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Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:06 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:57 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:55 am The amount of rugby people and "fan pages" raging that Genge got pinged for angling in supported by a picture of Koch at 45 is laughable considering the penalty was for Genge going to his knee before anyone moved off straight.
The only picture I have seen is Genges knee briefly on the ground before the balls in.

If that was something OKeefe thought was a penalty why did he let the scrum go ahead? Or not indicate advantage?

Could have been for a number of reasons. It was a big moment in the game and it was important to get it right. Maybe he wanted to give himself a second in his thought process, maybe he was willing to let it go but felt that caused Koch to go inside at an angle due to his right shoulder being pushed down and realised it should be penalised. The act in itself was small but screwed the whole scrum in the end.

Either way it was the correct decision.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:08 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:53 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:43 am https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... SApp_Other
That's a pretty big accusation and one that should be investigated quickly.
If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.

He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:12 am**

Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:53 am

That's a pretty big accusation and one that should be investigated quickly.
If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.
He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.

I totally agree. Will Curry have the guts to stand up for this? Dont think so.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:18 am**

Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:53 am

That's a pretty big accusation and one that should be investigated quickly.
If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.
He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.

It's funny. I've re watched it from the 26th to 30th minute and I can't see Curry speaking to the ref at all.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:22 am**

Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:06 am
tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:57 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:55 am The amount of rugby people and "fan pages" raging that Genge got pinged for angling in supported by a picture of Koch at 45 is laughable considering the penalty was for Genge going to his knee before anyone moved off straight.
The only picture I have seen is Genges knee briefly on the ground before the balls in.

If that was something OKeefe thought was a penalty why did he let the scrum go ahead? Or not indicate advantage?
Could have been for a number of reasons. It was a big moment in the game and it was important to get it right. Maybe he wanted to give himself a second in his thought process, maybe he was willing to let it go but felt that caused Koch to go inside at an angle due to his right shoulder being pushed down and realised it should be penalised. The act in itself was small but screwed the whole scrum in the end.

Either way it was the correct decision.

Disagree it was either a penalty when it happened or it wasn't.

But it all equals out..England diffused the bok mauls by semi illegal means.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:38 am**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:33 am
Sards wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:42 am We were very lucky.

When the English coaches were smiling and cheerful after being 9 points up I thought it was over. They looked really confident.
Thought they were home and dry after the Farrell DG.

Sadly for them it didn't age well

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:55 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:12 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 am
If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.
He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.
I totally agree. Will Curry have the guts to stand up for this? Dont think so.

Curry is the problem here?

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am**

Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:03 am**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:18 am
Big D wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 am
If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.
He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.
It's funny. I've re watched it from the 26th to 30th minute and I can't see Curry speaking to the ref at all.

Was in 23rd minute according to the Times

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.

..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!

What's that supposed to mean?

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
What's that supposed to mean?

If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:16 am**

Watched the match again in full this morning, sober and calmer.

On reflection England weren't as good as I felt last night, and SA weren't as rubbish. Both teams looked very limited. That said, a review also brought home more strongly how difficult the conditions were.

If it's dry on Saturday I really can't see SA beating NZ. The ABs are just too good and savvy to go down to unambitious, muscle rugby.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:33 am**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
What's that supposed to mean?
If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion

No, no, I mean will Curry have the guts to report Bongi. I mean this lot did the kneeling shite.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:44 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:33 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am

What's that supposed to mean?
If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion
No, no, I mean will Curry have the guts to report Bongi. I mean this lot did the kneeling shite.

Curry has obviously already reported it, to the ref at the time and his team management. It's up to them to take it further though if there is no audio evidence it will be one man's word against the other.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:55 am**

Whiney Punk were Bongis exact words

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:57 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:44 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:33 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am

If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion
No, no, I mean will Curry have the guts to report Bongi. I mean this lot did the kneeling shite.
Curry has obviously already reported it, to the ref at the time and his team management. It's up to them to take it further though if there is no audio evidence it will be one man's word against the other.

Well this is now in the SA press. It is a serious accusation and I hope they slam him if true (will probably give apartheid the reason).

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:07 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!

If he called Bongi a white cunt it would have been pretty odd....

This seems to be a nothing story by the British press

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:09 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:57 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:44 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:33 am

No, no, I mean will Curry have the guts to report Bongi. I mean this lot did the kneeling shite.
Curry has obviously already reported it, to the ref at the time and his team management. It's up to them to take it further though if there is no audio evidence it will be one man's word against the other.
Well this is now in the SA press. It is a serious accusation and I hope they slam him if true (will probably give apartheid the reason).

Is it? I'm sure you've said far worse

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:42 pm**

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:07 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
If he called Bongi a white cunt it would have been pretty odd....

This seems to be a nothing story by the British press

What an extremely strange response.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:10 pm**

This guy is a bloody modern day Viking.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:16 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:11 pm
My mum could prop against Sinkler these days.

It's surprisingly difficult to move from hooker to prop.

* Sorry Slick, that was just being to be said.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:31 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:43 am Borthwick completely narrrowed Englands focus to kick/kick chasing, maul defence and tackling...I would be surprised if an attacking move was practised all week.

SA had no idea what to do against a teams refusing to play against them and actually being better physically (scrums last 20 minutes aside).

Its what makes rugby so fascinating..the worlds no1 side and reigning champions one dodgy OKeefe decision away from being turned over by a coach thats lost at home to Scotland coming up with an almost perfect antidote to their strengths.

Lost to Scotland? Lost 4 of the last 6 vs Scotland who are also higher ranked team.. so cnutish comment..

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:22 pm**

I missed this.

Hilarious

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:25 pm**

troglodiet wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:16 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:11 pm
My mum could prop against Sinkler these days.

It's surprisingly difficult to move from hooker to prop.

very sharp

* Sorry Slick, that was just being to be said.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:39 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
What's that supposed to mean?
If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion

Unhelpful. It should be unacceptable either way.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:42 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:39 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:15 am
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:06 am

What's that supposed to mean?
If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion
Unhelpful. It should be unacceptable either way.

What if Curry made this up?

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:42 pm**

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:07 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:59 am Yeah, assuming he didn't completely make it up, Curry's not the problem here.

Doesn't seem to be on ref mic, so even if it did happen, Bongi should be okay. I doubt there will be any kind of formal complaint from England/Curry.
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
If he called Bongi a white cunt it would have been pretty odd....

This seems to be a nothing story by the British press

Seriously fecked up comment.
This must be investigated and sorted before the final.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:48 pm**

Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:31 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:43 am Borthwick completely narrrowed Englands focus to kick/kick chasing, maul defence and tackling...I would be surprised if an attacking move was practised all week.

SA had no idea what to do against a teams refusing to play against them and actually being better physically (scrums last 20 minutes aside).

Its what makes rugby so fascinating..the worlds no1 side and reigning champions one dodgy OKeefe decision away from being turned over by a coach thats lost at home to Scotland coming up with an almost perfect antidote to their strengths.
Lost to Scotland? Lost 4 of the last 6 vs Scotland who are also higher ranked team.. so cnutish comment..

Some form of trolling I suspect.

Clearly the England of the last 5 or so years loosing to the Scotland of the last 5 or so years isn't a slur on England.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:54 pm**

There is something rotten with this SA team, out of control coach, abusing HIA protocols and now this

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:55 pm**

troglodiet wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:16 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:11 pm
My mum could prop against Sinkler these days.

It's surprisingly difficult to move from hooker to prop.

* Sorry Slick, that was just being to be said.

That’s OK, I expect that would be the height of humour in SA

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:06 pm**

Saffers is this likely?

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:08 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:54 pm There is something rotten with this SA team, out of control coach, abusing HIA protocols and now this

You’re nearly unhinged about the Boks.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:08 pm**

It will turn out to be a nothing incident I expect and an unwanted distraction, the Boks use Afrikaans and English for action words, because of the multilingual nature of the side. In the France match you can hear Le Roux shouting "almal chase" meaning "everyone chase", but in proper Afrikaans it would be "almal jaag". This is normal in SA environments where men that speak different languages are brought together (the mines, the prisons, usually it's English mixed with Afrikaans or Zulu). "Kant" just means "side" in Afrikaans. If you've watched much SA rugby or played in SA, "blind kant", meaning "blind side" is something you would've heard. My guess is "white kant" was telling the Bok defence the ball was on the white side of ruck. Cunt isn't a word used much/at all in SA, something like "wit vark" meaning "white pig" would be a go to Afrikaans racial slur.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:10 pm**

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:08 pm It will turn out to be a nothing incident I expect and an unwanted distraction, the Boks use Afrikaans and English for action words, because of the multilingual nature of the side. In the France match you can hear Le Roux shouting "almal chase" meaning "everyone chase", but in proper Afrikaans it would be "almal jaag". This is normal in SA environments where men that speak different languages are brought together (the mines, the prisons, usually it's English mixed with Afrikaans or Zulu). "Kant" just means "side" in Afrikaans. If you've watched much SA rugby or played in SA, "blind kant", meaning "blind side" is something you would've heard. My guess is "white kant" was telling the Bok defence the ball was on the white side of ruck. Cunt isn't a word used much/at all in SA, something like "wit vark" meaning "white pig" would be a go to Afrikaans racial slur.

Someone has the facts.

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:26 pm**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:13 pm 'White Kant'

Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:43 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:26 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:13 pm 'White Kant'
Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:13 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:42 pm
Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:07 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:05 am
..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!
If he called Bongi a white cunt it would have been pretty odd....

This seems to be a nothing story by the British press
Seriously fecked up comment.
This must be investigated and sorted before the final.

Lol, I've never even heard a soutie use the word "cunt" never mind some one of Bongi's background. It's just Curry being an ignorant twat and trying to get an opposition player in trouble with the ref, also the British press doing their thing by trying to create controversy to sell papers. As for the "other way around" comment , it seems to be spouted by some dodgy people on Twitter decrying black on white racism, so apologies if I don't take it that seriously

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:16 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:26 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:13 pm 'White Kant'
Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever

Hilarious, but Afrikaans "kant" is pronounced the same as the English word "cunt".

Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:17 pm**

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:16 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:26 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:13 pm 'White Kant'
Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever
Hilarious, but Afrikaans "kant" is pronounced the same as the English word "cunt".

That was pretty funny tbf.

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