France bit, because it showed how ludicrous the comments were.

This is a confusing post. You say you didn’t make it up then admit you made it up

Simpleton - I even put it in brackets ffs

Well, if you’re going to continue putting stuff you’ve made up in brackets, it will certainly make your posts easier to follow.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:45 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:15 am The Australian solution, eh?

A corruption riddled operation that has cost billions and seen shelf companies with no holdings awarded multi million dollar contracts,, local politicians in the islands rewarded with dodgy business dealings and more, all to keep a few hundred people in cruel and inhumane conditions with no hope or promise of proper processing, just for the sake of cruelty.

There are multiple stories surfacing regarding this operation...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5dr4q.html

The main lesson to be learned from Australia's handling of boat arrivals is not to emulate any.single.fucken.thing we've done in that space.

One S. Braverman is intrigued by this notion of relocating refugees into space and would like to hear more

DAC: you see Stradey went bust and new owners have stuffed it with asylum seekers:

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-08- ... park-hotel

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:37 pm DAC: you see Stradey went bust and new owners have stuffed it with asylum seekers:

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-08- ... park-hotel

It didn't go bust, Torq, they made 100 staff redundant to make way for the migrants.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... s-27321942

Also, this is the second time they tried to move the men in (no women or children) the locals didn't let it happen first time around

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66292345

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:06 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:37 pm DAC: you see Stradey went bust and new owners have stuffed it with asylum seekers:

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-08- ... park-hotel

It didn't go bust, Torq, they made 100 staff redundant to make way for the migrants.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... s-27321942

Also, this is the second time they tried to move the men in (no women or children) the locals didn't let it happen first time around

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66292345

Pity. Always liked it as a venue.

1500 !!! In 7 days

£4.3k per month for housing (can’t be right??)

= £6.5m extra per month for this batch

= £78.4 million extra per year tax payers money.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:19 pm

1500 !!! In 7 days

£4.3k per month for housing (can’t be right??)

= £6.5m extra per month for this batch

= £78.4 million extra per year tax payers money.

yeah. these brown folk are sooooo expensive.

you know immigrants collectively make the uk economy money, while native uk folk cost it (a ton of) money, right?

and that not helping displaced people and not doing our bit (which we are barely doing) makes us 'cunts'?

no. because you're a total (cunt)

(I put in brackets because, according to you, that makes it 'not something someone said'.)

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:47 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:19 pm

1500 !!! In 7 days

£4.3k per month for housing (can’t be right??)

= £6.5m extra per month for this batch

= £78.4 million extra per year tax payers money.

yeah. these brown folk are sooooo expensive.

you know immigrants collectively make the uk economy money, while native uk folk cost it money, right?

He is an immigrant tbh

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:50 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:47 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:19 pm

1500 !!! In 7 days

£4.3k per month for housing (can’t be right??)

= £6.5m extra per month for this batch

= £78.4 million extra per year tax payers money.

yeah. these brown folk are sooooo expensive.

you know immigrants collectively make the uk economy money, while native uk folk cost it money, right?

He is an immigrant tbh

I don't think pulling up the ladder is constructive, tbh

I find it hard to believe his posts are good faith either. they'd be righty on the DM

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:55 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:50 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:47 pm

yeah. these brown folk are sooooo expensive.

you know immigrants collectively make the uk economy money, while native uk folk cost it money, right?

He is an immigrant tbh

I don't think pulling up the ladder is constructive, tbh

I find it hard to believe his posts are good faith either. they'd be righty on the DM

I assume then he thinks he's the right sort of person allowed to move here?

Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:02 pm Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

yes. I made an additional point. cos its easier than editing.

but I find it telling you think 'multi' instead of actually addressing the point

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:02 pm Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

like, you keep saying how much immigrants cost. and I've always wondered this. Have you actually looked at the stats on this? They're so very different to what you seem to think?

You didn’t have a point, just a cheap snide.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:09 pm You didn’t have a point, just a cheap snide.

I did. How much do you think immigrants cost the UK? and (for comparison) how much do you think the average 'native' costs the UK?

this is a critical thing you keep saying, so I assume you know

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:02 pm Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

like, you keep saying how much immigrants cost. and I've always wondered this. Have you actually looked at the stats on this? They're so very different to what you seem to think?

I really can’t be arsed answering this again. Read the thread if you want. It covers my views and covers what you’re asking.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:13 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:02 pm Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

like, you keep saying how much immigrants cost. and I've always wondered this. Have you actually looked at the stats on this? They're so very different to what you seem to think?

I really can’t be arsed answering this again. Read the thread if you want. It covers my views and covers what you’re asking.

you've never answered it. show me the post if you have.

fwiw, post early 2000s, immigrants to the UK from outside the EU collectively contributed ~+£5B to the UK economy. Over the same period, UK natives took out ~£620B from the UK economy.

Yeah I covered the differences between legal controlled migration and these dinghy men.

It’s there.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:35 pm Yeah I covered the differences between legal controlled migration and these dinghy men.

It’s there.

preventing people finding gainful employment makes it very difficult for them to find gainful employment

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:50 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:35 pm Yeah I covered the differences between legal controlled migration and these dinghy men.

It’s there.

preventing people finding gainful employment makes it very difficult for them to find gainful employment

Should illegal migrants have free access to the employment market or should they be vetted and screened?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:11 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:45 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:15 am The Australian solution, eh?

A corruption riddled operation that has cost billions and seen shelf companies with no holdings awarded multi million dollar contracts,, local politicians in the islands rewarded with dodgy business dealings and more, all to keep a few hundred people in cruel and inhumane conditions with no hope or promise of proper processing, just for the sake of cruelty.

There are multiple stories surfacing regarding this operation...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5dr4q.html

The main lesson to be learned from Australia's handling of boat arrivals is not to emulate any.single.fucken.thing we've done in that space.

One S. Braverman is intrigued by this notion of relocating refugees into space and would like to hear more

It never ends well, just look at displaced people in The Expanse

Could we stop using the term "asylum seekers" and call a spade a spade with the better descriptor "illegal immigrants". Having said that Australia could be doing a far better job of handling this issue.

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:50 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:35 pm Yeah I covered the differences between legal controlled migration and these dinghy men.

It’s there.

preventing people finding gainful employment makes it very difficult for them to find gainful employment

Well, I don’t necessarily disagree for unskilled Labour.

However, many will take issue, as this could impact the job market for many local communities.

I’d most like to see them solidly put to work by our councils. Clearing walkway paths, cleaning pavements, fixing potholes. Community service work.

The gamers would soon be exposed. Or fake injury, as advised by their lawyers.

Simian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:02 pm Did you just mean to reply to yourself with the same login??

like, you keep saying how much immigrants cost. and I've always wondered this. Have you actually looked at the stats on this? They're so very different to what you seem to think?

The figures are a distortion too because it's ALL immigrants and not just the illegal ones. Plus, nobody believes Tory accounting.

Tories very keen to do business with these people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-66545787

Presumably looking to learn a lot about border policing.

This debate needs a frame of reference, facts need to be established before it can progress.

Fact one.
You are not illegal until your claim has been processed, and you have been adjudicated to be illegal.
Just turning up here and seeking refuge is not illegal.
Fact two.
People are entitled to cross the Channel and seek refugee status, in any way they chose.

Fact three.
The mouthy hard done by crybaby taxpayers have completely fucking destroyed the country. Nothing will placate them, no tax cut no amount of death, no Rwanda policy will make them happy. They have self serving contempt for every living thing on this island,and know the cost of everything and the value of absolutely nothing.....and we should tell them to fuck off at every opportunity if we are to ever move forward.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:35 am Tories very keen to do business with these people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-66545787

Presumably looking to learn a lot about border policing.

Modern society is a place where there's a very simple equation played out daily. Money > crimes against humanity.

Firing mortars at refugees is just horrendous.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:09 am This debate needs a frame of reference, facts need to be established before it can progress.

Fact one.
You are not illegal until your claim has been processed, and you have been adjudicated to be illegal.
Just turning up here and seeking refuge is not illegal.
Fact two.
People are entitled to cross the Channel and seek refugee status, in any way they chose.

Fact three.
The mouthy hard done by crybaby taxpayers have completely fucking destroyed the country. Nothing will placate them, no tax cut no amount of death, no Rwanda policy will make them happy. They have self serving contempt for every living thing on this island,and know the cost of everything and the value of absolutely nothing.....and we should tell them to fuck off at every opportunity if we are to ever move forward.

I actually laughed out loud at this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... itain.html

Well this has changed my mind, the sheer bravery.

The best thing about it is how sustainable it is,

TikTok Channel migrant's journey to Britain: Asylum seeker posts series of astonishing videos which show him travelling through France, laughing with friends on a tiny dinghy then watching TV in a luxury UK hotel

OMG, you just put a daily Mail link in to the forum ?

You might need to post the article contents as the others have their far-right Nazi filters on their browsers.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:57 pm You might need to post the article contents as the others have their far-right Nazi filters on their browsers.

Does anyone show any surprise that The Tories policy is so shit atm.
Vote Tory give the hoardes of maurading immigrants Luxury Hotels and Cable TV for free.

Some twats will still vote for these arse clowns that have been so uselss for years lying about being tough on immigration

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:52 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... itain.html

Well this has changed my mind, the sheer bravery.

The best thing about it is how sustainable it is,

TikTok Channel migrant's journey to Britain: Asylum seeker posts series of astonishing videos which show him travelling through France, laughing with friends on a tiny dinghy then watching TV in a luxury UK hotel

You know which party all these hotel owners vote for......

Decent article in the gaurdian about how right wing fascistic fuckwads have descended on South Wales, to ramp up the hate, and how local politicians are now in fear for their lives if they come out and oppose them.




https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... park-hotel

This horror story visited on South Wales by Suella Braverman could be coming to a street near you


Thu 24 Aug 2023 06.00 BST
Take what follows as a little local horror story, if that makes you feel better. But I see it as a parable, a lesson in how toxic things can get when some of the basest ingredients in politics are blended just so and left to fester. Our setting today is a town a few miles outside Swansea, yet with only a few changes it could come to the end of your road.

“I was always proud to say I was from Llanelli. Now? It’s worse than embarrassed. I’m ashamed.” That’s not a disgruntled neighbour speaking, but the leader of Llanelli’s council. And what’s upsetting David Darkin isn’t some new eyesore, but the forces gathering on his streets. In the privacy of his office, he likens what’s outside to the 20th century’s darkest decade.

Just a few months ago, no one here would summon up the ghost of 1930s fascism. But that was before this spring, when the town’s top hotel was taken over by the Home Office to house about 250 asylum seekers – and all hell broke loose.


The Stradey Park Hotel is described by local people as “the jewel in Llanelli’s crown”, the place where everyone wanted to hold their weddings. Even today, as workmen pull out the building’s innards in preparation for its new role, it leaves a splendid shell: a cream-coloured Edwardian mansion tucked into a hillside, with views over the Gower coastline.

Now it is in the hands of Suella Braverman. However hard the home secretary huffs and puffs about cutting hotel bills for asylum seekers, she is now one of the biggest hoteliers in Britain. To house a huge backlog manufactured by the Tories, Braverman has just shy of 400 hotels, creating a chain more than twice the size of the Hilton group in the UK.

What costs taxpayers billions is making some people extremely rich. Stradey Park was sold in 2020 to Sterling Woodrow, an investment firm based about 250 miles away in Billericay, Essex, which also trades in hotels for refugees, first in Cumbria and now here. It struck a deal with Clearsprings Ready Homes, one of just three firms that handles all the Home Office’s asylum seeker accommodation. The founder of Clearsprings is Graham King. In 2022, the company reported profits of £28m, six times more than the year before.

Migrant hotel posts
‘A swamp of conspiracies about invaders and foreign rapists.’
Stradey Park should have received its new residents at the start of July, but local resistance put a stop to that. The opposition began with court cases and letters to Whitehall from the town’s great and good, but over the past 12 weeks it has metastasised. A permanent protest camp has sprung up right at the hotel gates, and what it has become leaves the town’s elected representatives baffled and fearful.

What began as complaints about the loss of a four-star hotel and 100 jobs is now a swamp of conspiracies about invaders and foreign rapists. A leaflet recently given out around the town asks: “Is it racist to protect your home from unknown unvetted illegals?” Last week, some of the people at the camp stormed the hotel. One leader of the original protest, Robert Lloyd, is now hounded outside his home for not being hardline enough. He says that friends whose weddings he attended now threaten him, and the night before we met last week, the police were doing hourly patrols outside his house.


Every jobbing demagogue is now making a beeline for south Wales. Katy Hopkins and Richard Tice have done selfie stops, while GB News and TalkTV have piled in. And this weekend, sad-sack fascist Anne Marie Waters addressed a capacity crowd, following on from the fascist organisation Patriotic Alternative, which has papered the town with its hate literature. At Hope Not Hate, Rosie Carter has spent years monitoring extremist organisations, but what she sees in Llanelli troubles her: “It’s far-right radicalisation in real time.”

A couple of hundred miles away in Westminster, “culture wars” is just another electoral sport, to be indulged for a couple of points in the polls or a mention in the papers. But in south Wales or Dunstable or Knowsley, you see what’s really at stake, where the mainstream and extremist right effectively collaborate in poisoning the very soil of a place so that supposedly subterranean prejudice voiced after last orders has become chest-out, finger-jabbing racism.

The Labour party in Llanelli, as elsewhere, has not reacted honourably. The most outspoken opponent of this bigotry has been the local Senedd Cymru member, Lee Waters. Among the abuse he has received as a result are direct threats to him and his family. Despite that, one county councillor turned up at the camp, posing in a camouflage jacket alongside a placard reading Welsh Lives Matter. No action has yet been taken against him, for all Labour’s protests of being an anti-racist party. Other Labour party representatives have been rather circumspect, perhaps out of a sense that their electoral base mustn’t have any prejudices challenged. By their silence, they are effectively allowing some of the basest rhetoric to be normalised.

One local antiracist activist, Steve Kelshaw, says: “Churches won’t say anything; the Labour party won’t say anything. All our usual sources of moral authority have gone.” That authority rested on an economic order, which has also dissolved. Llanelli steel production was once called a Klondike, so well did it pay, while down the road is what remains of Port Talbot, once called Treasure Island because no one could believe how good the wages were. All of that has gone now, with a town centre that in places is more boards than shops.

Almost everyone in Llanelli told me the camp was a no-go area, that a visit would mean intimidation or worse. But I didn’t think that would be fair, either to those protesting or to anyone reading this. So I went.

Another post about the hotel
Another post about the hotel.
The hotel and its opponent camp sit on a narrow road out of town. There are protesters everywhere in front, watched over by police officers. When the residents move in, some from war zones of their own, it will become a fortress on a hill. From a balcony hangs a banner reading: “No illegal immigrants.” Fluttering elsewhere is military regalia: an RAF flag, a banner with a poppy and the legend “Lest we forget”. This sight was honked by a passing car at least every minute. Men and women came out of the tent to stare at me.


In the spring of 2016, when I came to south Wales before the Brexit vote, plenty of people told me how migrants were taking houses, hospital appointments, benefits. Mingled in with all that this time was something else: conspiracies. A man pulled out his phone and showed me a video of a white boy on his knees crying and kissing the feet of what he claimed were “Afghanistanis”. Where was this video from and when? He didn’t know. When white boys did the bullying wasn’t that also wrong? He didn’t appear to care.

In another conversation, a man fretted about not enough Welsh children being born. It was an echo of the chant from the far right in Charlottesville, Virginia, about white people being replaced. Out of the corner of my eye, a placard read: “We were never asked”. You might think it meant the conversion of the hotel, but the same phrase is plastered across the publications of the far right, to warn that immigration will dilute whiteness.

This back-and-forth went on for what felt like an hour, in the pouring rain of a Welsh summer. People would voice grievances, like housing and jobs, that could surely be solved with politics and money. And then they would lurch off into wild talk about how Albanians and Somalis have a propensity to gang-rape. It was a mix of the prosaic and the conspiratorial, as if your neighbour stopped talking about their lawn to whisper that lizards were moving in next door.

So much has been taken from this region over the decades – the anthracite coal, the tin and steel – but at least then local people got paid something for their troubles. This time, too, everyone wants to get their cut from Llanelli: the hotel owners, the outsourcing firm, the Home Office. Then there are the touring nationalists, popping over the border to pretend they care about Wales, while in Silicon Valley the social media firms whip up any tensions with their algorithims.

Back in Westminster, Braverman ponders how all this will play for her next leadership bid. Some day soon, all these people will move on to their next fairground. And the poor sods in this sometimes-beautiful town will have to decontaminate their very soil.

Wow. That’s not good.

That truly is Peak Guardian.

Even managed to squeeze in “1930’s Germany”.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:57 pm You might need to post the article contents as the others have their far-right Nazi filters on their browsers.

Does anyone show any surprise that The Tories policy is so shit atm.
Vote Tory give the hoardes of maurading immigrants Luxury Hotels and Cable TV for free.

Some twats will still vote for these arse clowns that have been so uselss for years lying about being tough on immigration

Do you genuinely believe Labour will do any better on stopping these people?

They appear to do their best to undermine any efforts to reduce the appetite to get here. And only say, process faster, is their only comment.

The worrying aspect is that Richard Tice will gain popularity who is regularly publishing his solution.

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:15 am

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:57 pm You might need to post the article contents as the others have their far-right Nazi filters on their browsers.

Does anyone show any surprise that The Tories policy is so shit atm.
Vote Tory give the hoardes of maurading immigrants Luxury Hotels and Cable TV for free.

Some twats will still vote for these arse clowns that have been so uselss for years lying about being tough on immigration

Do you genuinely believe Labour will do any better on stopping these people?

They appear to do their best to undermine any efforts to reduce the appetite to get here. And only say, process faster, is their only comment.

The worrying aspect is that Richard Tice will gain popularity who is regularly publishing his solution.

When you process people faster you can remove them faster fwiw.

But I also think they won't do better as it's not a UK specific problem anyway and there's only going to be more people displaced in the future and they won't commit the money required to process claims faster either.