NPR

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:58 am**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:16 am
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:32 am Sandstorm was right about the goalposts, this is the Brexit thread.

So there are no positives aside from sticking to the outcome of that referendum? Is that what you are saying?

The following through on democracy in a democracy is a massive benefit once the vote had been had. I keep saying this and even tried to demonstrate this using something you expose.

I’ve again done this in crayon which seems again to have failed.

I’ll try one more time.

What are the benefits other than acting on the result of the referendum?

Is there a problem with the question?

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:02 pm**

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 am
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:31 am There’s no point discussing the merits of Brexit, it’s a done deal, there is no going back. The shitshow that this shambolic government has made of the negotiations on the other hand are an issue.
Why is there no going back?
Because Brexit has happened, that’s the reality. As much as I despise that choice and how it reflects on this country I can’t change that by arguing over something that is soon going to be for historians to reflect on.

I think it’s valid to discuss the merits or folly of a course of action the country is taking

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:33 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:02 pm
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 am

Why is there no going back?
Because Brexit has happened, that’s the reality. As much as I despise that choice and how it reflects on this country I can’t change that by arguing over something that is soon going to be for historians to reflect on.

I think it’s valid to discuss the merits or folly of a course of action the country is taking

Also if leaving was a valid choice, and it was, why can't applying to join again be a valid choice? It's a direction a lot of people wouldn't want, especially those who voted leave, it'd even be a conversation a lot of people wouldn't want among those who voted to remain. But these things aren't decisions that can't be changed, and there's little point pretending we can dictate to the future.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:22 pm**

Felixstowe Port in 'chaos' as Christmas and Brexit loom

Some shipping and haulage companies have complained of "chaos" at Felixstowe Port in Suffolk, affecting goods in the run-up to Christmas.

One ship due to be unloaded at the port last week was redirected to Rotterdam because of "unacceptable" delays.

The owner, Hutchison Ports, blames pre-Brexit stockpiling and the pandemic.

Freight manager Matt Hudson warned that "if the chaos continues, increased shipping prices will be passed on to consumers".

Mr Hudson, whose company distributes goods picked up at the port, said containers were being left on the quayside because haulage companies could not book a slot to enter the site.

"It's delaying freight going into shops for consumers to buy," he said. "Shops are struggling anyway at the moment because of the impact from the coronavirus.

"If retail outlets can't sell what is actually en-route at the moment in time for Christmas, potentially they could lose even more money than they have done already this year."

Last week, Taiwanese shipping firm Evergreen directed one of its ships to bypass Felixstowe because of "serious port congestion". The ship's cargo was unloaded in Rotterdam instead and ferried back to the UK via London's Thamesport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:50 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:22 pm
Felixstowe Port in 'chaos' as Christmas and Brexit loom

Some shipping and haulage companies have complained of "chaos" at Felixstowe Port in Suffolk, affecting goods in the run-up to Christmas.

One ship due to be unloaded at the port last week was redirected to Rotterdam because of "unacceptable" delays.

The owner, Hutchison Ports, blames pre-Brexit stockpiling and the pandemic.

Freight manager Matt Hudson warned that "if the chaos continues, increased shipping prices will be passed on to consumers".

Mr Hudson, whose company distributes goods picked up at the port, said containers were being left on the quayside because haulage companies could not book a slot to enter the site.

"It's delaying freight going into shops for consumers to buy," he said. "Shops are struggling anyway at the moment because of the impact from the coronavirus.

"If retail outlets can't sell what is actually en-route at the moment in time for Christmas, potentially they could lose even more money than they have done already this year."

Last week, Taiwanese shipping firm Evergreen directed one of its ships to bypass Felixstowe because of "serious port congestion". The ship's cargo was unloaded in Rotterdam instead and ferried back to the UK via London's Thamesport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129

Been problems there for months. How’s the container docks looking where you live ?

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:00 pm**

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:33 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:02 pm
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 am

Because Brexit has happened, that’s the reality. As much as I despise that choice and how it reflects on this country I can’t change that by arguing over something that is soon going to be for historians to reflect on.

I think it’s valid to discuss the merits or folly of a course of action the country is taking

Also if leaving was a valid choice, and it was, why can't applying to join again be a valid choice? It's a direction a lot of people wouldn't want, especially those who voted leave, it'd even be a conversation a lot of people wouldn't want among those who voted to remain. But these things aren't decisions that can't be changed, and there's little point pretending we can dictate to the future.

There are no real tangible benefits to Brexit so I doubt you will get much response. There was an advisory vote on Brexit and of those who voted there was a small majority. What has happened since is this useless Gov, rounded off by the incompetent and useless Blonde Bumblecunt, have led us into a situation where we will end up with a scenario that we were told was never going to happen = a no deal brexit. To exit the EU with no deal or a paper thin deal during a world wide pandemic is just a complete shitshow and will harm this country for decades. To do it with little or no real preparations carried out will lead to significant harm to our economy and our population and will signal the end of the BB and his Brexit Ultras. It will take some serious leadership to get us out of the horror show that awaits. Shower of incompetent, arrogant feckers.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:09 pm**

It’s fine. In 4 years we’ll have a Labour PM again.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:59 pm**

Rancid bimbo bait.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:39 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:09 pm It’s fine. In 4 years we’ll have a Labour PM again.

If it’s Starmer and he’s carried on the good work of cleaning out the loons he’ll possibly get my vote.

Posted: **Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:22 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:00 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:33 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:02 pm

I think it’s valid to discuss the merits or folly of a course of action the country is taking

Also if leaving was a valid choice, and it was, why can't applying to join again be a valid choice? It's a direction a lot of people wouldn't want, especially those who voted leave, it'd even be a conversation a lot of people wouldn't want among those who voted to remain. But these things aren't decisions that can't be changed, and there's little point pretending we can dictate to the future.
There are no real tangible benefits to Brexit so I doubt you will get much response. There was an advisory vote on Brexit and of those who voted there was a small majority. What has happened since is this useless Gov, rounded off by the incompetent and useless Blonde Bumblecunt, have led us into a situation where we will end up with a scenario that we were told was never going to happen = a no deal brexit. To exit the EU with no deal or a paper thin deal during a world wide pandemic is just a complete shitshow and will harm this country for decades. To do it with little or no real preparations carried out will lead to significant harm to our economy and our population and will signal the end of the BB and his Brexit Ultras. It will take some serious leadership to get us out of the horror show that awaits. Shower of incompetent, arrogant feckers.

I voted to remain, and I'd do so again tomorrow if given the chance. But I don't have any truck with others voting for a restoration of sovereignty, that I think is a perfectly reasonable position to take and in a democratic vote they took the win. That some people pushed their agenda for legitimate reasons no matter I happen to disagree is a tangible benefit.

Though looking at the reports coming out of Felixstowe citing Brexit as causing problems doesn't leave optimistic as such, and this government's take on negotiating is just out and out worrying, so too their acquiescence in labelling people who don't agree with them as enemies of the people, their willingness to break the law when they don't like their obligations

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:03 am**

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:33 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:02 pm
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 am

Because Brexit has happened, that’s the reality. As much as I despise that choice and how it reflects on this country I can’t change that by arguing over something that is soon going to be for historians to reflect on.

I think it’s valid to discuss the merits or folly of a course of action the country is taking

Also if leaving was a valid choice, and it was, why can't applying to join again be a valid choice? It's a direction a lot of people wouldn't want, especially those who voted leave, it'd even be a conversation a lot of people wouldn't want among those who voted to remain. But these things aren't decisions that can't be changed, and there's little point pretending we can dictate to the future.

I’m not saying joining again isn’t a valid option in the future but that would be a completely different discussion.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:33 pm**

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:45 pm**

No one in the Govt has any experience of trade negotiations. They’re literally making up shit as the go.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:00 pm**

This one is even worse

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:16 pm**

The UK is circa 77% self-sufficient when it comes to milk production (see Figure 1). Levels of future trade will depend on tariff levels for imports into the UK. Current WTO tariff levels for dairy products entering the UK from outside the EU are set at an average of 40%.

Some facts.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:23 pm**

That is a quite astonishing stream of lies & bullshit.

Well; he can keep peddling the lies for another few weeks, till they piss off on their holidays; but come the New Year, he won't be able to deny the empty shelves, & the steady stream of announcements of manufacturing winding down.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:16 pm Some facts.

In 2017, the UK dairy market exported £1.5bn in dairy produce overseas, in 2018 we exported £1.6bn. The vast majority of our dairy exports are sent to the EU, with 78% of UK exports by value and over 90% by volume destined for the EU market.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:08 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:16 pm Some facts.

In 2017, the UK dairy market exported £1.5bn in dairy produce overseas, in 2018 we exported £1.6bn. The vast majority of our dairy exports are sent to the EU, with 78% of UK exports by value and over 90% by volume destined for the EU market.

The UK is circa 77% self-sufficient when it comes to milk

“Self sufficient “

Which bit of this is confusing you?

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:08 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:16 pm Some facts.

In 2017, the UK dairy market exported £1.5bn in dairy produce overseas, in 2018 we exported £1.6bn. The vast majority of our dairy exports are sent to the EU, with 78% of UK exports by value and over 90% by volume destined for the EU market.

The UK is circa 77% self-sufficient when it comes to milk

“Self sufficient “

Which bit of this is confusing you?

So self sufficient is all that matters?

What about businesses that make money exporting cheddar? Should they just close?

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:47 pm**

So self sufficient is all that matters?

What about businesses that make money exporting cheddar? Should they just close?

No, you’re right we should cancel the whole thing because of Cheddar. Who cares about democracy.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm**

Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:50 pm**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Or, maybe they’ll sell in the internal market considering it’s short of product....

Wow, economics at work.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:52 pm**

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

I've always felt that we left the three field system behind all too soon.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:12 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:50 pm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Or, maybe they’ll sell in the internal market considering it’s short of product....

Wow, economics at work.

So no bananas or peaches, but we’ll all buy 2 x more cabbages instead. Yay, rationing is back again!

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:13 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:08 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm

The UK is circa 77% self-sufficient when it comes to milk

“Self sufficient “

Which bit of this is confusing you?
So self sufficient is all that matters?

What about businesses that make money exporting cheddar? Should they just close?

I really feel for Liz Truss.

all that hard work done to sell English cheese, to the mostly lactose intolerant Japanese; & now all that milk will be needed at home.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:27 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:12 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:50 pm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Or, maybe they’ll sell in the internal market considering it’s short of product....

Wow, economics at work.
So no bananas or peaches, but we’ll all buy 2 x more cabbages instead. Yay, rationing is back again!

All those German Bananas...... what will we do,

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:29 pm**

The bananas will rot on the lorry waiting for paperwork, you muppet. And those that get through will cost more.

I thought you were an expert on this shit?

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:02 pm**

This Brexit thread gets weirder by the day

Why would you send bananas that will be rotten before they reach the shelf?

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:03 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:29 pm The bananas will rot on the lorry waiting for paperwork, you muppet. And those that get through will cost more.

I thought you were an expert on this shit?

They come by tunnel from the Caribbean. Nothing busy in Cornwall.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm**

Boris self isolating
Again.....

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:12 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm Boris self isolating
Again.....

Full sell out this week then.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:15 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:12 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm Boris self isolating
Again.....

Full sell out this week then.

Sensible compromise is how I'd describe it.
A pure Brexit is a fantasy

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:05 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm Boris self isolating
Again.....

and Sky show a posed picture of the two jackasses from the meeting that caused this.

Now; your starter for ten points; were they both wearing masks in the picture ?

.... or were the two fuckwits unmasked despite being in the midst of a pandemic that has cause tens of thousands of deaths....

Spoiler

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Fuckwits, cretins, morons, irresponsible arseholes.. in a word Tories !

https://e3.365dm.com/20/11/2048x1152/sk ... 1115205041

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:16 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:05 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm Boris self isolating
Again.....
and Sky show a posed picture of the two jackasses from the meeting that caused this.

Now; your starter for ten points; were they both wearing masks in the picture ?

.... or were the two fuckwits unmasked despite being in the midst of a pandemic that has cause tens of thousands of deaths....

Spoiler
Show
Fuckwits, cretins, morons, irresponsible arseholes.. in a word Tories !

https://e3.365dm.com/20/11/2048x1152/sk ... 1115205041

The fact that NHS Test and Trace told him to self isolate suggests they may have a case to answer. But I'll wait to see how things develop before making any judgement.
Edit
Didn't see your spoiler at first. Looks bad.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:20 pm**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:15 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:12 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:08 pm Boris self isolating
Again.....

Full sell out this week then.
Sensible compromise is how I'd describe it.
A pure Brexit is a fantasy

Are we adding Covid19 to the list of things frustrating democracy and barring the way to the sunlit uplands?

Posted: **Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:41 am**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:12 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:50 pm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Or, maybe they’ll sell in the internal market considering it’s short of product....

Wow, economics at work.
So no bananas or peaches, but we’ll all buy 2 x more cabbages instead. Yay, rationing is back again!

Also, and just to be clear, if one went well beyond the lefty vision of Corbyn such even Corbyn wanted to say 'steady on there we might need to rethink that' that would still be economics at work, any system is economics at work. Just selling in an internal market isn't a move which offsets, trade promotes growth, limiting trade promotes negative growth.

Posted: **Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:27 am**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:50 pm
Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:48 pm Being self-sufficient is all that matters as bimbot says.

Losing a market worth1.6bn is completely insignificant: subsistence farming is the ultimate goal.

Or, maybe they’ll sell in the internal market considering it’s short of product....

Wow, economics at work.

Er, no.

I'm not sure where you learned about economics, but most economists would probably feel you need to sell your products at competitive prices in order to compete.

However, I can see it wouldn't worry you to see farmers going to the wall because their produce has become uncompetitive due to import barriers, delays at customs points and difficulties in obtaining seasonal workers,

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am**

Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

Posted: **Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:51 am**

"Will of the people"

Posted: **Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am**

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

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