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Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:55 pm Where are you getting a vax from. How much do they cost...when are you getting it. Have you notified your staff of your intentions.....



Anything.......




?????


Don't come with vague statements....

You said you devised a plan....what is it

Sweet lord, you really are a nasty piece of work

We get it through Momentum Life, we will make use of them as soon as they inform us they have vaccines readily available for us to purchase.

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pm

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:55 pm Where are you getting a vax from. How much do they cost...when are you getting it. Have you notified your staff of your intentions.....



Anything.......




?????


Don't come with vague statements....

You said you devised a plan....what is it

Sweet lord, you really are a nasty piece of work

We get it through Momentum Life, we will make use of them as soon as they inform us they have vaccines readily available for us to purchase.

Momentum life....interesting...checking their Covid response now.

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:02 pm

Right on the front page...if you get Covid you are covered by Momentum life.....

Nothing about procurement process or vaccination drives....





Like I said...the sheep just follow the flow....


Rock on dude....you are funny

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:05 pm Go play Nips....


You are a joke...


Trying to inflate your self worth and impress us with YOUR efforts to secure vaccinations for YOUR staff.....

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:07 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:05 pm Go play Nips....


You are a joke...


Trying to inflate your self worth and impress us with YOUR efforts to secure vaccinations for YOUR staff.....

What are you trying to say here? Just because you believe beetroot cures Aids like the old ANC doesn't somehow make our efforts to contribute to the wellfare of society a joke

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:35 pm

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:07 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:05 pm Go play Nips....


You are a joke...


Trying to inflate your self worth and impress us with YOUR efforts to secure vaccinations for YOUR staff.....

What are you trying to say here? Just because you believe beetroot cures Aids like the old ANC doesn't somehow make our efforts to contribute to the wellfare of society a joke

You contribute vokkol dude...you are hoping your medical aid has it under control.

You are a sheep

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:15 pm
If you are prepared to vax your family go ahead dude...

Don't be that voknut that wants to force his opinion on others...

I will happily be that guy that stands back and let's you make your own calls.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:45 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:15 pm
If you are prepared to vax your family go ahead dude...

Don't be that voknut that wants to force his opinion on others...

I will happily be that guy that stands back and let's you make your own calls.

Except this isn't a situation like you deciding to play with a puff adder or juggle hand grenades. You can do both those things without harming anyone else.

If you won't get vaccinated and continue to be a selfish prick who won't stay home either until the rest of us get herd immunity after vaccine for an infectious disease, then we are going to call you on it every day.

You really are a very stupid person.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:45 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:15 pm
If you are prepared to vax your family go ahead dude...

Don't be that voknut that wants to force his opinion on others...

I will happily be that guy that stands back and let's you make your own calls.

Except this isn't a situation like you deciding to play with a puff adder or juggle hand grenades. You can do both those things without harming anyone else.

If you won't get vaccinated and continue to be a selfish prick who won't stay home either until the rest of us get herd immunity after vaccine for an infectious disease, then we are going to call you on it every day.

You really are a very stupid person.

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:48 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:45 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:15 pm
If you are prepared to vax your family go ahead dude...

Don't be that voknut that wants to force his opinion on others...

I will happily be that guy that stands back and let's you make your own calls.

Except this isn't a situation like you deciding to play with a puff adder or juggle hand grenades. You can do both those things without harming anyone else.

If you won't get vaccinated and continue to be a selfish prick who won't stay home either until the rest of us get herd immunity after vaccine for an infectious disease, then we are going to call you on it every day.

You really are a very stupid person.

He is playing some retarded 4D chess on this thread, but he just keeps coming across as a selfish prick

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 pm Relax Sandy....I am not stupid...I am questioning some real issues here...I am very interested in seeing what you all are doing or going to do...I hear a lot of bleating and strong emotions but other than that not one of you has a plan. You are all relying on your respective governments to vaccinate you.

And you ridicule me because I take homeopathic measures to boost my immunity...

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pm We get it through Momentum Life, we will make use of them as soon as they inform us they have vaccines readily available for us to purchase.

Blake wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:07 pm

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pm We get it through Momentum Life, we will make use of them as soon as they inform us they have vaccines readily available for us to purchase.

Good work Nipper...forward thinking

It looks like at the moment Governments and the Covax coalition are getting buying preference in the initial production runs of vaccines which makes sense as they will have the most buying power and their large orders will allow the pharma companies to scale up quickly.

I believe as soon as governments around the world have reached 40-50% coverage the supply will allow health insurance providers and big corporates to purchase vaccines on the open market and distribute it to their members / employees. That should accelerate the push to get from 50% to 80% coverage quite quickly.

That last 20% always has diminishing returns; but here's hoping with a multi faceted roll-out we can get this done before the end of 2021 and I'm hoping that my family and I can jump expedite our inoculations either via our health insurance providers or our employers.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 pm

I'm not ridiculing it for that. Some of them may help you against some ailments, but not Covid19.

I annoyed that 1) you think vaccines are unnecessary and 2) that you believe homeopathic remedies give you the right to be unsafe around everyone else.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:26 pm

Blake wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:07 pm

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pm We get it through Momentum Life, we will make use of them as soon as they inform us they have vaccines readily available for us to purchase.

Good work Nipper...forward thinking

It looks like at the moment Governments and the Covax coalition are getting buying preference in the initial production runs of vaccines which makes sense as they will have the most buying power and their large orders will allow the pharma companies to scale up quickly.

I believe as soon as governments around the world have reached 40-50% coverage the supply will allow health insurance providers and big corporates to purchase vaccines on the open market and distribute it to their members / employees. That should accelerate the push to get from 50% to 80% coverage quite quickly.

That last 20% always has diminishing returns; but here's hoping with a multi faceted roll-out we can get this done before the end of 2021 and I'm hoping that my family and I can jump expedite our inoculations either via our health insurance providers or our employers.

Surely this is the perfect opportunity for the ANC to put their long term plans into effect: vaccinate only the Black people of South Africa and deny the jabs to Whites, Coloureds and Indians.

"The government’s failure to be transparent with its Covid-19 vaccine implementation plan could see Dr Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma face court soon. AfriForum and Solidarity are preparing court papers against the minister, they announced in a joint-statement on Thursday.

According to AfriForum, Dlamini-Zuma failed to respond to a letter of demand that was issued to her by both organisations on 13 January, and has had “more than enough time” to provide answers.

The statement accuses the government of playing a “reckless game” by refusing to be transparent in the midst of a pandemic.

SA government can’t be trusted with Covid-19 vaccine monopoly

“The government’s non-disclosure of information is further proof why it cannot be trusted with a monopoly regarding the purchasing and distribution of Covid-19 vaccines. A government incapable of demonstrating basic transparency on matters of such a serious nature cannot be given the benefit of the doubt,” said Ernst van Zyl, Campaign Officer for strategy and content at AfriForum.

According to Solidarity, the current implementation plan comes down to nationalising the distribution and administration of the vaccine.

“There is no clarity on the roll-out of the government’s so-called vaccine plan at the moment. It is also not clear why Drs Dlamini-Zuma and Mkhize have the power to prohibit anyone but the state to procure vaccines,” says Connie Mulder, head of the Solidarity Research Institute. “It is a shame that the ministers did not see fit to provide answers about the roll-out of the vaccine.

Forced to take vaccine case to court

“That is why we are now forced to take the case to court. In view of the mistrust in the government and their handling of the vaccine issue, exceptional transparency is now of utmost importance.

“Nobody claims that the government should not be involved in the process too, but there is absolutely no reason why they must be the only institution involved in the process. Speed is now of the essence in a process that has already been hopelessly delayed for too long. We now need as many organisations, institutions and sectors as possible to be involved in the procurement and distribution of the vaccine,” Mulder explained.

“It is absolute wishful thinking to try and tackle the vaccination programme alone. The government is clearly determined to fail, and we cannot stop that from happening. However, what we must do, is to stop them from preventing others from succeeding,” Mulder concluded.

In a recent broadcast of Carte Blanche, the current affairs show investigated whether the SA government will be able to provide the vaccine to enough people before 2021 comes to a close. India, Israel and the UK have been quick out the blocks in the race to vaccinate millions of their population. But South Africa still doesn’t have a single dose of a safe vaccine. Although Health Minister Dr Zweli Mkhize said SA should receive 1-million doses of the Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine later this month, with a further 500,000 expected in February from India, Carte Blanche says experts are warning that the SA government is dragging its feet. "

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:25 pm Just FYI..


I take vit B , C and D and a blood thinner at night

Blake wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:47 pm

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:25 pm Just FYI..


I take vit B , C and D and a blood thinner at night

If that is what you are taking, I don’t think you you know what homeopathy is. Just FYI.

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:07 pm Let's discuss this concoction....will it reinforce my resistance to infection...and why blood thinners at night.
Is this an answer in the short term or will I be wasting my time...personally I can't stand putting chemicals in my body...I need to be in so much pain that my eyeballs are popping out before I will take Genpayne. I asked for natural vitamins....the blood thinner was a compromise

assfly wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:36 am Vitamin D is an interesting one. Apparently it was dismissed early on, partly because most people were concentrating on containing the virus. But apparently in Italy is has become procedure to treat patients with it and there is a noticeable increase in recoveries.

It could also go a long way to explain why most African countries are experiencing such low infection and death rates.

Not a silver bullet by any means, but worth a look.

Blake wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:59 am

Sards wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:07 pm Let's discuss this concoction....will it reinforce my resistance to infection...and why blood thinners at night.
Is this an answer in the short term or will I be wasting my time...personally I can't stand putting chemicals in my body...I need to be in so much pain that my eyeballs are popping out before I will take Genpayne. I asked for natural vitamins....the blood thinner was a compromise

Still not homeopathy. Supplementing your diet with extra vitamins is good and beneficial and advised, and NOT homeopathy.
Just note that beyond a certain point, your body cannot absorb it all and most goes into your urine...which might explain your other complaint.
That is why the RDA (recommended daily allowance) is usually indicated on the bottle.

The blood thinners...well, that's between you and your doctor. I can't comment on that...how it interacts with your diet, other habits or if it would be at all beneficial against a Covid infection.
I know it is sometimes given as a treatment in severe Covid cases to prevent blood clots which is a common effect, but not sure if it has any benefit as a preventative measure.

Again, none of this is homeopathy.

‘tsek wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:46 am Unless I am missing something obvious, I have not seen any legislation that determines that only the state may obtain and distribute vaccines.

Capitalism has a way of sorting these things out. Example from my personal experience with one Mine in the Northern Cape. During hard lockdown last year, mines were given permission to do care and maintenance and then to gradually ramp up from 50% capacity, dependant on a return to work protocol.

This involved screening and testing prior to being permitted to start work. Problem was capacity for testing in pathology labs etc. plus relative distance to labs etc. Solution? Build tour own lab on site (brilliant project, containerised lab, operational in weeks). What to do with employees that require quarantine/isolation? Long term rental agreement with a motel providing in excess of 100 beds. In the event went literally unused. What if someone displays symptoms on site and requires immediate treatment? Given that private and state hospitals in Kathy and Kimberley had zero capacity in any case, a farmhouse was converted into an ICU facility. The mine ended up supplying ventilators to government hospitals at the end of the day.

I can see vaccines going the same route. Yes, self sufficiency is dependant on a) money and b) availability of resources. The actuaries at Discovery and Momentum will soon quantify that buying vaccines internationally, even at triple the price that government eventually pays, is cheaper than managing a patient with full blown COVID symptoms. Maybe not next week, but the vaccines will become more readily available, that is just an economic reality based on demand, and the big medical aids will be able to access for their members and some kind of contribution will be made to the state fiscus to enable more vaccines to be purchased through government initiatives.

In fact, I think government is bargaining on this happening. I see Mr. Rupert has organised himself vaccination in Switzerland. Long live capitalism.

Blake wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:35 am

‘tsek wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:46 am

In fact, I think government is bargaining on this happening. I see Mr. Rupert has organised himself vaccination in Switzerland. Long live capitalism.

Agree 100% on everything. It's just the first bit that is the challenge. Government currently has the monopoly on vaccine procurement and are also the bottleneck in getting all the various vaccines approved by the medicine control council. It's so frustrating.

‘tsek wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:04 am

Blake wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:35 am

‘tsek wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:46 am

In fact, I think government is bargaining on this happening. I see Mr. Rupert has organised himself vaccination in Switzerland. Long live capitalism.

Agree 100% on everything. It's just the first bit that is the challenge. Government currently has the monopoly on vaccine procurement and are also the bottleneck in getting all the various vaccines approved by the medicine control council. It's so frustrating.

Absolutely, just pointing out that there is no law that gives ONLY the state the right to procure and distribute APPROVED medicines.

Also what I find so annoying with the Ivermectin punters. They are almost to a man dead set against any vaccine, cause why conspiracy etc. and it being untested (despite the significant protocols needed before approval) yet are very happy to stick an needle in themselves to inject something which does not have the same testing regime...they are also prone to refer to others as "sheeple" yet exhibit the exact traits, blindly following a twitter messiah or two.

Sards wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:06 am Regards my cocktail....the blood thinner is for blood clots , yes...

The rest boosts your system.....

So.................................after being called all kinds of shit it would appear that I am more organised and am the only Saffer here with a plan .....or doing something about it.....

Sies all of you.

Good luck waiting for the vaccine...

regards contact with others....I hate my vokken masks but wear them and do not go to shopping malls at all...Social life is a drag right now especially if you are used to being active the entire weekend and now have to limit it...but we need contact....we need interaction beyond work...we need the intellectual stimulation and if you take all the precautions available well then I do not see a problem....

So to all those knocking me....go vok yourselves...........catch a vokken wakeup and stop being sheep and start planning for yourselves boets....


Don't be that guy that sits back and regrets it late...overall...live your life like there is no tomorrow....


p.s. Great Covid protocols in place when my wife got her Tat.....cant wait now to start my next arm as I am happy with the artist....

handyman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:10 am

Sards wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:06 am Regards my cocktail....the blood thinner is for blood clots , yes...

The rest boosts your system.....

So.................................after being called all kinds of shit it would appear that I am more organised and am the only Saffer here with a plan .....or doing something about it.....

Sies all of you.

Good luck waiting for the vaccine...

regards contact with others....I hate my vokken masks but wear them and do not go to shopping malls at all...Social life is a drag right now especially if you are used to being active the entire weekend and now have to limit it...but we need contact....we need interaction beyond work...we need the intellectual stimulation and if you take all the precautions available well then I do not see a problem....

So to all those knocking me....go vok yourselves...........catch a vokken wakeup and stop being sheep and start planning for yourselves boets....


Don't be that guy that sits back and regrets it late...overall...live your life like there is no tomorrow....


p.s. Great Covid protocols in place when my wife got her Tat.....cant wait now to start my next arm as I am happy with the artist....

Drinking yourself into a stupor is now called intellectual stimulation?

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:13 am I don’t know much about blood thinners and I know nothing about tattoos, but they seem to be a strange combination in my book.

Rinkals wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:28 am I think Sards is referring to "Alternative Medicines".

He'll be on to acupuncture next and other Chinese traditional remedies. When he starts advocating Rhino horn and Tiger bones we'll know that he really has lost it.