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Good call

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:01 pm The "Covid is a hoax/why is no one getting flu this year/it's just a cough" brigade would just yell Fake News anyway...

I love the way Aussie are dealing with these little shits - eye-watering fines.

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:10 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm Would any of these nurses record themselves on Youtube? Maybe record the doctor telling the family their 35 year old son is too sick to go to ICU? That kind of message needs to global.

Although there’s a good chance many still won’t care.

NHS staff are still being warned of disciplinary action for going on record about covid

What a great time to pull a bluff on the tie-wearers and ALL do it. Doctors and nurses record details of their last shift and put it onto social media. What can the bosses do then?

Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:16 am

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:10 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm Would any of these nurses record themselves on Youtube? Maybe record the doctor telling the family their 35 year old son is too sick to go to ICU? That kind of message needs to global.

Although there’s a good chance many still won’t care.

NHS staff are still being warned of disciplinary action for going on record about covid

What a great time to pull a bluff on the tie-wearers and ALL do it. Doctors and nurses record details of their last shift and put it onto social media. What can the bosses do then?

What they always do; fuck up their career prospects; make sure they get the shittest of shit duties; put them on worst rosters; deny them their basic rights on holidays; & generally make their lives miserable..

Much better to ask them to leak to the press, just what they should request in their FoI requests, & make it impossible for these trusts to deny the press access to the information that shows the true state of affairs, rather than the air brushed version that #10 prefers.

One of the joys of Brexit will probably be that whistleblowers will no longer get the protection they deserve

First non trial doses of the AZ 'Oxford' vaccine given today.

Will be very limited amounts today as just being given in some hospitals so reactions can be monitored.

I've got the 'rona. Just feel a bit warm, nothing too bad. Kids are completely unaffected.

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 am I've got the 'rona. Just feel a bit warm, nothing too bad. Kids are completely unaffected.

Oh dear! Sorry to hear that. I hope it doesn’t get much worse. Good luck.

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 am I've got the 'rona. Just feel a bit warm, nothing too bad. Kids are completely unaffected.

Ahh, the Russian version.

Hope all goes well.

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 am I've got the 'rona. Just feel a bit warm, nothing too bad. Kids are completely unaffected.

It's AIDS, but the good version..

You can still fly into the UK without any checks from a variety of overseas destinations.

Our government talks tough on immigration and muses plans to use nets and water cannons to stop migrants in the channel but wont implement a travel ban for health reasons...its maddening.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:33 am You can still fly into the UK without any checks from a variety of overseas destinations.

Our government talks tough on immigration and muses plans to use nets and water cannons to stop migrants in the channel but wont implement a travel ban for health reasons...its maddening.

Which destinations? I know police were knocking on doors making sure people who came from south Africa were isolating just before Christmas.

Does seem mad that there still isn't a proper quarantine/testing regime at airports. Understandable in March but not now.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:38 am I know police were knocking on doors making sure people who came from south Africa were isolating just before Christmas.

Hardly foolproof.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:33 am You can still fly into the UK without any checks from a variety of overseas destinations.

Our government talks tough on immigration and muses plans to use nets and water cannons to stop migrants in the channel but wont implement a travel ban for health reasons...its maddening.

You do still need to complete the passenger locator form, but agreed, not even a lateral flow test on arrival

Anguilla
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba
Australia
the Azores
Bahrain
Barbados
Bermuda
Bhutan
Bonaire/St Eustatius/Saba
Botswana (arrivals before 4am 12 December need to self-isolate)
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Cambodia
Cayman Islands
the Channel Islands
Chile
Cuba
Dominica
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
Federated States of Micronesia
Fiji
Finland
Gibraltar
Greek islands: Corfu, Crete, Kos, Rhodes, Zakynthos
Greenland
Grenada
Hong Kong
Iceland
Ireland
the Isle of Man
Israel and Jerusalem (read about the UK position on Jerusalem)
Japan
Kiribati
Laos
Macao (Macau)
Madeira
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritius
Mongolia
Montserrat
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Northern Mariana Islands
Norway
Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands
Qatar
Rwanda
Samoa
Saudi Arabia (arrivals before 4am 12 December need to self-isolate)
Seychelles
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Korea
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Sri Lanka
St Barthélemy
St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Pierre and Miquelon
St Vincent and the Grenadines
Taiwan
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Tonga
Turks and Caicos Islands
United Arab Emirates
Vanuatu
Vietnam

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:50 am Does seem mad that there still isn't a proper quarantine/testing regime at airports. Understandable in March but not now.

It's mad that idiots will still vote for a government that presided over such a shambles.
Are you one of those?

Former Health Secretary not beating about the bush!

Jeremy Hunt, the former Conservative health secretary who now chairs the Commons health committee, is calling for what would effectively be a full lockdown in England now. He says schools and borders should be closed, and all household mixing banned, immediately. He says delaying even for a day will cause “many avoidable deaths”.

https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status ... 450888192

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:33 am You can still fly into the UK without any checks from a variety of overseas destinations.

Our government talks tough on immigration and muses plans to use nets and water cannons to stop migrants in the channel but wont implement a travel ban for health reasons...its maddening.

Operation Moonshot, born, 9th September 2020 & quietly killed on 22nd October 2020

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:44 pm Former Health Secretary not beating about the bush!

Jeremy Hunt, the former Conservative health secretary who now chairs the Commons health committee, is calling for what would effectively be a full lockdown in England now. He says schools and borders should be closed, and all household mixing banned, immediately. He says delaying even for a day will cause “many avoidable deaths”.

https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status ... 450888192

Both Johnson and Hancock have both said new restrictions are coming in as many words so I figure they're either (a) planning new fiscal support and won't lockdown without that e.g. bailing out universities or (b) want to look like they're trying to keep schools open so that the unions can be blamed rather than the politicians. And then just shut them next week when the unions have started court action (which they're already doing according to my sister the teacher)

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:48 pm want to look like they're trying

Boris 101. It's all about the optics and he never makes a hard choice willingly. Softcock still thinks he's like Churchill...

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:56 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:48 pm want to look like they're trying

Boris 101. It's all about the optics and he never makes a hard choice willingly. Softcock still thinks he's like Churchill...

if Churchill was like him, & the rest of his cabinet; you'd all be wearing Lederhosen, & eating Bratwurst.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:33 am You can still fly into the UK without any checks from a variety of overseas destinations.

Our government talks tough on immigration and muses plans to use nets and water cannons to stop migrants in the channel but wont implement a travel ban for health reasons...its maddening.

My cousin flew back to London from the Eastern Cape yesterday.

He was hoping to be told that he couldn't return, but they were happy to let him fly.

Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things maybe but I watched the BBC news feature on the Assange Court case, no social distancing at all among the reporters, etc milling around outside the court.

Seriously, what's wrong with Boris and his cabinet of incompetents?!

He's now said that there is 'no question' that stricter measures are on their way. So what are those measures, when will they be implemented, what do people/businesses need to plan for, and what the hell are they waiting for?
There's no clear communication, but they're encouraging speculation and uncertainty.

Lockdowns will harm the economy, but the uncertainty is at least as harmful, and at least lockdowns should save lives.

Absolutely shockingly poor governing, even by the standards of recent years and months.

Rest of the UK very likely to be the same.

Lock down hard for two months - get the vulnerable vaccinated...it has to be done.

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:29 pm Seriously, what's wrong with Boris and his cabinet of incompetents?!

He's now said that there is 'no question' that stricter measures are on their way. So what are those measures, when will they be implemented, what do people/businesses need to plan for, and what the hell are they waiting for?
There's no clear communication, but they're encouraging speculation and uncertainty.

Lockdowns will harm the economy, but the uncertainty is at least as harmful, and at least lockdowns should save lives.

Absolutely shockingly poor governing, even by the standards of recent years and months.

Damn right. I guess Boris likes to let a fire really get going before he decides to put it out.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:35 pm

Rest of the UK very likely to be the same.

Lock down hard for two months - get the vulnerable vaccinated...it has to be done.

It's been legally enforceable from day 1. This is a return to march or Tier 5 as it's now known.

Boris addressing the country this evening. Lockdown on it's way

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:35 pm

Rest of the UK very likely to be the same.

Lock down hard for two months - get the vulnerable vaccinated...it has to be done.

It's been legally enforceable from day 1. This is a return to march or Tier 5 as it's now known.

Lockdown from Midnight tonight in Scotland
Johnson to hold press conference at 8pm and Parliament recalled tomorrow

Boris announcement redundant as Sturgeon just announced the COBRA decision early just like last Spring.

Wonder if schools are going to shut. If so, I wonder what exactly was learned in this single day, vs how many new covid infections we've managed to spread to various households.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:08 pm Wonder if schools are going to shut. If so, I wonder what exactly was learned in this single day, vs how many new covid infections we've managed to spread to various households.

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:10 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:08 pm Wonder if schools are going to shut. If so, I wonder what exactly was learned in this single day, vs how many new covid infections we've managed to spread to various households.

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Lots of schools had an inset day today

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:10 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:08 pm Wonder if schools are going to shut. If so, I wonder what exactly was learned in this single day, vs how many new covid infections we've managed to spread to various households.

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Lots of schools had an inset day today

Plenty didn't though. If I had sent my son in today, rather than telling them he's not going in for a couple of weeks, I'd be PISSED! I suspect a lot of teachers will be too.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:10 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:08 pm Wonder if schools are going to shut. If so, I wonder what exactly was learned in this single day, vs how many new covid infections we've managed to spread to various households.

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Lots of schools had an inset day today

Yeah, I know. My son's school had one. Certainly helps, but plenty won't have had one.

Just mind numbingly stupid

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:17 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:10 pm

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Lots of schools had an inset day today

Plenty didn't though. If I had sent my son in today, rather than telling them he's not going in for a couple of weeks, I'd be PISSED! I suspect a lot of teachers will be too.

That's true!

Just back from a pre-planned trip to Sainsbury’s.,. About 2.15 the place suddenly got rammed and a very stressed atmosphere. Staff completely caught unawares to far too many folk and huge queues at tills.

I was getting something when an odd chap pulled up next to me and the boy. He suddenly jumped back and shouted “hey you!” Before pulling his knitted cardigan apart to reveal a “keep 2 metres away from me!” T-shirt.

Embarrassment doubled 5 seconds later when son says loudly “daddy, what does twat mean and why did you say it to that man?”

What a shambles this is - not quite sure what they were expecting would happen. Yet again behind the curve

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:17 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:10 pm

Schools will be shut. Like you say, crazy to have allowed so many back after the break for one day, given this was inevitable.

Lots of schools had an inset day today

Plenty didn't though. If I had sent my son in today, rather than telling them he's not going in for a couple of weeks, I'd be PISSED! I suspect a lot of teachers will be too.

What about all those Covid tests for their students that schools were ordered to prepare for tomorrow at very short notice?? Joke govt

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:32 pm

What a shambles this is - not quite sure what they were expecting would happen. Yet again behind the curve

I am staggered the lesson wasn't learnt - better in terms of public health and perception to go hard early with lockdowns and then ease off if possible rather than wait until its too late again - for fucks sake.