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Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:01 pm So no school at all.

Can only go out to exercise once a day.

Yet ...

Communal worship and life event​s-​You can leave home to attend or visit a place of worship for communal worship
In Scotland places of worship are shut and you can exercise as much as you like.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:12 pm
sturginho wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:05 pm He looks fucking haggard
What was with the double flags in the background?
He likes to go over & give them a dry hump every now & then.
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Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:04 pm
Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:01 pm So no school at all.

Can only go out to exercise once a day.

Yet ...

Communal worship and life event​s-​You can leave home to attend or visit a place of worship for communal worship
Do circuits around the church during the mass

Do chinups, or dips during confession.

Sorry, the font isn't big enough to do laps :grin:
High dive off the pulpit. .
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
I'm guessing due to our location, and high proportion of key workers, our school was prepared. About 30 minutes after the speech, we received a text message saying the school will be open for key workers children.
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Especially not after the PM announces 24 hours earlier that schools are to stay open and parents should send their kids in.

Teachers have to change plans, parents now have to sort out home schooling and work arrangements overnight, all the businesses have to postpone/cancel/alter plans and staffing etc. etc.

And whilst it was already clear by Christmas that there would need to be a full lockdown by NYE. It's really shockingly poor governance and 'leadership', especially since we've had over 9 months now to analyse, review and act on the data and the situations.
Over the hills and far away........
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
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C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
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Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:13 pm
Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:01 pm So no school at all.

Can only go out to exercise once a day.

Yet ...

Communal worship and life event​s-​You can leave home to attend or visit a place of worship for communal worship
In Scotland places of worship are shut and you can exercise as much as you like.
It seems you can drive pretty much anywhere you want to exercise in Scotland which seems daft
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
This is poor from the school above all else - it’s far from ideal but staff should be able to make it in.
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Raggs wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:54 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
I'm guessing due to our location, and high proportion of key workers, our school was prepared. About 30 minutes after the speech, we received a text message saying the school will be open for key workers children.
Lucky you. The schools round here are pretty clued up, but apparently none will be available till Wednesday.

Mrs Saint is currently drinking lots of alcohol while she tried to work out how to schedule tomorrow and what can be kicked down the road to later this week. BTW, overtime payment is currently banned......
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
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Seems administration is covered here
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... -workforce
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Mrs Saint to phone the BBC and call Boris out in 5....4....3....
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:10 pm Mrs Saint to phone the BBC and call Boris out in 5....4....3....
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It's going to be a long week.........
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C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:10 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 pm

Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
:eek: Christ on a Crutch
Seems administration is covered here
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-suppo ... -workforce
Seems to be massively at odds with the general reporting of things. Round here we're not short of vaccinators to be fair, it's the admin side. I've volunteered to run admin at our local vaccination centre - first shift this Sunday.
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:07 pm
Raggs wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:54 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
I'm guessing due to our location, and high proportion of key workers, our school was prepared. About 30 minutes after the speech, we received a text message saying the school will be open for key workers children.
Lucky you. The schools round here are pretty clued up, but apparently none will be available till Wednesday.

Mrs Saint is currently drinking lots of alcohol while she tried to work out how to schedule tomorrow and what can be kicked down the road to later this week. BTW, overtime payment is currently banned......
Lucky enough that we don't need to take advantage of the school being open. It's a disgrace basically. I'd hope that no one would vote for the tories again in 20 years. However, then I look at the fact that Trump still did fairly well in the US elections, and figure there's not much hope of that.
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My friend says he was drawing up 2 vaccines every 5 minutes and that he was paid £25 an hour.
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C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:19 pm My friend says he was drawing up 2 vaccines every 5 minutes and that he was paid £25 an hour.
That's why overtime pay is banned in the community I guess
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:21 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:19 pm My friend says he was drawing up 2 vaccines every 5 minutes and that he was paid £25 an hour.
That's why overtime pay is banned in the community I guess
I haven't been paid overtime in over 15 years.
Rarely can I even take TIL.
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C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:24 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:21 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:19 pm My friend says he was drawing up 2 vaccines every 5 minutes and that he was paid £25 an hour.
That's why overtime pay is banned in the community I guess
I haven't been paid overtime in over 15 years.
Rarely can I even take TIL.
Fair enough. TIL accumulation will be ridiculous round here at this rate though, and Band 5/6 have an expectation that they will get it if they don't get overtime. There could be a revolution if that didn't happen
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So the top four groups will receive the first jab by mid Feb, 2nd jab within 12 weeks mean that come April the same groups will need jabs, so the 6 weeks between will be used to start on the next levels, do they then stop to start on 2nd jabs for the first groups, followed by the 2nd, and only then restart on lower groups in July?
As you don't have full protection till the 2nd dose, and the lower groups seem to be the superspreaders, I can't see this lockdown ending anytime soon.
For example, I'm acting as a carer for my parents, both in their 90s. They should have first soon, followed by 2nd in April, but I'm way down the list and will still have to be bloody careful until they get the full dose..
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TB63 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:48 pm So the top four groups will receive the first jab by mid Feb, 2nd jab within 12 weeks mean that come April the same groups will need jabs, so the 6 weeks between will be used to start on the next levels, do they then stop to start on 2nd jabs for the first groups, followed by the 2nd, and only then restart on lower groups in July?
As you don't have full protection till the 2nd dose, and the lower groups seem to be the superspreaders, I can't see this lockdown ending anytime soon.
For example, I'm acting as a carer for my parents, both in their 90s. They should have first soon, followed by 2nd in April, but I'm way down the list and will still have to be bloody careful until they get the full dose..
Look at the people giving the injections in the first place; from the sounds of this, they'll only have been given the first injection, with 70% efficacy; & then they'll be in close contact to everyone they subsequently inject.

If no other group gets the 2nd injection in two weeks; these people definitely should
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Slick wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:06 pm
Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:13 pm
Ymx wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:01 pm So no school at all.

Can only go out to exercise once a day.

Yet ...

Communal worship and life event​s-​You can leave home to attend or visit a place of worship for communal worship
In Scotland places of worship are shut and you can exercise as much as you like.
It seems you can drive pretty much anywhere you want to exercise in Scotland which seems daft
Up to five miles outside your local council area, no more than that.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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TB63 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:48 pm So the top four groups will receive the first jab by mid Feb, 2nd jab within 12 weeks mean that come April the same groups will need jabs, so the 6 weeks between will be used to start on the next levels, do they then stop to start on 2nd jabs for the first groups, followed by the 2nd, and only then restart on lower groups in July?
As you don't have full protection till the 2nd dose, and the lower groups seem to be the superspreaders, I can't see this lockdown ending anytime soon.
For example, I'm acting as a carer for my parents, both in their 90s. They should have first soon, followed by 2nd in April, but I'm way down the list and will still have to be bloody careful until they get the full dose..
The presumption is that once we reach March/April, bother the infection rate and mortality rate will fall off both through vaccination and spring weather. That in turn frees up resource to hopefully deal with increased vaccine supply. The idea is that the AVERAGE vaccine delivery will ultimately be over 2 million per week, so towards the end we'll be handling 2.5-3 million per week
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:24 pm
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:21 pm

That's why overtime pay is banned in the community I guess
I haven't been paid overtime in over 15 years.
Rarely can I even take TIL.
Fair enough. TIL accumulation will be ridiculous round here at this rate though, and Band 5/6 have an expectation that they will get it if they don't get overtime. There could be a revolution if that didn't happen
You need to tell your Mrs to move trusts. We wouldn't be able to operate without OT or TOIL.
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Jock42 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:00 am
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:24 pm

I haven't been paid overtime in over 15 years.
Rarely can I even take TIL.
Fair enough. TIL accumulation will be ridiculous round here at this rate though, and Band 5/6 have an expectation that they will get it if they don't get overtime. There could be a revolution if that didn't happen
You need to tell your Mrs to move trusts. We wouldn't be able to operate without OT or TOIL.
She works for one of the more highly rated trusts. The only real alternative, especially for community, is rated very poor
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Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:08 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:06 pm
Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:13 pm

In Scotland places of worship are shut and you can exercise as much as you like.
It seems you can drive pretty much anywhere you want to exercise in Scotland which seems daft
Up to five miles outside your local council area, no more than that.
Yup, saw there was an update to what I was looking at
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We have just lost over half our most senior Doctors in my area as they are either over 70 and will be shielding or will be shielding because of their Covid risk asessments.

Shit loads of nursing and other staff are expecting to be told to go home and shield imminently.
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C69 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:27 am We have just lost over half our most senior Doctors in my area as they are either over 70 and will be shielding or will be shielding because of their Covid risk asessments.

Shit loads of nursing and other staff are expecting to be told to go home and shield imminently.
So why aren't you vaccinating all your staff before the fossils in your area?
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:35 am
C69 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:27 am We have just lost over half our most senior Doctors in my area as they are either over 70 and will be shielding or will be shielding because of their Covid risk asessments.

Shit loads of nursing and other staff are expecting to be told to go home and shield imminently.
So why aren't you vaccinating all your staff before the fossils in your area?
The staff in the shielding group who have been vaccinated have been told to continue to shield.
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:35 am
C69 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:27 am We have just lost over half our most senior Doctors in my area as they are either over 70 and will be shielding or will be shielding because of their Covid risk asessments.

Shit loads of nursing and other staff are expecting to be told to go home and shield imminently.
So why aren't you vaccinating all your staff before the fossils in your area?
Indonesia is taking an approach like that in general. Vaccinating working age adults before elderly.

A very well organised system would vaccinate those most likely to spread before anyone else, graded in turn in who they were most likely to spread it to.
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Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
There was no need for this last minute decision. The modelling is now pretty sophisticated and, from what I have seen, pretty accurate now compared to the earlier days when everyone was guessing about the virus and how patient care should be provided. Given the Gov knew about the increase in transmission of the new variant some weeks ago, well before Christmas, the modelling would have been quite clear about increasing cases, increased hospitalisation and increase in deaths if nothing was done. It would have taken a competent modeller about 30 mins to revise their models with the new transmission rates and half a day to develop the various scenarios required to bring it under control. Their analysis would have been pretty clear and would have been available to Gov before Christmas, and this is reflected in the advice being provided by Sage and others. To suggest that it was only on Monday that the Blonde Bumblecunt became aware of the impact and the increasing numbers and that this merited an immediate decision on new lock down is a lie of the first order. Everyone knew this was coming and the NHS here was put on an emergency footing some weeks before Christmas. The only explanation for the last minute decision is that the BB and his Brexit Ultras made a decision not to close down earlier for other political reasons. To go on national TV and say schools in England were safe and then to bring kids back for a day to act as super spreaders of a new, more contagious variant borders on the criminal. This Gov is killing people!
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I somehow missed that Rishi Sunak had invited the Great Barrington Declaration chancers - Gupta, Heneghen, et al - to talk to Boris towards the end of last year. No wonder we've been extra idiotic with dithering and delaying since then.
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dpedin wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:29 am
Saint wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
There was no need for this last minute decision. The modelling is now pretty sophisticated and, from what I have seen, pretty accurate now compared to the earlier days when everyone was guessing about the virus and how patient care should be provided. Given the Gov knew about the increase in transmission of the new variant some weeks ago, well before Christmas, the modelling would have been quite clear about increasing cases, increased hospitalisation and increase in deaths if nothing was done. It would have taken a competent modeller about 30 mins to revise their models with the new transmission rates and half a day to develop the various scenarios required to bring it under control. Their analysis would have been pretty clear and would have been available to Gov before Christmas, and this is reflected in the advice being provided by Sage and others. To suggest that it was only on Monday that the Blonde Bumblecunt became aware of the impact and the increasing numbers and that this merited an immediate decision on new lock down is a lie of the first order. Everyone knew this was coming and the NHS here was put on an emergency footing some weeks before Christmas. The only explanation for the last minute decision is that the BB and his Brexit Ultras made a decision not to close down earlier for other political reasons. To go on national TV and say schools in England were safe and then to bring kids back for a day to act as super spreaders of a new, more contagious variant borders on the criminal. This Gov is killing people!
We all know that the blonde slug has dithered yet again with his messages changing from one extreme to the other in a matter of hours
That is why the other liar in chief, Gove was sent out on the morning news shows to double down on the lies today
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Know a guy who runs the Hampshire Royal Mail sorting office and his Posties were all out from 6am today because they were ordered to have testing kits at all county schools by 9am today. Many have been returned as there was no-one at those schools to receive it.
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Paramedics in LA now being told not to transport patients with little chance of survival; & now they're rationing Oxygen
"Effective immediately, due to the severe impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on EMS and 9-1-1 Receiving Hospitals, adult patients (18 years of age or older) in blunt traumatic and nontraumatic out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) shall not be transported [if]return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) is not achieved in the field," the agency said in a memo issued to ambulance workers last week.
If there are no signs of breathing or a pulse, EMS will continue to perform resuscitation for at least 20 minutes, the memo said. If the patient is stabilized after the period of resuscitation, they would then be taken to a hospital. If the patient is declared dead at the scene or no pulse can be restored, paramedics will no longer transport the body to the hospital.

And the shortage of oxygen, given the high number of Covid-19 patients, has also pressured the system to conserve supply.
"Given the acute need to conserve oxygen, effective immediately, EMS should only administer supplemental oxygen to patients with oxygen saturation below 90%," EMS said in a memo to ambulance crews Monday.
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:54 pm Paramedics in LA now being told not to transport patients with little chance of survival; & now they're rationing Oxygen
"Effective immediately, due to the severe impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on EMS and 9-1-1 Receiving Hospitals, adult patients (18 years of age or older) in blunt traumatic and nontraumatic out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) shall not be transported [if]return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) is not achieved in the field," the agency said in a memo issued to ambulance workers last week.
If there are no signs of breathing or a pulse, EMS will continue to perform resuscitation for at least 20 minutes, the memo said. If the patient is stabilized after the period of resuscitation, they would then be taken to a hospital. If the patient is declared dead at the scene or no pulse can be restored, paramedics will no longer transport the body to the hospital.

And the shortage of oxygen, given the high number of Covid-19 patients, has also pressured the system to conserve supply.
"Given the acute need to conserve oxygen, effective immediately, EMS should only administer supplemental oxygen to patients with oxygen saturation below 90%," EMS said in a memo to ambulance crews Monday.
They have the new strain there too (well, in new york at least). I fear America is going to go downhill fast now. There again, we're not looking to do much better.
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Our school has said that because so many parents qualify as key workers (including me) that they have "consulted the County Council" and apparently they only have to take kids with 2 key worker parent or with no other suitable adult at home. Not sure that's true, but it looks like screaming, tantrums and massive damage to my children's education is back on the menu as neither of us are bloody teachers and the house isn't a place of learning for the kids it's a place of play and rest and trying to force a six year old to understand otherwise is a pointless exercise

Fuck this fucking virus and double fuck the fucking Tories.
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Both myself and my wife work for the NHS and much to my daughters annoyance we threaten to send her to school if she annoys us.

She went for 2 days at the last lock down and she was only 1 of 3 in a year of 235 that went in.
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This lockdown is already proving harder than the first, which I quite enjoyed to be honest.

Kids 9 months older, shite weather. Not looking forward to this at all.
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