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Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:27 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:17 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:16 am Kawa indulging the traditional racist tactics by wandering off on tangential arguments and accusing the abused groups of inconsistency, and not addressing the actual points made.

So you're calling me a racist?

No, I'm saying your tactics are similar to those that racists use.

'Tactics'?

This is a forum, and not even a very popular one FFS.

Conversations develop, parallel themes get discussed, tangential themes get discussed. It's not 'tactics', it was just called conversation and dialogue for the last 3000 years.

The words and language used by Exeter were of specific complaint by the NCAI, not just the logos and iconography. Names are clearly important. Calling native Americans 'Indians' was akin to the phrase 'they all look the same to me'. In short, it was racist. That is racism.

Similar principle to the NAACP no? These organisations weren't set up yesterday. Also IIRC (albeit I'm using Gangs of New York as history...) didn't White Americans used to call themselves the Native Americans to separate themselves from the Ellis Island gang? Probably needed the I for clarity.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:03 am Similar principle to the NAACP no? These organisations weren't set up yesterday. Also IIRC (albeit I'm using Gangs of New York as history...) didn't White Americans used to call themselves the Native Americans to separate themselves from the Ellis Island gang? Probably needed the I for clarity.

Yes. Wouldn't be surprised to see it changed to NAAPC.

Here's the letter sent to Rowe and the Exeter board

https://ncai.org/NCAI.Exeter.Chiefs.Let ... 0.2021.pdf

Christ's sake Tony, just change the logo to an old Wessex Chief and have done with it already.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:34 am Here's the letter sent to Rowe and the Exeter board

https://ncai.org/NCAI.Exeter.Chiefs.Let ... 0.2021.pdf

This presents a really good opportunity for Rowe, and probably his last one, to say "this has really opened my eyes and I'm grateful for them for doing this, we will work with them to change"

Everyone will come out looking good and we can move on.

I wonder...

TREASURER
Shannon Holsey
Stockbridge-Munsee Band of
Mohican Indians

It's pretty wild out here.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:11 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:34 am Here's the letter sent to Rowe and the Exeter board

https://ncai.org/NCAI.Exeter.Chiefs.Let ... 0.2021.pdf

This presents a really good opportunity for Rowe, and probably his last one, to say "this has really opened my eyes and I'm grateful for them for doing this, we will work with them to change"

Everyone will come out looking good and we can move on.

I wonder...

Do you really believe all will move on?

shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:40 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:11 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:34 am Here's the letter sent to Rowe and the Exeter board

https://ncai.org/NCAI.Exeter.Chiefs.Let ... 0.2021.pdf

This presents a really good opportunity for Rowe, and probably his last one, to say "this has really opened my eyes and I'm grateful for them for doing this, we will work with them to change"

Everyone will come out looking good and we can move on.

I wonder...

Do you really believe all will move on?

Certainly more chance than if Rowe stuck his fingers in his ears and went "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:41 am

shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:40 am

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:11 am

This presents a really good opportunity for Rowe, and probably his last one, to say "this has really opened my eyes and I'm grateful for them for doing this, we will work with them to change"

Everyone will come out looking good and we can move on.

I wonder...

Do you really believe all will move on?

Certainly more chance than if Rowe stuck his fingers in his ears and went "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"

At least if he was doing that you could just say he was stubborn. Right now it seems to be more him explaining to them how they are in fact wrong, and what he's doing is respectful.

Rowe should look at totally reframing his team in my opinion. If they remain Exeter then they'll always be the Chiefs with all the associated imagery that has caused offence. I'd suggest to him to change the team name to Devon and pick some pithy alliterative name to accompany it. Devils, Dragons, Dynamos or suchlike.

I know Leeds tried this with the change to Yorkshire which bombed but Yorkshire people and Yorkshire rugby is very different indeed.

inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:03 am Christ's sake Tony, just change the logo to an old Wessex Chief and have done with it already.

This or to an ancient Briton/celtic type chief.

Exeter AGM coming up ...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... nfederate/

Chiefs to "ditch" the imagery

Exeter Chiefs are preparing to ditch their Native American branding after calls from a majority of their supporters to make a change. In a statement Exeter stopped short of confirming their future plans but said a decision on “what the club will do next” would be forthcoming “within the next few weeks.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/202 ... ting-fans

Graun jumping the gun a bit there. It's likely since the statement wasn't a continuation of Rowe's 'Nothing to see here, in fact it's a good thing because we're honouring Native Americans' stance, but the statement in no way says they'll be ditching the branding.

They'll ditch it, guaranteed.

Yep, they are absolutely going to ditch it.

Let's see if they do it gracefully or if its accompanied by resentful screaming from Tony Rowe about woke lefties.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:36 pm Let's see if they do it gracefully or if its accompanied by resentful screaming from Tony Rowe about woke lefties.

He may as well go out screaming. Either way won't make a scrap of difference to the woke lefties.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:31 pm

The new logo is better regardless of the fuss.

Absolutely. This was the right thing to do. Hopefully the fans get on board with the new branding.

They got there in the end, so well done Exeter.

Looks like Ghengis Khan?!

See now? That wasn't so hard was it?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:37 pm Absolutely. This was the right thing to do. Hopefully the fans get on board with the new branding.

They got there in the end, so well done Exeter.

Yup.

It's pretty much what the Exeter fans who wanted change were calling for in the first place

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:39 pm Looks like Ghengis Khan?!

I was going to say Tamurlane. Either way, not a group you want to appropriate if you know what's good for you...

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:39 pm Looks like Ghengis Khan?!

Someone said it looks more llike Rylan, i can see the resemblance

I suppose it's good that it's changed but surely they could have done better than this? It looks like something I could knock up using Canva.

Lets hope they also bin the droning chant too

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:55 pm Lets hope they also bin the droning chant too

I'm assuming they're rebranding all the bars and such in the stadium as well.

Well they had to be dragged there and certainly comments along the way indicated key personnel still don't really see what the problem is, but they've done it and that has to be somewhat applauded.

Is it just me or does the 'Chief's' eye look shut?

It's the lovechild of Rylan and Jack Nowell

PlanetGlyndwr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:02 pm It's the lovechild of Rylan and Jack Nowell

It's completely the latter!




Personally, I think it's a great logo! I won't expect them to go this far, but would be fun to see a woman on the women's team badge (assuming that culture could have had a woman? ... not sure of the history, but Boudicca was one in those days on the other side of the island?)

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:24 pm (assuming that culture could have had a woman? ... not sure of the history, but Boudicca was one in those days on the other side of the island?)

Well if they didn't that'd explain why they died out.

Apparently it's based on the dumnonii tribe from the area back in days of yore

I find the new logo offensive.

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:36 pm I find the new logo offensive.

Do you also have a nipple in the middle of your crown?

assfly wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:36 pm I find the new logo offensive.

The famed South African sense of humour.

Yeah it's fine. A club's logo shouldn't be a talking point and now there's isn't. Well done in the end, broadly everyone has handled themselves in a mature manner here.