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ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:15 am ffs - speaking of hyperbole ?! its got valid point about people being afraid to get tested ; come out that they're positive - Hogan was being an utter Cnut and giving 2 fingers to everyone else ; lets not conflate the 2

See the two bolded bits -have a think about that.

Really sick of people calling for heads or sackings though.

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:19 am

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:15 am ffs - speaking of hyperbole ?! its got valid point about people being afraid to get tested ; come out that they're positive - Hogan was being an utter Cnut and giving 2 fingers to everyone else ; lets not conflate the 2

See the two bolded bits -have a think about that.

I did, I was there when I thought it

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:08 am And this is exactly what a "witch hunt" atmosphere creates :

Over 70% of people across all socio-economic groups believed that someone who contracts Covid-19 has been careless or reckless in following public health advice, according to a survey carried out by the ESRI.

The research by the Economic and Social Research Institute found that fear of being blamed may be a barrier to arranging a test quickly when symptoms appear.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/202 ... s-ireland/

Creating an atmosphere of fear means that people are afraid to come forward which means we have community outbreaks that no one is aware of. A virus is a virus, and doesn't know or care if you have been self isolating or not, or what exactly comprises "essential travel", or whether there were 50 people at the wedding you attended, or 80. And there should be no blame attached to catching covid - it is just unfortunate, it can and does happen to anyone.

Yet we are creating an atmosphere of blame and finger pointing, which does nothing in our fight against covid except undermine it.

Great to see myself and ER are rubbing off more.

lorcanoworms wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:25 am Really sick of people calling for heads or sackings though.

You end up with the Cummings situation where they do what they like and then brazen it out because, as we saw with Calleary, the mob is never satisfied.

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:15 am ffs - speaking of hyperbole ?! its got valid point about people being afraid to get tested ; come out that they're positive - Hogan was being an utter Cnut and giving 2 fingers to everyone else ; lets not conflate the 2

But you're forgetting that Hogan is a Blueshirt. If you say that he did wring then you're obviously a Shinner or a Trot and desire the end of all life as we know it.

I often wonder if national stereotypes are ever true.

Well after this if we lose an EU Commissioner on trade and Brexit transition about to end, creating serious self harm here, we can never complain when we're referred to as thick paddies.... .because we fucking are

Could be good Duff?

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:03 am hyperbole ? what have I said that isn't accurate ? - the fcuking ejit broke every rule out there, government called him on it - end of. you've lads on here saying its the worst move by a government in the history of the EU, that it gives the likes of Orban ammunition and assorted other outrage.....if you want to call out hyperbole maybe scroll back a few posts - and yeah, the Shinners can fcuk off because they're as bad attending funerals....happy ?

END OF!? Fuck off

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:09 pm Could be good Duff?

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Before jumping on the bandwagon should we not at this stage be comparing accuracy before jumping in at the deep end with ease of use?

.OverThere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:46 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:09 pm Could be good Duff?

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Before jumping on the bandwagon should we not at this stage be comparing accuracy before jumping in at the deep end with ease of use?

Ease of use is almost as important as specificity/sensitivity for a pandemic like this. They won’t get approved unless they are reasonably good anyway. It’s like Michael Ryan said perfect is the enemy of good. It would be a massive milestone in the fight against Covid, I know the drug companies are very confident that their vaccine will be ready within 6months but that would not just a record time for a vaccine it would be insanely fast, can’t see how they could do their full testing in that time

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:00 pm

.OverThere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:46 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:09 pm Could be good Duff?

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Before jumping on the bandwagon should we not at this stage be comparing accuracy before jumping in at the deep end with ease of use?

Ease of use is almost as important as specificity/sensitivity for a pandemic like this. They won’t get approved unless they are reasonably good anyway. It’s like Michael Ryan said perfect is the enemy of good. It would be a massive milestone in the fight against Covid, I know the drug companies are very confident that their vaccine will be ready within 6months but that would not just a record time for a vaccine it would be insanely fast, can’t see how they could do their full testing in that time

Personally I'm a little doubtful of the current testing that finding all the asymptotic positives.
I would not be surprised if it was discovered that the tests produce a high number of false positives amongst the group that actually caught the disease a few months ago. The residue is possibly causing the positive test.
I base this on the low hospitalisation.
Another factor I have not yet seen considered for the issue of why there are so many young people in the data.
The young uploaded the track and trace to their phones, but possibly a very small no. of older people. Hence an imbalance in the profile.

Listen at this stage give people any old shit

'And you are the first to try our new pro-nucleaic T-9 receptive tertiary Covid therapy'
'Smells like Angel Delight to be honest'
'Yes tastes like it to. What a marvellous coincidence'
'I feel better already'
'Wash it down with this Lucazoidal Oxygenatar'
'Smells like Lucoza...'
'Moving on'

"We're at the tipping point with Covid" according to Stephen Donnelly.

Makes a change from the "next two weeks will tell us a lot" being repeated for 6 months now.

.OverThere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:33 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:00 pm

.OverThere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:46 pm

Before jumping on the bandwagon should we not at this stage be comparing accuracy before jumping in at the deep end with ease of use?

Ease of use is almost as important as specificity/sensitivity for a pandemic like this. They won’t get approved unless they are reasonably good anyway. It’s like Michael Ryan said perfect is the enemy of good. It would be a massive milestone in the fight against Covid, I know the drug companies are very confident that their vaccine will be ready within 6months but that would not just a record time for a vaccine it would be insanely fast, can’t see how they could do their full testing in that time

Personally I'm a little doubtful of the current testing that finding all the asymptotic positives.
I would not be surprised if it was discovered that the tests produce a high number of false positives amongst the group that actually caught the disease a few months ago. The residue is possibly causing the positive test.
I base this on the low hospitalisation.
Another factor I have not yet seen considered for the issue of why there are so many young people in the data.
The young uploaded the track and trace to their phones, but possibly a very small no. of older people. Hence an imbalance in the profile.

I don't discount this stuff (virus less virulent, false positives etc) but still think we are misreading the data that was there from March.

Realistically there was at least 10 times the number of cases that were reported at various points. All hospitalisation data needs to be put into that context. As I illustrated last night, it's very possible that over the course of a month with 2k-3k cases that we won't see more than a handful of ICUs.

Young one woke up with no fever and reduced sniffles. Doctor not concerned. Yay!

Am slightly surprised that he wasn't sent just to be sure but I guess they'd be testing most kids at some stage with that attitude.

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:19 pm Young one woke up with no fever and reduced sniffles. Doctor not concerned. Yay!

Am slightly surprised that he wasn't sent just to be sure but I guess they'd be testing most kids at some stage with that attitude.

Yeah my toddler had a scratchy throat and mild sniffles last week. Phoned the doc expecting they'd be cautious and recommend a test but doc said it was grand

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038119.html

Killeen again. He was telling us we were doomed in May.

Another Zero Covid, narrow interested academic that is getting unrelenting and uncritical free column space in the media. It's still funny that he was boasting to everyone that he knew this was a big deal in March.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:25 pm https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038119.html

Killeen again. He was telling us we were doomed in May.

Another Zero Covid, narrow interested academic that is getting unrelenting and uncritical free column space in the media. It's still funny that he was boasting to everyone that he knew this was a big deal in March.

Parents of the school going kids should be cautious again with their own parents, especially in the first month or two.
This time, no absolutes, only caution.

.OverThere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:34 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:25 pm https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038119.html

Killeen again. He was telling us we were doomed in May.

Another Zero Covid, narrow interested academic that is getting unrelenting and uncritical free column space in the media. It's still funny that he was boasting to everyone that he knew this was a big deal in March.

Parents of the school going kids should be cautious again with their own parents, especially in the first month or two.
This time, no absolutes, only caution.

That's a perfectly fair position. We will all do what we can, within what is reasonable, to avoid Covid.

Killeen is unchallenged though on his big picture predictions. His predictions are horseshit and have been for months. 10k cases a day, get out. He was talking about 10s of thousands of deaths 3 months ago after we opened up from 2km to 5km. It is actually disgraceful that he is allowed these kinds of media spreads without challenge.

Also what is this bollix based on;

Even without reopening the schools, we are already in trouble. The tragedy is if we maintained what we were doing all the way up to the end of June we could be reopening the schools safely today.

We didn’t have quarantines
We had no control over our border with NI

So it was nothing to do with what we did up to June. This virus will spread, we know that. Himself and his pals wanted us to go the NZ and South Korea route, countries that have just closed schools again.

It is outrageous that he can say this stuff. We could have kept things closed all summer yes, and incurred all the costs (economic and social) of that, which he happily won’t deal with, but there is no evidence that on what we did up until June that we could have reopened schools safely. The virus could be at a lower level, but would spread again in 2 or 3 weeks. And we’d close schools in October. A complete spoofer that continues to get time in our press.

164 cases, no deaths.

We are now a month into this mini-surge.

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:25 pm https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038119.html

Killeen again. He was telling us we were doomed in May.

Another Zero Covid, narrow interested academic that is getting unrelenting and uncritical free column space in the media. It's still funny that he was boasting to everyone that he knew this was a big deal in March.

are expert opinions only relevant if they're from a virologist or epidemiologist ? this might have been acceptable in march, April, may but we're pretty much into September and we still don't seem to be getting a a lot of coverage from economists, sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists of the impact of our approach to the pandemic

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:36 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:25 pm https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40038119.html

Killeen again. He was telling us we were doomed in May.

Another Zero Covid, narrow interested academic that is getting unrelenting and uncritical free column space in the media. It's still funny that he was boasting to everyone that he knew this was a big deal in March.

are expert opinions only relevant if they're from a virologist or epidemiologist ? this might have been acceptable in march, April, may but we're pretty much into September and we still don't seem to be getting a a lot of coverage from economists, sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists of the impact of our approach to the pandemic

Ask the lads here who kept saying they were "following the experts".

So Slatterys in Beggars Bush have decided to close because of a case amongst a part time member of staff.

Bastard publicans though.

Hogan gone. Stupid cünts. There is nobody left for me to vote for

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm Hogan gone. Stupid cünts. There is nobody left for me to vote for

Disaster.

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm Hogan gone. Stupid cünts. There is nobody left for me to vote for

Madness. The mob wins again. If only we'd stomped on the water protesters we would have kept this shit in check. We should have borrowed water cannons from the north, loaded them with evian and blasted some respect into the cunts

And all the thick bastards online going yippee. I think this eclipses the Shinners performance in the election for all out stupidity. The Governments performance in all this was so inward facing and bathed in short termism that it makes me sick. Leo can fück off and Micheál can do the same and as for docile Ryan...The Brits must be breaking their bollox laughing.

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:19 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm Hogan gone. Stupid cünts. There is nobody left for me to vote for

Madness. The mob wins again. If only we'd stomped on the water protesters we would have kept this shit in check. We should have borrowed water cannons from the north, loaded them with evian and blasted some respect into the cunts

I've said it for a long time that the Irish Water response fücked us and was a foretaste of how stupid Leo Varadkar is

Lilyw is probably having a furious, drunken wank right about now.

What's the shittest portfolio available in the commission? That's the one we're going to get. Verstager will probably get trade. I wonder what gimp the government are going to nominate?

Gav wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:29 pm What's the shittest portfolio available in the commission? That's the one we're going to get. Verstager will probably get trade. I wonder what gimp the government are going to nominate?

Willie O'Dea, Commissioner for Defamation

Bruton wouldn't be bad always done well in most of his portfolios. Not sure how much of a hard nosed negotiator he would be though. And not sure FG want a by-election

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:24 pm

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:19 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm Hogan gone. Stupid cünts. There is nobody left for me to vote for

Madness. The mob wins again. If only we'd stomped on the water protesters we would have kept this shit in check. We should have borrowed water cannons from the north, loaded them with evian and blasted some respect into the cunts

I've said it for a long time that the Irish Water response fücked us and was a foretaste of how stupid Leo Varadkar is

Varadkar was Minister for health during the Irish water crisis.

This country is becoming ungovernable.

I know what he was and he came straight out and starts sowing the seeds of doubt. He thought he was being clever but he was just being a halfpenny Machiavelli

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:23 pm And all the thick bastards online going yippee. I think this eclipses the Shinners performance in the election for all out stupidity. The Governments performance in all this was so inward facing and bathed in short termism that it makes me sick. Leo can fück off and Micheál can do the same and as for docile Ryan...The Brits must be breaking their bollox laughing.

Yep. We just lost the most important job in Europe, for Ireland; to appease the mob.

Now Ireland will have a massively reduced influence over what kind of, & how fast we can put together a Trade deal after the Hard Brexit happens; & the same wankers in the mob will be bitching about the inevitable consequences we see then.

What I want to see now is public out cry for SF attending that funeral, is there an investigation into that up north ?

Munster man!!!!! wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:33 pm Bruton wouldn't be bad always done well in most of his portfolios. Not sure how much of a hard nosed negotiator he would be though. And not sure FG want a by-election

What about John Bruton?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:35 pm

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:23 pm And all the thick bastards online going yippee. I think this eclipses the Shinners performance in the election for all out stupidity. The Governments performance in all this was so inward facing and bathed in short termism that it makes me sick. Leo can fück off and Micheál can do the same and as for docile Ryan...The Brits must be breaking their bollox laughing.

Yep. We just lost the most important job in Europe, for Ireland; to appease the mob.

Now Ireland will have a massively reduced influence over what kind of, & how fast we can put together a Trade deal after the Hard Brexit happens; & the same wankers in the mob will be bitching about the inevitable consequences we see then.

Not that I don't see your point here, but would it have been too much to ask for Hogan to have enough cop on to just not go to the golf dinner? I know he probably couldn't have had any idea how it would blow up, but still.