So, coronavirus...

[Bimbowomxn]

Lombardy, quite famously.

My mate's 80-year old dad had covid in New York back in March and they were trying to send him home from the hospital when he wasn't able to breathe unassisted. Pretty sure that's a sign of a health system that isn't functioning properly.

Tehran. Clusterfuck in hospitals since 1 Feb.

Brazil too is another that had no space in intensive care.

EDIT - Oh, and Spain too.

It will be news to people I know in Spain that they’ve now got no health system because it collapsed.

[Bimbowomxn]

Where in the world have health systems “collapsed”. ?

Eastern Cape, South Africa

Lombardy, quite famously.

My mate's 80-year old dad had covid in New York back in March and they were trying to send him home from the hospital when he wasn't able to breathe unassisted. Pretty sure that's a sign of a health system that isn't functioning properly.

“Isn’t functioning properly “ vs “collapsed”.

Let’s use hyperbole all the time it really helps.

[Bimbowomxn]

Meanwhile

[Sandstorm]

Here's how devious this virus is and how bloody confusing it is for everyone:

UK family of 4 with 2 kids: aged 14 and 11.

11 Dec - 14 year old loses sense of smell and starts coughing. No-one else has any symptoms.
Has Covid test on 15 Dec
Positive on 16th.
14 year old confined to his room to keep the others safe.
Still no symptoms for the other 3.

So according to the rules: whole family should isolate for 10 days if anyone has Covid....

So does their 10 day starts on 11 Dec and therefore 21 Dec is their "Ok, you can go back to Tesco" day.

So far, so good.

BUT yesterday morning their 11 year old starts showing symptoms so Dad, Mum and 11 year old go get tested and 11 year old is positive today!
Parents both still clear.
Weird....because kids were supposed to be less susceptible right?

So now their isolation clock resets and they have to stay home until 31 Dec. And if wife gets it, another 10 day lockdown starts!
Fun times.

[Raggs]

Here's how devious this virus is and how bloody confusing it is for everyone:

UK family of 4 with 2 kids: aged 14 and 11.

11 Dec - 14 year old loses sense of smell and starts coughing. No-one else has any symptoms.
Has Covid test on 15 Dec
Positive on 16th.
14 year old confined to his room to keep the others safe.
Still no symptoms for the other 3.

So according to the rules: whole family should isolate for 10 days if anyone has Covid....

So does their 10 day starts on 11 Dec and therefore 21 Dec is their "Ok, you can go back to Tesco" day.

So far, so good.

BUT yesterday morning their 11 year old starts showing symptoms so Dad, Mum and 11 year old go get tested and 11 year old is positive today!
Parents both still clear.
Weird....because kids were supposed to be less susceptible right?

So now their isolation clock resets and they have to stay home until 31 Dec. And if wife gets it, another 10 day lockdown starts!
Fun times.

Perfect example of why lockdowns need to be longer periods too. Intra household transmission could keep it alive for a month easily.

[Bimbowomxn]

Maybe they used this test.






Oh and sandstorm using a single example to debunk known science.


And Another poster wants this used as an example to lock people down harder.

[Niegs]

Is Bimbo an Exeter supporter?





Looks as though a few of them shared this...

[Saint]

Lombardy, quite famously.

My mate's 80-year old dad had covid in New York back in March and they were trying to send him home from the hospital when he wasn't able to breathe unassisted. Pretty sure that's a sign of a health system that isn't functioning properly.

Absolutely, wasn't it anyone over 65 not getting put into intensive care? Sweden had guidelines out about prioritising those under 80 or not morbidly obese sent out too. Plus reports of lots of people in care homes just getting morphine rather than moving them to hospitals.

Careful guys, he will be back here in a moment telling you all that your definition of 'collapse' is wrong and all the health services have never been close to collapse.

I reckon within next 30 days most of the NHS will be into Emergency, Cancer and Covid19 only services with almost all but most urgent elective work being cancelled till after Easter and minors (i.e. most of A%E) dealt with in community. Difficult decisions about how to deploy staff coming up - devote as many as possible to vaccination (subject to ongoing supply) over next 2-3 months and hope that creates a tunnel for escaping this shitstorm or staff hospitals to deal with emergencies, covid19 and cancers and to keep some more 'urgent' electives going. All we need next is a Beast from the East, or even a bad spell of snow and frost etc. One plus point is that most NHS and care home staff in my area will be vaccinated by mid-end of January so we shouldn't have the same staff absences that we had in first wave.

By vaccinated do you mean 2nd dose? Because that would mean them getting there first dose now - and so far very few staff or care home workers have had it. Realistically frontline and care staff won't have dose 2 till mid Feb unless the AZ vaccine comes online

[Bimbowomxn]

Careful guys, he will be back here in a moment telling you all that your definition of 'collapse' is wrong and all the health services have never been close to collapse.

So now it’s “close to” as a comparison....

Either way alarmist language should be corrected.


Along with your stories , shall we recognise that there’s more capacity in hospitals than this date a year ago. That the nightingales can be switched on and in regard to hospitals there's at last publication 1,340 covid patients in higher care levels.

At least one thing good could happen though , if people stop going to hospitals we could cut out 30% of infections.

[Biffer]

Whole of the EU imposes a travel ban on the UK.

[Sandstorm]

Oh and sandstorm using a single example to debunk known science.

Wot? At no point have I done that. I just said how difficult and confusing it is.

You should read more carefully and argue less.

[Sandstorm]

Whole of the EU imposes a travel ban on the UK.

'Bout time someone did Boris' job for him.

[tc27]

Absolutely, wasn't it anyone over 65 not getting put into intensive care? Sweden had guidelines out about prioritising those under 80 or not morbidly obese sent out too. Plus reports of lots of people in care homes just getting morphine rather than moving them to hospitals.

Careful guys, he will be back here in a moment telling you all that your definition of 'collapse' is wrong and all the health services have never been close to collapse.

I reckon within next 30 days most of the NHS will be into Emergency, Cancer and Covid19 only services with almost all but most urgent elective work being cancelled till after Easter and minors (i.e. most of A%E) dealt with in community. Difficult decisions about how to deploy staff coming up - devote as many as possible to vaccination (subject to ongoing supply) over next 2-3 months and hope that creates a tunnel for escaping this shitstorm or staff hospitals to deal with emergencies, covid19 and cancers and to keep some more 'urgent' electives going. All we need next is a Beast from the East, or even a bad spell of snow and frost etc. One plus point is that most NHS and care home staff in my area will be vaccinated by mid-end of January so we shouldn't have the same staff absences that we had in first wave.

By vaccinated do you mean 2nd dose? Because that would mean them getting there first dose now - and so far very few staff or care home workers have had it. Realistically frontline and care staff won't have dose 2 till mid Feb unless the AZ vaccine comes online

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

[Saint]

Careful guys, he will be back here in a moment telling you all that your definition of 'collapse' is wrong and all the health services have never been close to collapse.

I reckon within next 30 days most of the NHS will be into Emergency, Cancer and Covid19 only services with almost all but most urgent elective work being cancelled till after Easter and minors (i.e. most of A%E) dealt with in community. Difficult decisions about how to deploy staff coming up - devote as many as possible to vaccination (subject to ongoing supply) over next 2-3 months and hope that creates a tunnel for escaping this shitstorm or staff hospitals to deal with emergencies, covid19 and cancers and to keep some more 'urgent' electives going. All we need next is a Beast from the East, or even a bad spell of snow and frost etc. One plus point is that most NHS and care home staff in my area will be vaccinated by mid-end of January so we shouldn't have the same staff absences that we had in first wave.

By vaccinated do you mean 2nd dose? Because that would mean them getting there first dose now - and so far very few staff or care home workers have had it. Realistically frontline and care staff won't have dose 2 till mid Feb unless the AZ vaccine comes online

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

Source? MHRA is remarkably leak and pressure proof for a government agency.

Agree though that it will transform the vaccination programme in the UK, there;s osme 20 million doses already to go and it can be manufactured far more quickly in addition to the logistical benefits

[Biffer]

Also, to add to the 'hope your heroes die young so you don't find out what arseholes they turn out to be' column, there's this

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/1 ... ype=earned

[tc27]

By vaccinated do you mean 2nd dose? Because that would mean them getting there first dose now - and so far very few staff or care home workers have had it. Realistically frontline and care staff won't have dose 2 till mid Feb unless the AZ vaccine comes online

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

Source? MHRA is remarkably leak and pressure proof for a government agency.

Agree though that it will transform the vaccination programme in the UK, there;s osme 20 million doses already to go and it can be manufactured far more quickly in addition to the logistical benefits

Apologies - before the end of the year.

Widely trailed in the media not sure of the exact source.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ine-agency

[frodder]

By vaccinated do you mean 2nd dose? Because that would mean them getting there first dose now - and so far very few staff or care home workers have had it. Realistically frontline and care staff won't have dose 2 till mid Feb unless the AZ vaccine comes online

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

Source? MHRA is remarkably leak and pressure proof for a government agency.

Agree though that it will transform the vaccination programme in the UK, there;s osme 20 million doses already to go and it can be manufactured far more quickly in addition to the logistical benefits

Some of my ex colleagues are very confident. They've been drip feeding data to the MHRA and so far so good. This is the 1st time I know of data has been feed to regulators like this. Something that should be the norm going forward

[tc27]

Also, to add to the 'hope your heroes die young so you don't find out what arseholes they turn out to be' column, there's this

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/1 ... ype=earned

Christ - nothing more tedious then boomers who have lived in a period of wealth and stability moaning about having to modify their public behaviour slightly because of a pandemic. What exactly they think the Magna Carta has to do with anything I do not know? This weird 'sovereign citizen' nonsense from the US is creeping into our politics amongst the nutty fringes.

[Saint]

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

Source? MHRA is remarkably leak and pressure proof for a government agency.

Agree though that it will transform the vaccination programme in the UK, there;s osme 20 million doses already to go and it can be manufactured far more quickly in addition to the logistical benefits

Apologies - before the end of the year.

Widely trailed in the media not sure of the exact source.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ine-agency

I'm sure that some of that is being fed to them by Hancock to try and softne the blow of Tier 4, but I wouldn't rely on it having any relationship with fact. frodder's comments are interesting though

[sockwithaticket]

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Is Bimbo an Exeter supporter?





Looks as though a few of them shared this...

Exeter seem really keen with their logo stuff and now covid to truly succeed Saracens as the Prem's villains. Is it something that comes with winning the trophy more than once?

[Biffer]

AZ vaccine will likely be approved this week.

Much cheaper and easier to store than the others so should be a real boost

Source? MHRA is remarkably leak and pressure proof for a government agency.

Agree though that it will transform the vaccination programme in the UK, there;s osme 20 million doses already to go and it can be manufactured far more quickly in addition to the logistical benefits

Some of my ex colleagues are very confident. They've been drip feeding data to the MHRA and so far so good. This is the 1st time I know of data has been feed to regulators like this. Something that should be the norm going forward

Yeah, this experience is highlighting how much of a scandal it is that vaccine development normally takes so long. I keep pointing that out to people who are pushing the vaccines-normally-take-8-to-10-years-to-make line, that it's bloody disgraceful it takes that long and substantially down to funding, priorities and a rigid sequential process (plus the other stuff about new tech, time to get volunteers and length of trial phases).

[tc27]

500k have received first dose.

I mean objectively that's pretty good progress.

My dad is in his 70s and lives in Kent so I am keen for this to go as quickly as possible (his 80+ friends have already received their first injection).

[Saint]

500k have received first dose.

I mean objectively that's pretty good progress.

My dad is in his 70s and lives in Kent so I am keen for this to go as quickly as possible (his 80+ friends have already received their first injection).

Yeah - as I pointed out to Bimbo last week, it was always going to significantly accelerate from 150K in week 1. The first round of care homes is due to start round here this week as well.

[yermum]

using a single example to debunk known science.

lol...

the scientific method is not dothraki.

[Bimbowomxn]

Wait for cases to explode in January especially if they don’t sort out reporting on the type of test and the amount of people being tested. All LFT positives will then be followed up with a PCR test (assume the tests are actually in anyway accurate) numbers reported will be two positives for every child.

[frodder]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

[Jock42]

500k have received first dose.

I mean objectively that's pretty good progress.

My dad is in his 70s and lives in Kent so I am keen for this to go as quickly as possible (his 80+ friends have already received their first injection).

Considering the logistics with this vaccine thats impressive.

[Bimbowomxn]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

He wasn’t really up for the lie tonight was he.


A timely reminder.

[tc27]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

A press conference just for the sake of having a press conference.

[Northern Lights]

Yeh, the return of panic buying stories in the MSM

For good reason this time. There are going to be significant gaps on shelves in 48 hours if they don’t get freight moving,

Boris has totally fucked up this time. I’m not getting into how bad this new variant is as there seems to be a mixed view on it and only time will tell if it is as contagious as they are saying but playing billy big balls over Brexit which imho contributed to having our borders shut is stupidity in the extreme, an immediate extension is required whilst we get through this latest development with COVID.

[frodder]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

A press conference just for the sake of having a press conference.

Great question about constantly over promising and under delivering was met by....a number of incomprehensible noises

[Northern Lights]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

He wasn’t really up for the lie tonight was he.


A timely reminder.

Oh no we will get them doing the pissing their pants analogy again.

Amazingly 6 months on from mask wearing we are in a pretty shit situation - back to full lockdown, looks they have been a ripping success or maybe just maybe they have made things worse as we were initially warned.

[Sandstorm]

Tier 4+

Dunno what it is, but I can’t wait!

[I like neeps]

My goodness, BoJo is having a shocker tonight

He wasn’t really up for the lie tonight was he.


A timely reminder.

Oh no we will get them doing the pissing their pants analogy again.

Amazingly 6 months on from mask wearing we are in a pretty shit situation - back to full lockdown, looks they have been a ripping success or maybe just maybe they have made things worse as we were initially warned.

You can't seriously be suggesting facemasks are the cause of the spikes across Europe LN?

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

[Bimbowomxn]

Yeh, the return of panic buying stories in the MSM

For good reason this time. There are going to be significant gaps on shelves in 48 hours if they don’t get freight moving,

Boris has totally fucked up this time. I’m not getting into how bad this new variant is as there seems to be a mixed view on it and only time will tell if it is as contagious as they are saying but playing billy big balls over Brexit which imho contributed to having our borders shut is stupidity in the extreme, an immediate extension is required whilst we get through this latest development with COVID.

Note only the French shut freight, it was quite the opposite and being a brexit warning from the French. They’ll be circumvented within a month or two by Holland if this occurs next month.

Not signing away things isn’t billy big balls. It’s sensible now.

[Northern Lights]

He wasn’t really up for the lie tonight was he.


A timely reminder.

Oh no we will get them doing the pissing their pants analogy again.

Amazingly 6 months on from mask wearing we are in a pretty shit situation - back to full lockdown, looks they have been a ripping success or maybe just maybe they have made things worse as we were initially warned.

You can't seriously be suggesting facemasks are the cause of the spikes across Europe LN?

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Not causing the spikes but are a complete waste of time. Kids in schools across Scotland can now look forward to wearing them all day in class.

People meeting indoors is lockdown fatigue and completely understandable and was the reason they were reticent to lockdown in the first place, now they have no other strategy the useless cunts.

Wales firebreak lockdown was clearly a rip-roaring success that they are now the worst region in the Uk

[Bimbowomxn]

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Yeah, it was Masks rather than “summer” that fought the good fight.


Then they stopped working......

[frodder]

Tier 4+

Dunno what it is, but I can’t wait!

Your own personal air tight chamber. Get fed in liquid form by tube

[I like neeps]

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Yeah, it was Masks rather than “summer” that fought the good fight.


Then they stopped working......

Yes exactly the summer stopped and the cases rose. Not summer stopped so the masks never worked. Doubt they have a huge affect either way but never really understood people's issue with them who cares.

[Bimbowomxn]

We've been wearing masks since May/June and there wasn't a huge spike then. The spikes were when people started meeting indoors again and got kind of bored of the rules.

Yeah, it was Masks rather than “summer” that fought the good fight.


Then they stopped working......

Yes exactly the summer stopped and the cases rose. Not summer stopped so the masks never worked. Doubt they have a huge affect either way but never really understood people's issue with them who cares.

Lucky rabbit feet aren’t useful either. If the government told us to carry one .....

The point with masks is false sense of security vs reminder of the issue and better distancing.

I don’t see much distancing.