NPR

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:57 pm Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:34 pm In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:16 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:34 pm In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

No vaccine has yet been tested on children, so they're not approved.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:56 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:16 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:34 pm In terms of vaccine prioritisation, once the very old and at risk are done, should they not focus more on those cohorts more likely to be spreaders, even if less at risk.

Eg school children, and those who need to travel to work.

No vaccine has yet been tested on children, so they're not approved.

Thought the Moderna one was tested on 12 and older, might be wrong.

frodder wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:33 pm Looks like we're going to make the 50k after all

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:05 pm I was in a hospital in Atlanta the other day, and all the nurses have had their first vaccine.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:12 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Welsh government say they're largely following the gov.uk guidelines, but don't say where they're differing from them. But I don't think admin should have got it first under either system.

90s should be expecting it inside the next week, care homes maybe not due to the technical challenges, but it's down to the Welsh government to manage inside Wales

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:13 pm

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:05 pm I was in a hospital in Atlanta the other day, and all the nurses have had their first vaccine.

Each state is doing it's own thing, yes?

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:43 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:16 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:12 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

Welsh government say they're largely following the gov.uk guidelines, but don't say where they're differing from them. But I don't think admin should have got it first under either system.

90s should be expecting it inside the next week, care homes maybe not due to the technical challenges, but it's down to the Welsh government to manage inside Wales

Nothing through for my parents yet to notify them.
Info about vaccine given to admin staff came from word of mouth neighbour, who happens to be ICU nurse, in Morriston Hospital, she's fucking tamping about it...

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:52 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:36 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:04 pm Can't see any way through this bar a proper lockdown.

Good luck getting 40% of the population to follow it properly.

Well it was very well observed when we had a proper lockdown earlier in the year.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:46 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:43 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:03 pm So where the fuck do priorities lie.
Morriston Hospital, major covid centre in my area. The first to get the vaccine were the administration staff.. What the flying fuck?
My parents, both in their 90s, no sign yet, nursing homes, no sign yet, my mum now has to have post in test as she's been ill since Xmas day, we're all in 10 day lockdown as are my daughter and my brother as they've both visited, albeit briefly and distanced, yesterday..

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

You mean care homes? The plan for them is to do everyone in them all in one hit as you've outlined. Even Matt Hancock isn't THAT stupid

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:13 pm Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:39 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:13 pm Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:46 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:43 pm

One thing I would be critical about in the various roll out plans is where homes are having to have multiple visits for staff, >90, >80, >70 etc, etc

Why wouldn't they just visit the home once for the first jab & do everyone then, & then again for the 2nd ?

I'm sure the same applies in other settings, where you know you'll be making ten visits, when you know everyone could be done in just two

You mean care homes? The plan for them is to do everyone in them all in one hit as you've outlined. Even Matt Hancock isn't THAT stupid

Well then I must apologize to him; I over estimated his stupidity I can only plea past experience as mitigation

I assumed the age strata were slavishly applied.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:42 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:39 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:13 pm Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

The reason some non clinical staff are being vaccinated first is I would guess because the government have data leading them to believe they are the ones spreading it in hospitals. And have told them to vaccinate accordingly.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tals-data/

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:55 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:55 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:04 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:55 pm

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:55 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm The government have been very quiet, especially with 40k+ positive cases and 2000+ hospitalisations a day now.
And that's with limited reporting over Christmas, and the impact of the Christmas travel still to come...

Surely with the vaccination programme now started and the NHS starting to buckle, they could work with the public to lockdown in January for one final push, and limit the loss of life? Why do they have to wait for things to get totally out of hand before doing something?

Apparently the government are expecting all over 55’s to be vaccinated by the end of March

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:04 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:01 pm

That's the plan/hope. Of course, Gove has been mouthing off today about releasing Tier 4 by the end of January thanks to vaccinations. By now you would have thought that they would have learnt about under promise and over deliver, but apparently not

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:54 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:04 pm

Yes. Interesting discussion with an old friend tonight. They are also convinced they now have the best testing regime in the world. I’ve no idea if that’s the case

I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

The App could cure cancer and fly to the moon as well......means nothing because so many people ignore the advice to isolate.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm
I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

mat the expat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:21 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm
I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:21 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm
I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:21 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:07 pm
I know that NHSD/NHSX reckon that the UK test and trace app is an order of magnitude ahead of anything else in the world, but again, no idea as to whether that's actually tge case

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:49 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 am

mat the expat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:21 am

Why though? It's not lke it's going to be markedly different to any other developed app

Sure, it's using the same vendor SDKs, & was developed long after other Countries ... but it's British !!!! ..... of course it's, "an order of magnitude", better ....... why would you need any more confirmation than some comment on a random web site ?

They claim to have massively developed tge algorithms governing Bluetooth detection and alert triggers so that it's far more accurate than any other version. I have no idea how true it us, but I know that's their belief

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:42 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:57 pm Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:42 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:57 pm Also, I think people were more diligent in the first lockdown. By now people are flouting the rules.

So it’s not a reflection on the current state of rules.

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Just personally, but back then I wasn’t that worried about getting it but wanted to do the right thing. This time I’m really not keen on getting it having seen a lot of damage it has caused close to home.

I suppose it’s a bit of human nature that if you don’t experience it, it’s difficult to get your head round it. Of course some people are just cunts as well

frodder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:13 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:42 pm

There’s a valid point here. Certainly people were more personally worried I think

Just personally, but back then I wasn’t that worried about getting it but wanted to do the right thing. This time I’m really not keen on getting it having seen a lot of damage it has caused close to home.

I suppose it’s a bit of human nature that if you don’t experience it, it’s difficult to get your head round it. Of course some people are just cunts as well

I only know of 2 people who have had it and were laid up for a couple of days.

I see the next lockdown as taking it for the team I.e. a few more months of this whilst the vaccine is banged out 24 x 7.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:42 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:39 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:13 pm Saint, I've no grevious about our government, Drippy Drayford has done well for a damp sponge persona, he's made some difficult choices, stood by them, and, as we've seen, some success. The rising rate of infections is down to the fucking numbnuts who think they're immune.
However, the distribution and who gets the vaccine first is being handled by the Welsh nhs, suprisingly, the fucking ones who decide, have decided they get it first!...

Welsh NHS report to Welsh government. So if Welsh NHS admin get it first that's been signed off by Drayford

The reason some non clinical staff are being vaccinated first is I would guess because the government have data leading them to believe they are the ones spreading it in hospitals. And have told them to vaccinate accordingly.

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... tals-data/