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Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:43 pm**

I really cannot compute the extent to which the EU had dropped the ball on vaccine procurement.

With the variant identified in the UK now gaining traction elsewhere in Europe and no substantial vaccines numbers until the end of the year its going to get very grim.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:49 pm**

Suggests that the UK may have in fact made the right choice by going alone for procurement?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:59 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:49 pm Suggests that the UK may have in fact made the right choice by going alone for procurement?

At the time we were told it was English exceptionalism from a neo fascist government. The EU does a number of things very well, but on others has some serious defects. This would be one.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:26 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:59 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:49 pm Suggests that the UK may have in fact made the right choice by going alone for procurement?
At the time we were told it was English exceptionalism from a neo fascist government. The EU does a number of things very well, but on others has some serious defects. This would be one.

Not just on procurement. Germany wanted to increase its order of the Pfizer vaccine, but this was vetoed by France, and the EU agreed that equal numbers of the Pfizer and the vaccine being developed in France would be maintained. In this case, keeping French industry happy was considered more important than getting sufficient supplies of the Pfizer vaccine.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:26 pm**

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:02 pm**

UK COVID-19 daily reported cases pass 60,000 for the first time
60,916.

Christ!!

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:06 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:59 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:49 pm Suggests that the UK may have in fact made the right choice by going alone for procurement?
At the time we were told it was English exceptionalism from a neo fascist government. The EU does a number of things very well, but on others has some serious defects. This would be one.

Of course, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t english exceptionalism from a neofascist government. Hitler got the trains running on time, doesn’t mean his social policy was much whack.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:40 pm**

So this press conference is all about defending the late action by the government.

Sorry, but if Whitty and Vallance only discussed and advised for further measures yesterday morning then they should probably reconsider their positions - the writing has been on the wall since just before Christmas. You could even debate 1-2 weeks earlier, when the new variant was officially announced, and many other European counties announced additional measures.

I imagine there's a reason the more honest Prof Van Tam isn't there today.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm**

That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:57 pm**

French economic protectionism. Good if you're French, but I have no idea why the rest of EU agreed to it.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:00 pm**

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:17 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:44 pm Nah, BJ conducted plenty of Starmer approved U turns in 2020. Why make 2021 any different
Starmer didn't call for schools to be closed, he called for a November style lockdown and then said it's inevitable more schools do close.

I think he's realised schools will close and the media will pulverise him for siding with the unions? I don't know.

Slightly contentious theory here.

Is it possible that the schools were sent back for a day to 'mark' the end of the holidays and put them in the mindset of being at school? so they could crack on with on line learning?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:02 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:49 pm Suggests that the UK may have in fact made the right choice by going alone for procurement?

Absolutely this is an Euro moment all over again. Slated at the time , proved to be the genius move.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:02 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!

"Alas" um er, yes but, um er "alas" it will be a toughg final stretch but things really will be a lot different by the Spring, um er!
Always looks like a sack of shit as well

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:04 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
Christ on a Crutch

The difficult bit is mixing the vaccine not sticking someone with a needle...

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:06 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!

disagree I thought it was a pretty assured performance he looks a lot better than he did a couple of months ago. (Didn't see the questions as it makes me want to kill people)

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:07 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!

In fairness to Boris - I dont think I've said that before - I'm not sure how he could have answered a question about the specifics of one person's health other than with generalities.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:10 pm**

I thought the question about data charges that parents are running up for on-line teaching was a very good one. Somebody needs to have a word with the broadband providers.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:12 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:10 pm I thought the question about data charges that parents are running up for on-line teaching was a very good one. Somebody needs to have a word with the broadband providers.

Don't most BB providers offer unlimited data as standard?? (within fair use policies)

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:16 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:12 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:10 pm I thought the question about data charges that parents are running up for on-line teaching was a very good one. Somebody needs to have a word with the broadband providers.
Don't most BB providers offer unlimited data as standard?? (within fair use policies)

My mistake, the question was worded on the lines of children trying to learn on mobile phones, specifically PAYG.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:18 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:16 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:12 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:10 pm I thought the question about data charges that parents are running up for on-line teaching was a very good one. Somebody needs to have a word with the broadband providers.
Don't most BB providers offer unlimited data as standard?? (within fair use policies)
The question was worded on the lines of children trying to learn on mobile phones, specifically PAYG.

Christ that would cost a fortune.

Surely kids without access to a computer at home would come under the vulnerable banner and be entitled to go to school??

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:23 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:18 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:16 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:12 pm

Don't most BB providers offer unlimited data as standard?? (within fair use policies)
The question was worded on the lines of children trying to learn on mobile phones, specifically PAYG.
Christ that would cost a fortune. Surely kids without access to a computer at home would come under the vulnerable banner and be entitled to go to school??

There should also be a laptop or tablet potentially available to those without access. However only about 50% to 60% of those promised in the first lockdown were actually delivered despite Williamson’s promises

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:27 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:06 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!
disagree I thought it was a pretty assured performance he looks a lot better than he did a couple of months ago. (Didn't see the questions as it makes me want to kill people)

“I didn’t see the England match, but I thought Farrell was really good at 12”

Idiot

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:27 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:00 pm
I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:17 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:44 pm Nah, BJ conducted plenty of Starmer approved U turns in 2020. Why make 2021 any different
Starmer didn't call for schools to be closed, he called for a November style lockdown and then said it's inevitable more schools do close.

I think he's realised schools will close and the media will pulverise him for siding with the unions? I don't know.
Slightly contentious theory here.

Is it possible that the schools were sent back for a day to 'mark' the end of the holidays and put them in the mindset of being at school? so they could crack on with on line learning?

Great idea! Lets have kids mix with lots of relatives and friends during Xmas and New Year, even if they were told not to, then come to school for a day potentially infected with an even more virulent version of the virus to meet friends and give them hugs and kisses and then send them home to infect mum, dad and granny. Its almost like the good old days of chickenpox parties, except this virus kills lots more folk. Even Trump couldn't match this super spreader event, and christ knows he has had lots of attempts!

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:28 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:23 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:18 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:16 pm

The question was worded on the lines of children trying to learn on mobile phones, specifically PAYG.
Christ that would cost a fortune. Surely kids without access to a computer at home would come under the vulnerable banner and be entitled to go to school??
There should also be a laptop or tablet potentially available to those without access. However only about 50% to 60% of those promised in the first lockdown were actually delivered despite Williamson’s promises

there mustn't be any tories with mates who are flogging overpriced tablets

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:00 pm**

Laptops sold out back in March.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:12 pm**

salanya wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:54 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 pm Lack of planning and preparedness strikes again. Schools can open for key workers children but weren't notified band as a result none locally are open tomorrow. Out of a planned shift of 8 local district nurses, only 2 will be available. That's not even enough to cover all the insulin doses, let along the dressing changes, drivers, etc, This stuff can't be done last minute like this
Especially not after the PM announces 24 hours earlier that schools are to stay open and parents should send their kids in.

Teachers have to change plans, parents now have to sort out home schooling and work arrangements overnight, all the businesses have to postpone/cancel/alter plans and staffing etc. etc.

And whilst it was already clear by Christmas that there would need to be a full lockdown by NYE. It's really shockingly poor governance and 'leadership', especially since we've had over 9 months now to analyse, review and act on the data and the situations.

The centrists on PR are saying Boris has done well with a bad hand. What say you?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:15 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:06 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!
disagree I thought it was a pretty assured performance he looks a lot better than he did a couple of months ago. (Didn't see the questions as it makes me want to kill people)

'Course you did. That's because you've only ever recognised assuredness in complete twunts.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:22 pm**

What are Kiwis thoughts on the 72 hour requirement for a negative covid test before coming here from the UK/USA?

I get the logic but it seems the MoH/Minister may have gone too short with the timeframe given the practicalities overseas. For example, results are only guaranteed within 72 hours in the UK but with check in times and opening hours, that may mean people cannot receive the result they need to travel within the specified period.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/c ... sensecheck

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:28 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:04 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 pm

Well clearly it can and is being done at the last minute time and time and time again.
As an aside regarding the vaccinations, my friend who is a nurseis doing some vaccinations at a local GP surgery.
Well he isn't actually doing the need into the Deltoid that is being done by untrained staff, the majority of which are the GPs or practice nurses kids back from Uni. They have a little bit of training apparently via a video link.
The nursing staff draw up the doses etc and them to the kids to jab the needle into the deltoid.
Nice little earner for the kids the nurses and the GPs who will meet their QOF I suppose.

I thought he was taking the piss but he really wasn't.
Christ on a Crutch
The difficult bit is mixing the vaccine not sticking someone with a needle...

Mrs Saint says you don't know what you're talking about

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:53 pm**

Can’t they package the vaccine in an epipen so that anyone can use it?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:00 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:53 pm Can’t they package the vaccine in an epipen so that anyone can use it?

1 - it sounds like it's not stable when diluted, so likely not safe
2 - it needs to be delivered into a muscle
3 - you still need a qualified person to sign off on each dose - ensuring that there's no allergies, disqualifying conditions etc

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:08 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:00 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:53 pm Can’t they package the vaccine in an epipen so that anyone can use it?
1 - it sounds like it's not stable when diluted, so likely not safe
2 - it needs to be delivered into a muscle
3 - you still need a qualified person to sign off on each dose - ensuring that there's no allergies, disqualifying conditions etc

So it’s basically a fucking Lada.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:13 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:27 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:06 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!
disagree I thought it was a pretty assured performance he looks a lot better than he did a couple of months ago. (Didn't see the questions as it makes me want to kill people)
“I didn’t see the England match, but I thought Farrell was really good at 12”

Idiot

I was talking about him addressing the nation not the irrelevant bit afterwards where journalists in love with the sound of their own voices ask utterly banal and irrelevant questions. Moron

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:15 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:28 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:04 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 pm

Christ on a Crutch
The difficult bit is mixing the vaccine not sticking someone with a needle...
You have to invert x10 slowly clean top of vial and neck of saline then draw up 1.8 mls of saline then inject into vial slowly not allowing needle to enter liquid then pull out 1.8 mls air then remove needle invert x10 then vial ready to draw up O.3 mls off each dose ready to inject !!

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:16 pm**

Muttonbird wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:15 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:06 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm That was possibly one of the worst performances from the Blonde Bumblecunt! Talk about rabbit in the headlights, he was just plain awful and erodes rather than builds public confidence. His response to the girls question about her Mothers mental health was just plain bad, no empathy, no understanding, no real answers just 'we're spending millions of £££s, your money, somewhere or another on mental health, hmm, ehh, ahh ...'

He clearly isn't in command of his role and needs to feck off!
disagree I thought it was a pretty assured performance he looks a lot better than he did a couple of months ago. (Didn't see the questions as it makes me want to kill people)
'Course you did. That's because you've only ever recognised assuredness in complete twunts.

Well you are assuredly the biggest twunt of all!!

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:31 pm**

London ambulance service not coping: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 82473.html

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:45 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:15 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:28 pm
Openside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:04 pm

The difficult bit is mixing the vaccine not sticking someone with a needle...
Mrs Saint says you don't know what you're talking about
My sister who is a nurse and has done the course on vaccinating says Mrs Saint is confused...

Nurse-fight! She's looking to take a LOT of frustration out on someone ATM

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:47 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:08 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:00 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:53 pm Can’t they package the vaccine in an epipen so that anyone can use it?
1 - it sounds like it's not stable when diluted, so likely not safe
2 - it needs to be delivered into a muscle
3 - you still need a qualified person to sign off on each dose - ensuring that there's no allergies, disqualifying conditions etc
So it’s basically a fucking Lada.

A lot of vaccines and drugs are like this. They have to be delivered in highly concentrated forms to stay stable, and they're almost never surface injections

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:48 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:48 am I somehow missed that Rishi Sunak had invited the Great Barrington Declaration chancers - Gupta, Heneghen, et al - to talk to Boris towards the end of last year. No wonder we've been extra idiotic with dithering and delaying since then.

I see the eminent professors are still being judged by an IT worker as “chancers”

And the mattresses are soaking over here.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:03 pm**

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