NPR

Deepsouth wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:05 pm The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Deepsouth wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:05 pm The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:19 pm

Deepsouth wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:05 pm The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Screamer of a catch. Aussies wobbling at the end of the session.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:52 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:32 pm

Match defining moment was yesterday evening when Labsouthafrican and Smith went.

Labushagne is a great flat track bully but can't play English conditions. He and Smith falling to the least likely bowler to take a wicket this series was at least as dim as anything Eng have been accused of.

Labuschagne is in poor form but he's got an incredible record in English conditions

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:11 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:52 pm

Labushagne is a great flat track bully but can't play English conditions. He and Smith falling to the least likely bowler to take a wicket this series was at least as dim as anything Eng have been accused of.

Labuschagne is in poor form but he's got an incredible record in English conditions

I hadn't appreciated how poor. One fifty in his last 16 Test innings is dire stuff.

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 pm Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 pm Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:16 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 pm Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

You haven't attempted a run.

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:25 pm On more important matters, Crawley flying here.

Oz really missing Lyon, the spam-headed, bed-hopping career-ender.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:47 pm Sensational session for England.

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:21 pm Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:21 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:16 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 pm Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

You haven't attempted a run.

Is there a hard and fast set of criteria by what is meant by 'attempt'? Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

As duke said, I'd think batsmen needing to cross would probably be a consideration.

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:02 pm Moeen has passed 200 wickets and 3000 runs in tests. Only the 16th player to do that.

Quite the list of names - Shane Warne, Stuart Broad, Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham, Sir Garfield Sobers, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Danny Vettori, R Ashwin, Shaun Pollock, Cahminda Vaas, Jaques Kallis, Shakib al Hassan, Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:20 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:02 pm Moeen has passed 200 wickets and 3000 runs in tests. Only the 16th player to do that.

Quite the list of names - Shane Warne, Stuart Broad, Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham, Sir Garfield Sobers, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Danny Vettori, R Ashwin, Shaun Pollock, Cahminda Vaas, Jaques Kallis, Shakib al Hassan, Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns

He's played a lot of tests so nothing remarkable about the runs. What I'm not sure of is how much he has bowled. All those other guys (bar Broad and maybe Kallis but that was more down to him not wanting to bowl) would be considered genuine all rounders and expected to bat and bowl every time. Even Warne. I don't think anyone would consider Moeen a genuine all rounder and so I guess it is quite remarkable for that alone.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:24 pm Crawley 139* with a strike rate of 95. Must be a road of a pitch with the Aussie bowlers just not interested....?

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:21 pm Is there a hard and fast set of criteria by what is meant by 'attempt'? Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

As duke said, I'd think batsmen needing to cross would probably be a consideration.

18.1 A run

The score shall be reckoned by runs. A run is scored

18.1.1 so often as the batter, at any time while the ball is in play, have crossed and made good their ground from end to end.

...

18.3 Short runs

18.3.1 A run is short if a batter fails to make good his/her ground in turning for a further run.

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18.5 Deliberate short runs

18.5.1 If either umpire considers that one or both batters deliberately ran short at that umpire’s end, the umpire concerned shall, when the ball is dead, call and signal Short run and inform the other umpire of what has occurred and apply 18.5.2.

18.5.2 The bowler’s end umpire shall

- disallow all runs to the batting side

- return any not out batter to his/her original end
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- award 5 Penalty runs to the fielding side
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18.5.3 The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:39 pm Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and a FC average of 36, he's always been a decent batsman. He lost his way in test cricket a bit once he started bowling full time, but he's a much better bat than a few on that all rounders list tbh.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:39 pm Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and a FC average of 36, he's always been a decent batsman. He lost his way in test cricket a bit once he started bowling full time, but he's a much better bat than a few on that all rounders list tbh.

Mahoney wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:52 pm Those two wickets change the complexion a bit - it's perfectly possible to collapse to 400 all out from here, so I suspect they will play with more circumspection, they'll want a lead of at least 150 here.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:47 am bat to 1 hour after lunch, set 300, bowl them out without having to bat again.