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Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:26 pm
by Saint
One advantage to being arrived to a nurse is that she gets tested twice a week - so we have a fair degree of certainty as to whether either of us has it

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:28 pm
by Saint
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:20 pm Az submitted final data to the regulator so unless theres a problem I imagine it will approved within the week.

Over 50k new cases today...I suspect a national lockdown beyond current tier 4 redtrictions is on the way
There's an added issue with AZ as MHRA don't just have to approve the vaccine for use, they have to determine e what dosing. It's far more complex sign off

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:44 pm
by Sandstorm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:24 pm In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.
Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:48 pm
by tc27
Saint wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:28 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:20 pm Az submitted final data to the regulator so unless theres a problem I imagine it will approved within the week.

Over 50k new cases today...I suspect a national lockdown beyond current tier 4 redtrictions is on the way
There's an added issue with AZ as MHRA don't just have to approve the vaccine for use, they have to determine e what dosing. It's far more complex sign off

Yeah not a big issue if it takes a bit longer as From I understand the Pz vaccine supply still outstrips vaccination capacity at the moment. Also bizzarely enough theres a problem in sourcing enough glass vials.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:51 pm
by tc27
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:44 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:24 pm In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.
Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?
My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:52 pm
by Sandstorm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:51 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:44 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:24 pm In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.
Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?
My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.
Cool. Hope everyone is over it pronto.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:52 pm
by Slick
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:51 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:44 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:24 pm In personnel news myself, my wife, my mum and kids all confirmed positive today. The inlaws had a test today but the MiL is probaly a positive.

None of us have chronic symptoms fortunately. I had what I would normally think was a mild winter cold. The wife lost smell and taste and had an upset stomach.

Kids just have runny noses.
Two bubbles mixing over Christmas?
My wifes symptoms happened before christmas so we cancelled our plans.

My mum lives in our annex and whilst we have being careful the 2 year olds and social distancing dont mix.

Not sure where the inlaws lgotnit but its rampant here in the SE.
Hope it all goes well mate.

I’m as disappointed as Sandstorm that we don’t get to shout at you though :twisted:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:04 pm
by Biffer
Might be worth noting the the UK passed a milestone last week where 1 in 1000 of the population have died of Covid.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:09 pm
by PlanetGlyndwr
Openside wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:16 pm
PlanetGlyndwr wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:57 pm
Openside wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:30 pm

what does that even mean??

Uncultered Boomer Detected
uncultered?? yes, clearly :think:

yawn...sit down tory the union is coming to an end

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:09 am
by Niegs
And I wonder how our cases just keep going up and up ... oh, it's not just because people flout the guidelines and rules, some of our politicians do it too and brag about it on social media (day after the lockdown goes into effect, no joining with other households).

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Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am
by Margin__Walker
Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am
by frodder
Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:
Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:46 am
by SaintK
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am
Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:
Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:09 am
by Sandstorm
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am
Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:
Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind. :sad:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:12 am
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:09 am
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am
Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:
Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind. :sad:
Initial production is from Germany and Holland

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:13 am
by Sandstorm
Saint wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:12 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:09 am
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind. :sad:
Initial production is from Germany and Holland
Price goes up in 5 days

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:22 am
by Saint
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:13 am
Saint wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:12 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:09 am

I’m only 20 miles from there. Can I just go pick it up?

No, wait. Tier 4. Never mind. :sad:
Initial production is from Germany and Holland
Price goes up in 5 days
:clap:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:11 am
by tc27
Makes sense:


Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:16 am
by Saint
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:11 am Makes sense:

Apparently some data (so far unpublished) shows a better efficacy with a larger gap between the first and second dose as well

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:22 am
by Saint
Emergency education statement to be made after the covid tiers statement this afternoon. Schools to delay reopening in 3......2......1........

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:32 am
by robmatic
SaintK wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:46 am
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am
Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:59 am Oxford vaccine approved :thumbup:
Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace
To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:38 am
by tc27
Saint wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:22 am Emergency education statement to be made after the covid tiers statement this afternoon. Schools to delay reopening in 3......2......1........
Jan and Feb are shit in normal times - lockdown in winter with the kids needing entertaining is not gonna be easy.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:49 am
by Slick
robmatic wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:32 am
SaintK wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:46 am
frodder wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:58 am

Get in! Let's roll this out like we've never seen before
Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace
To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.
Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:52 am
by sockwithaticket
Just before the office closed for Christmas my employers (a UK exam board) were insisting that aside from their being pushed back a few weeks, exams would take place as normal this year. I simply don't see how that can happen if we start taking kids out of school for protracted periods again.

For an alarming number of pupils their home situation is not comparable to a school as a learning environment and they will lose out. It'd be a different set of complications to this year's grading cock up, but it would definitely carry on the theme of penalising those most socio-economically disadvantaged. I would've thought everyone concerned would be bending over backwards to avoid those headlines again, even if they don't actually care about the kids getting a decent education and set of grades to carry forward with them.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:06 am
by tc27
Slick wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:49 am
robmatic wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:32 am
SaintK wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:46 am
Yep. Hopefully the government arseholes won't over promise and under deliver as with test, track and trace
To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.
Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.
To me - the failure to close borders in late Feb/early March and the delayed first lockdown were catastrophic mistakes - we can look at other Island nations such as Aus and NZ returning to some form of normality now and reflect on this.

That doesn't mean the parts of the government and state that are getting the vaccine deployed don't deserve praise.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:08 am
by Raggs
Biffer wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:09 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:23 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 pm

I think you might have a lawsuit on your hands if a patient dies after being told they "don''t need to come in for the 2nd dose....."
Surely you could equally argue that if you were next in line, and could have had a 70% effective dose?

Basically, I'm looking at the numbers. 0.7 x 24 million (assuming 6 doses not 5) = 16.8m, so that's roughly 25% of the population vaccinated effectively. Or we could push that upto 50%. 50% is going to have a serious effect on how fast the virus can spread. Especially when combined with a few other millions from the other vaccines.
Firstly, are you really thinking you’ve come up with something nobody else has thought of? Do you really think that no one else is smart enough to have thought of this so it hasn’t been considered?

Secondly, it wouldn’t work. To prevent epidemics of a disease with R=3, you need 67% of the population to be immune. If you’re only providing 70% immunity, you’d need to get that into nearly 100% of the population to prevent epidemic spread. So the better public health response is to give the higher level of protection to the vulnerable. It’s not hard to figure it out if you think a little bit and don’t assume you’re some kind of secret fucking genius.
I'm just gonna leave this here....
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:11 am Makes sense:

Secret fucking genius status confirmed baby!

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:15 am
by Slick
:lol:

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:16 am
by Margin__Walker
Raggs and Tony Blair were onto something.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:19 am
by tc27
It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:23 am
by Raggs
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:19 am It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.
Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:39 am
by I like neeps
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:06 am
Slick wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:49 am
robmatic wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:32 am

To be fair, the UK has been relatively on the ball with the vaccines so far. They arranged the procurement early and from multiple sources and they seem to have worked out the best approach for prioritisation.
Yes, I think that's a fair comment. Despite all the ups and downs I think time will show that they haven't done as bad a job as lots of folk would like to think.
To me - the failure to close borders in late Feb/early March and the delayed first lockdown were catastrophic mistakes - we can look at other Island nations such as Aus and NZ returning to some form of normality now and reflect on this.

That doesn't mean the parts of the government and state that are getting the vaccine deployed don't deserve praise.
Agree. The UK has done very well with vaccination ordering and we shall see with how it's mobilised.

But the death figures are high in any international comparison and so until now ultimately other states did a far better job of protecting their citizens. Social factors yes will come into play but that doesn't absolve the UK if we have higher rates of social factors that have been exacerbated it's not good!

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:31 pm
by Biffer
Raggs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:23 am
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:19 am It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.
Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.
That’s exactly what you were suggesting.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:44 pm
by Raggs
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:31 pm
Raggs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:23 am
tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:19 am It should be noted its still going to be a two dose vaccine - you just get the first one ASAP.
Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.
That’s exactly what you were suggesting.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:48 pm
by Biffer
Raggs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:31 pm
Raggs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:23 am

Of course, I was never suggesting that the 2nd dose isn't given, just that the numbers seem to make more sense to give twice as many people a less effective protection, than half the number a slightly greater one, whilst supplies are low.
That’s exactly what you were suggesting.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.
Wanna get your genius to run through how you get up to 50% of the population, like you suggested, of the Pfizer vaccine, which you were talking about, and still give people a second dose?

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:53 pm
by Raggs
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:48 pm
Raggs wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:31 pm

That’s exactly what you were suggesting.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, clearly in awe of my secret fucking genius. It's normal for the peasants to tremble.
Wanna get your genius to run through how you get up to 50% of the population, like you suggested, of the Pfizer vaccine, which you were talking about, and still give people a second dose?
By waiting for future deliveries, exactly what they'll be doing with the Oxford vaccine. Maybe they won't do it with the pfizer one, but the logic is exactly the same regardless of the vaccine used. Better to give some protection to more people, than slightly better protection to half that number. You can freely admit that it wasn't stupid, and that clearly other people obviously were thinking exactly the same thing. I never claimed to be a genius of any sort, just that the numbers made sense. Feel free not to accept that, but I won't be engaging you on the subject again.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:55 pm
by Biffer
Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:56 pm
by eldanielfire
I like neeps wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:39 am

Agree. The UK has done very well with vaccination ordering and we shall see with how it's mobilised.

But the death figures are high in any international comparison and so until now ultimately other states did a far better job of protecting their citizens. Social factors yes will come into play but that doesn't absolve the UK if we have higher rates of social factors that have been exacerbated it's not good!
The issue with the UK government is that it is slow, slow slow to decide to take action. The same actions for the same lengths of time taken much sooner would have been much, much more effective.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:04 pm
by JM2K6
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:55 pm Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.
As a temporarily neutral referee, allow me to suggest that what he wrote can be read either way. It's inconclusive. And Raggs isn't the kind of dickhead who makes shit up all the time, so benefit of the doubt to the defence in this case.

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:21 pm
by Sandstorm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:04 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:55 pm Ah, the old ‘won’t engage again’ way of pretending to yourself you were right, I see.

You were proposing single dose, you never said anything about a second dose.
As a temporarily neutral referee, allow me to suggest that what he wrote can be read either way. It's inconclusive. And Raggs isn't the kind of dickhead who makes shit up all the time, so benefit of the doubt to the defence in this case.
True, but this Bored doesn't just hand out Secret Genius status willy nilly....

Re: So, coronavirus...

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:25 pm
by JM2K6