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He’s fucked if the s’lebs want him gone. I think he’ll go I we the next 2/3 weeks
I hope so... bearing in mind the fucked up idea US politics has about candidates and suitability could throw up a lame duck, surely, as Jon Stewart said last week, the desire and appetite for someone who can speak and shoot straight is there, the US is crying out for someone who can walk without falling, talk without falling and fucking be a decent human being...
As the piece I read said, there is no way Clooney does that without Obamas blessing, so it’s got serious.Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:19 amI hope so... bearing in mind the fucked up idea US politics has about candidates and suitability could throw up a lame duck, surely, as Jon Stewart said last week, the desire and appetite for someone who can speak and shoot straight is there, the US is crying out for someone who can walk without falling, talk without falling and fucking be a decent human being...
who have the Democrats got? Someone who can cut through Trump's bullshit and call it how it is without alienating more than 50% of an electorate that thinks it's god fearing, honest and there to protect against the evils of homersexuals, aliens and commies.
Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:48 amAs the piece I read said, there is no way Clooney does that without Obamas blessing, so it’s got serious.Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:19 amI hope so... bearing in mind the fucked up idea US politics has about candidates and suitability could throw up a lame duck, surely, as Jon Stewart said last week, the desire and appetite for someone who can speak and shoot straight is there, the US is crying out for someone who can walk without falling, talk without falling and fucking be a decent human being...
who have the Democrats got? Someone who can cut through Trump's bullshit and call it how it is without alienating more than 50% of an electorate that thinks it's god fearing, honest and there to protect against the evils of homersexuals, aliens and commies.
I guess that Californian guy is the obvious choice
Yeah... she's said it just isn't in her soul.
Bernie Sanders? He’s older than Biden!troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
If the past two weeks are any indication, we already know what a second Biden term would look like. Any public appearance will be subjected to forensic examination for gaps in the president’s memory. Any effort to shield him from the public or the press will be met with a ferocious backlash — which could then force him to do even more public appearances, inevitably restarting the hand-wringing over his competence should a slip-up occur. And this for a politician who was gaffe-prone in the best of times.
Policy initiatives will be overshadowed by questions over who is pulling the president’s strings. Calls for regular cognitive and neurological tests will become a regular part of the political discourse. A second presidential term that was already burdened with the political disadvantages that faced Biden’s predecessors will be incalculably more difficult because of questions about his age.
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I placed a bet 4 months ago: 100 quid at 30 to 1 that Hillary is the nominee. Cash out growing daily…Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:38 amBernie Sanders? He’s older than Biden!troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
News on as candidate is also a serious option, as is the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
It was either News Agents or The Rest Is Politics, but they mentioned that Harris would have to stay involved if Biden's chucked because the whole ticket being scrapped would mean the Dems would have to give back all the money they've already fundraised and start again.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
I've seen that mentioned as well. They could find some kind of way to transfer the money by setting up a PAC or something but it would be difficult and laborious, but if the candidate was Harris it'd pass through seamlessly.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:32 amIt was either News Agents or The Rest Is Politics, but they mentioned that Harris would have to stay involved if Biden's chucked because the whole ticket being scrapped would mean the Dems would have to give back all the money they've already fundraised and start again.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
From what little I've seen of him, Newsome seems the only choice from the prominent Dems. I suspect they've been grooming him to run in 2028 anyway.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:32 amIt was either News Agents or The Rest Is Politics, but they mentioned that Harris would have to stay involved if Biden's chucked because the whole ticket being scrapped would mean the Dems would have to give back all the money they've already fundraised and start again.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
From what little I've seen of him, Newsome seems the only choice from the prominent Dems. I suspect they've been grooming him to run in 2028 anyway.
I'm no expert, but I get the impression that she's not particularly liked by the democratic establishment - not disliked either, mind - as she's particularly bland and non-commital, so neither aligns that well with the progressives or the centre right of the party. Consensu seems to be that she was largely selected as Biden's running mate in 2020 to be the literal opposite of his 'male, pale & stale' rather than because anyone particularly rates her.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:10 amI've seen that mentioned as well. They could find some kind of way to transfer the money by setting up a PAC or something but it would be difficult and laborious, but if the candidate was Harris it'd pass through seamlessly.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:32 amIt was either News Agents or The Rest Is Politics, but they mentioned that Harris would have to stay involved if Biden's chucked because the whole ticket being scrapped would mean the Dems would have to give back all the money they've already fundraised and start again.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
From what little I've seen of him, Newsome seems the only choice from the prominent Dems. I suspect they've been grooming him to run in 2028 anyway.
I get the fear that she's a black woman so there's a substantial subset that would be put off by her, but more and more I reckon that'd be mostly trump voters anyway, and someone eloquent and passionate would reinvigorate the centre ground to the Democrats. I think the vast majority are less susceptible to old prejudices than many think.
J.D. Vance and Doug Burnum are the front runners apparently. I have no idea who they are.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:21 amsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:32 amIt was either News Agents or The Rest Is Politics, but they mentioned that Harris would have to stay involved if Biden's chucked because the whole ticket being scrapped would mean the Dems would have to give back all the money they've already fundraised and start again.troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
From what little I've seen of him, Newsome seems the only choice from the prominent Dems. I suspect they've been grooming him to run in 2028 anyway.
Interesting about the fundraising rules. I think there are so many rules and regulations that comes into play should Biden bow out, that this saga might be one of the worst political blunders in history.
I don't actually follow politics anymore, not South African nor any other country, especially not the US'S. Politics have become such a shit-show even the jokes about it isn't funny anymore.
My whole post about the possibilities was not really meant to be taken seriously, it was a trolling attempt.
From the bits I've read and saw, Newsom isn't that popular either, apparently California isn't exactly running like a Swiss watch.
But i can't really opine, I'm not really up to date.
Who does the bookies say it's going to be Trumps VP pick?
Maybe Clooney should offer himself up as a candidate if he's so against Biden.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:07 amSlick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:48 amAs the piece I read said, there is no way Clooney does that without Obamas blessing, so it’s got serious.Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:19 am
I hope so... bearing in mind the fucked up idea US politics has about candidates and suitability could throw up a lame duck, surely, as Jon Stewart said last week, the desire and appetite for someone who can speak and shoot straight is there, the US is crying out for someone who can walk without falling, talk without falling and fucking be a decent human being...
who have the Democrats got? Someone who can cut through Trump's bullshit and call it how it is without alienating more than 50% of an electorate that thinks it's god fearing, honest and there to protect against the evils of homersexuals, aliens and commies.
I guess that Californian guy is the obvious choice
There was a thing I saw last week that showed polls on one Democrat who beats Trump handily, unfortunately Michelle Obama doesn’t want to run.
She's much less popular with the base than she was when she lost to trump the first time round. Why on earth would they expect it to go any better?TedMaul wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:23 amI placed a bet 4 months ago: 100 quid at 30 to 1 that Hillary is the nominee. Cash out growing daily…Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:38 amBernie Sanders? He’s older than Biden!troglodiet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:27 am The best 4 options for the Dems imo:
1) Biden goes, Harris takes over as prez, and she runs, with Williamson as her running mate. Harris 2024.
2) Bernie + AOC: Bernie 2024 in a tough race. Chance of it going the wrong way by a fraction of a percent, giving us Orange Vaginabreath.
3) Biden/Harris: as per #2 above.
4) Hillary + Newsom: Clinton by a landslide.
I can't see any other option that could be competitive against the Fascist Nazi.
News on as candidate is also a serious option, as is the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
Exactly. Plus she's 76 years old. Dems should bin Biden and bring in someone much younger and run that narrative against Old Man Orange.
Exactly !JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:02 pmShe's much less popular with the base than she was when she lost to trump the first time round. Why on earth would they expect it to go any better?
Could easily spin it too...
There's no spinning her facing the same opposition & losing previously. None !Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:55 pmCould easily spin it too...
Joe: It's clear I'm too old to lead into the next four years. I endorse this young buck...
Younger, Sharper Orator: Here's a reminder of all the ways that rambling orange pile of blubber you keep saying is better is also too old and senile for it (plus having no plan, his racism, Project 2025 and all his convictions)
Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:57 am Article in the FT pointing out that even if Biden keeps the nomination, and then wins the election, this issue is all that will be talked about for four years
This unfortunately.If the past two weeks are any indication, we already know what a second Biden term would look like. Any public appearance will be subjected to forensic examination for gaps in the president’s memory. Any effort to shield him from the public or the press will be met with a ferocious backlash — which could then force him to do even more public appearances, inevitably restarting the hand-wringing over his competence should a slip-up occur. And this for a politician who was gaffe-prone in the best of times.
Policy initiatives will be overshadowed by questions over who is pulling the president’s strings. Calls for regular cognitive and neurological tests will become a regular part of the political discourse. A second presidential term that was already burdened with the political disadvantages that faced Biden’s predecessors will be incalculably more difficult because of questions about his age.
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I think Biden has been a fine public servant and has the nation's best interests at heart but the hard call needs to be made here.
If there's one thing we need to get our heads around regarding politics over the last say, 10 year span. That is that populism is winning and it throws up inconvenient realities for those of us who are probably relatively progressive in our outlook. We are the enemy... progressives are seen by a sizeable chunk of westerners as the cause of their daily problems. It's arrogant of us (as a collective) to assume the 'other side' are simplistic or ill informed, yet many do. Hilary Clinton and her 'deplorables' comment is an example...
In the USA and UK in particular no one has done anything about 40 or so years of widening economic inequality. Economic growth means fuck all if all of it is taken by top 1%.Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:28 amIf there's one thing we need to get our heads around regarding politics over the last say, 10 year span. That is that populism is winning and it throws up inconvenient realities for those of us who are probably relatively progressive in our outlook. We are the enemy... progressives are seen by a sizeable chunk of westerners as the cause of their daily problems. It's arrogant of us (as a collective) to assume the 'other side' are simplistic or ill informed, yet many do. Hilary Clinton and her 'deplorables' comment is an example...
what the Left consistently fails to understand or articulate is the need for simple, clear messaging about down to earth, daily problems... lofty concepts like man made climate change forcing mass migrations and food production failures mean jack shit to Otis losing his job down at the John Deere factory.
It's terrifyingly understandable that Trump has such appeal. His rivals have their heads up their own arses.
It's much like the ridicule we have seen about the "rise of the far right" in Europe from many media outlets in this country. Instead of looking down at these people they really need to do more to start understanding their concerns as most are nowhere near "far right".Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:28 amIf there's one thing we need to get our heads around regarding politics over the last say, 10 year span. That is that populism is winning and it throws up inconvenient realities for those of us who are probably relatively progressive in our outlook. We are the enemy... progressives are seen by a sizeable chunk of westerners as the cause of their daily problems. It's arrogant of us (as a collective) to assume the 'other side' are simplistic or ill informed, yet many do. Hilary Clinton and her 'deplorables' comment is an example...
what the Left consistently fails to understand or articulate is the need for simple, clear messaging about down to earth, daily problems... lofty concepts like man made climate change forcing mass migrations and food production failures mean jack shit to Otis losing his job down at the John Deere factory.
It's terrifyingly understandable that Trump has such appeal. His rivals have their heads up their own arses.
Most angry people are basically afraid. It's an overly simplistic take but perhaps it would help sell a political position to bear that in mind. People like Trump know it... they prey upon it.Blackmac wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:37 am
It's much like the ridicule we have seen about the "rise of the far right" in Europe from many media outlets in this country. Instead of looking down at these people they really need to do more to start understanding their concerns as most are nowhere near "far right".
Yeah, for sure... but as Jon Stewart quipped some time in the last week or so... we've been shouting about Trump's fuckups for the last ten years. It doesn't stop him.
I understand all of that and the failure of the Democrats (or more liberal parties) to generate a clear message about what their policies are intended to achieve particularly in the short-term but at the same time, it is strange that genuine improvements in wages, employment, inflation, etc., those issues that are important to your example of Otis at John Deere, are not recognised by the people who actually benefit from them.Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:28 amIf there's one thing we need to get our heads around regarding politics over the last say, 10 year span. That is that populism is winning and it throws up inconvenient realities for those of us who are probably relatively progressive in our outlook. We are the enemy... progressives are seen by a sizeable chunk of westerners as the cause of their daily problems. It's arrogant of us (as a collective) to assume the 'other side' are simplistic or ill informed, yet many do. Hilary Clinton and her 'deplorables' comment is an example...
what the Left consistently fails to understand or articulate is the need for simple, clear messaging about down to earth, daily problems... lofty concepts like man made climate change forcing mass migrations and food production failures mean jack shit to Otis losing his job down at the John Deere factory.
It's terrifyingly understandable that Trump has such appeal. His rivals have their heads up their own arses.