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tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:48 pm

Which is sounds a bit better but the fuzzy language and information coming out reminds me (as others said) of testing earlier this year.

Honestly I cant believe the government are not aware this really is their chance to save themselves after having an awful epidemic! If I was Boris I would be on this personally 24/7.

Sam Bowman has suggested paying the GPs massive bonuses per vaccine administered - that would get them going.

GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:44 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:38 pm

Please say you're joking there. Who in their right mind will be hosting a party and who in their right mind would think it would be a good idea to go

If you had 70+ parents you'd probably lose your mind too. I only have one left and I can just about deal with her.

Most people just have two.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:48 pm

Which is sounds a bit better but the fuzzy language and information coming out reminds me (as others said) of testing earlier this year.

Honestly I cant believe the government are not aware this really is their chance to save themselves after having an awful epidemic! If I was Boris I would be on this personally 24/7.

Sam Bowman has suggested paying the GPs massive bonuses per vaccine administered - that would get them going.

Boris is a big picture person famously uninterested in minutiae. The best person for this is a real adminstrative bore. The last person we need is Boris Johnson.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:08 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:48 pm

Which is sounds a bit better but the fuzzy language and information coming out reminds me (as others said) of testing earlier this year.

Honestly I cant believe the government are not aware this really is their chance to save themselves after having an awful epidemic! If I was Boris I would be on this personally 24/7.

Sam Bowman has suggested paying the GPs massive bonuses per vaccine administered - that would get them going.

Boris is a big picture person famously uninterested in minutiae. The best person for this is a real adminstrative bore. The last person we need is Boris Johnson.

If I were a GP I'd be hugely insulted by the idea that I'd need a bonus to incentivise me to "get the vaccination programme going" - decent working conditions and not deliberately running down the entire health service in order to make the case for profiteering from the general health of the population would be a start.

Lets not pander to the publicity, no one that know him calls him Boris, that is a manufactured public image, "Johnson" will do.

The very least you'd expect from a CEO would be the knowledge of where they need help, where they need the details people etc, Johnson fails on every level, yet people voted for that party in knowledge that he'd be PM.

I've looked at the choice of emojies, there isn't really one for "throwing one's hands up in despair"

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:39 am Ah, Bunk.
and Kima too

Good choice

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:08 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:48 pm

Which is sounds a bit better but the fuzzy language and information coming out reminds me (as others said) of testing earlier this year.

Honestly I cant believe the government are not aware this really is their chance to save themselves after having an awful epidemic! If I was Boris I would be on this personally 24/7.

Sam Bowman has suggested paying the GPs massive bonuses per vaccine administered - that would get them going.

Boris is a big picture person famously uninterested in minutiae. The best person for this is a real adminstrative bore. The last person we need is Boris Johnson.

If I were a GP I'd be hugely insulted by the idea that I'd need a bonus to incentivise me to "get the vaccination programme going" - decent working conditions and not deliberately running down the entire health service in order to make the case for profiteering from the general health of the population would be a start.

Lets not pander to the publicity, no one that know him calls him Boris, that is a manufactured public image, "Johnson" will do.

The very least you'd expect from a CEO would be the knowledge of where they need help, where they need the details people etc, Johnson fails on every level, yet people voted for that party in knowledge that he'd be PM.

I've looked at the choice of emojies, there isn't really one for "throwing one's hands up in despair"

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:08 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:48 pm

Which is sounds a bit better but the fuzzy language and information coming out reminds me (as others said) of testing earlier this year.

Honestly I cant believe the government are not aware this really is their chance to save themselves after having an awful epidemic! If I was Boris I would be on this personally 24/7.

Sam Bowman has suggested paying the GPs massive bonuses per vaccine administered - that would get them going.

Boris is a big picture person famously uninterested in minutiae. The best person for this is a real adminstrative bore. The last person we need is Boris Johnson.

If I were a GP I'd be hugely insulted by the idea that I'd need a bonus to incentivise me to "get the vaccination programme going" - decent working conditions and not deliberately running down the entire health service in order to make the case for profiteering from the general health of the population would be a start.

Lets not pander to the publicity, no one that know him calls him Boris, that is a manufactured public image, "Johnson" will do.

The very least you'd expect from a CEO would be the knowledge of where they need help, where they need the details people etc, Johnson fails on every level, yet people voted for that party in knowledge that he'd be PM.

I've looked at the choice of emojies, there isn't really one for "throwing one's hands up in despair"

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:50 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:37 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:36 pm

Keep up.

Boom Boom

Ok....how much Pfizer stock do we have

It was meant as a Viagra joke.

I’ve no idea.

It was a terrible joke

People who do not follow social distancing rules or wear masks "have blood on their hands", an intensive care doctor has warned.
Prof Hugh Montgomery told BBC Radio 5 Live hospitals were facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases and he feared it would get worse after New Year's Eve.
He urged people to accept that it was going to be a "miserable" occasion this year and not to gather in groups.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:48 pm Some strong words from the frontline

People who do not follow social distancing rules or wear masks "have blood on their hands", an intensive care doctor has warned.
Prof Hugh Montgomery told BBC Radio 5 Live hospitals were facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases and he feared it would get worse after New Year's Eve.
He urged people to accept that it was going to be a "miserable" occasion this year and not to gather in groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:09 pm https://t.co/IqMGpRWGOE?amp=1

30% of the student athletes at Ohio State who had covid now have heart damage. Eeesh that's bad.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:42 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:09 pm https://t.co/IqMGpRWGOE?amp=1

30% of the student athletes at Ohio State who had covid now have heart damage. Eeesh that's bad.

So if they didn't have a pre-existing condition for Round 1; they will have for Round 2.

Shows the madness of even contemplating a herd immunity, plan, at the start of this; when the medical community had zero idea of what the long term consequences of even a mild infection would be.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:41 pm Just been in my local Sainsbury’s and there were 3 different groups, already pissed, getting their booze for parties. Not young either

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:09 pm https://t.co/IqMGpRWGOE?amp=1

30% of the student athletes at Ohio State who had covid now have heart damage. Eeesh that's bad.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:17 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:41 pm Just been in my local Sainsbury’s and there were 3 different groups, already pissed, getting their booze for parties. Not young either

My wife went into Waitrose yesterday (John Lewis click and collect combined with the need for a bottle of cider for the gammon I'm cooking at the moment - it's furious about Lewis Hamilton - and some sundries) and there were people loading up on the booze, the thick end of 20 wine bottles on several trollies.

I know Waitrose customers are often retirees who are too refined to be alcoholics even though they plough through the drink like Prohibition is coming back but

no way were they buying for just themselves

.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:48 pm Some strong words from the frontline

People who do not follow social distancing rules or wear masks "have blood on their hands", an intensive care doctor has warned.
Prof Hugh Montgomery told BBC Radio 5 Live hospitals were facing a "tsunami" of Covid cases and he feared it would get worse after New Year's Eve.
He urged people to accept that it was going to be a "miserable" occasion this year and not to gather in groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:48 pm Just seen my 70 year old neighbours daughter, son-in-law, and grandkids pull-up and walk straight into their house. Utter madness

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:15 pm Mrs Saint has pointed out they may be a childcare bubble. So possibly legal, even if extremely stupid.

In other news, 944,500 people received at least 1 dose of vaccine up to Dec 27th

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:15 pm Mrs Saint has pointed out they may be a childcare bubble. So possibly legal, even if extremely stupid.

In other news, 944,500 people received at least 1 dose of vaccine up to Dec 27th

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:22 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:15 pm Mrs Saint has pointed out they may be a childcare bubble. So possibly legal, even if extremely stupid.

In other news, 944,500 people received at least 1 dose of vaccine up to Dec 27th

332 in France with 50% saying they will refuse vaccine in polls.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:26 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:09 pm https://t.co/IqMGpRWGOE?amp=1

30% of the student athletes at Ohio State who had covid now have heart damage. Eeesh that's bad.

Boom! Headshot for that tool Bimbo, plus idiot Scots like NL and OS.

“It won’t kill people under 80 or even harm them”

yermum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:10 am High prevalence of cardiac imaging anomalies in otherwise healthy college athletes recovering from COVID.

Although the immediate and long-term clinical relevance of these findings remains unclear, our study underscores that mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 is not a benign illness, considering that more than one-half of the younger individuals showed subclinical myocardial and pericardial disease.

https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jcmg.2020.10.023



Raises some interesting questions about long term screening.

LONDON (Reuters) - British doctors have said a government decision to delay giving a coronavirus vaccine booster shot to vulnerable patients who have already had a first dose will be distressing and disruptive, their trade union said on Thursday.The government said on Wednesday it wanted to give a first dose to as many people as possible before starting to administer boosters at 12 weeks, in an effort to provide more people with a degree of protection more quickly.

But Dr Richard Vautrey, chair of the British Medical Association (BMA) committee for local family doctors, said it was “grossly and patently unfair to tens of thousands of our most at-risk patients to now try to reschedule their appointments”.

For the newly approved vaccine developed by Oxford University and made by AstraZeneca being rolled out in Britain next week, the plan is consistent with a finding that waiting 12 weeks maximises protection against the virus.

But in the case of the Pfizer/BioNTech shot that is already being given, the manufacturer said the shot had not been evaluated on dosing schedules different from the recommended 21 days.

The BMA said scores of doctors had told it that the new approach would distress vulnerable patients and create logistical problems for healthcare staff.

“The BMA believes these are patients that have already been promised ... that they will receive a second dose of Pfizer vaccination next week; they have given their consent to receive it and, quite rightly, are expecting to have it,” the BMA said.

More than 616,000 people had been given the Pfizer vaccine by Dec. 20, and the first follow-up injections were given this week, at an interval of 21 days.

The BMA said it would support any doctors who decided to honour existing booster appointments, and urged the government to provide a “scientifically validated justification” for its new approach.

After the British government’s announcement on Wednesday, Pfizer said it had no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose was sustained after 21 days.

A spokeswoman for the National Health Service said the new guidance would “increase the number of vulnerable people protected against COVID over the next three months, potentially saving thousands of lives”.

She said financial and practical help was being provided to help accelerate vaccinations.

The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:59 pm Is this the beginnings of another UK government balls up or a risky attempt to get around production/supply issues?
There are well-qualified posters on here that may be able to give a decent view of this.

LONDON (Reuters) - British doctors have said a government decision to delay giving a coronavirus vaccine booster shot to vulnerable patients who have already had a first dose will be distressing and disruptive, their trade union said on Thursday.The government said on Wednesday it wanted to give a first dose to as many people as possible before starting to administer boosters at 12 weeks, in an effort to provide more people with a degree of protection more quickly.

But Dr Richard Vautrey, chair of the British Medical Association (BMA) committee for local family doctors, said it was “grossly and patently unfair to tens of thousands of our most at-risk patients to now try to reschedule their appointments”.

For the newly approved vaccine developed by Oxford University and made by AstraZeneca being rolled out in Britain next week, the plan is consistent with a finding that waiting 12 weeks maximises protection against the virus.

But in the case of the Pfizer/BioNTech shot that is already being given, the manufacturer said the shot had not been evaluated on dosing schedules different from the recommended 21 days.

The BMA said scores of doctors had told it that the new approach would distress vulnerable patients and create logistical problems for healthcare staff.

“The BMA believes these are patients that have already been promised ... that they will receive a second dose of Pfizer vaccination next week; they have given their consent to receive it and, quite rightly, are expecting to have it,” the BMA said.

More than 616,000 people had been given the Pfizer vaccine by Dec. 20, and the first follow-up injections were given this week, at an interval of 21 days.

The BMA said it would support any doctors who decided to honour existing booster appointments, and urged the government to provide a “scientifically validated justification” for its new approach.

After the British government’s announcement on Wednesday, Pfizer said it had no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose was sustained after 21 days.

A spokeswoman for the National Health Service said the new guidance would “increase the number of vulnerable people protected against COVID over the next three months, potentially saving thousands of lives”.

She said financial and practical help was being provided to help accelerate vaccinations.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:13 pm So what does low level protection look like? Only 50% chance you’ll catch Covid? What Tier is that exactly?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:44 pm Jab everyone over 18. Keep kids at home 24/7 until it’s done.

Economy up and running ASAP, vulnerable safe, NHS secure, restaurants kid-free until June. Win-win.

frodder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:46 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:44 pm Jab everyone over 18. Keep kids at home 24/7 until it’s done.

Economy up and running ASAP, vulnerable safe, NHS secure, restaurants kid-free until June. Win-win.

Keeping kids at home 24 x 7 - interesting

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:33 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:13 pm So what does low level protection look like? Only 50% chance you’ll catch Covid? What Tier is that exactly?

From what I have read, the vaccine provides >50% protection with a single dose however that's misleading as if effectively provides almost no protection for the first couple of weeks after vaccination. So, provided you can avoid catching it then, it's >80% effective and also reduces the severity if you do catch it.

Overall effects of just using a single dose, or increasing the time between 1st and 2nd doses hasn't been tested much and so isn't currently known.

Looks like jabbing everybody in the UK ASAP is the best strategy for the current circumstances.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:46 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:17 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:41 pm Just been in my local Sainsbury’s and there were 3 different groups, already pissed, getting their booze for parties. Not young either

My wife went into Waitrose yesterday (John Lewis click and collect combined with the need for a bottle of cider for the gammon I'm cooking at the moment - it's furious about Lewis Hamilton - and some sundries) and there were people loading up on the booze, the thick end of 20 wine bottles on several trollies.

I know Waitrose customers are often retirees who are too refined to be alcoholics even though they plough through the drink like Prohibition is coming back but

no way were they buying for just themselves

.

I'm a retiree and I do if they've got 25% off the really good stuff and stock up my wine store