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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:21 am The same they did when Kolisi started. Now Ox claim he deserve his spot. Kak, Ox was his biggest critics just show with their obsession with the du Preez twins.

Takes me back to explaining to Yank13 that saying a player should be in the squad doesn't mean you don't rate them. I rated Marcell Coetzee and Jaco Kriel ahead of Kolisi, said they should all be in the squad. Du Preez twins weren't a factor back then.

Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:25 am

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:45 am My fok Ox, you really are digging a big hole there to get enough soil to build your hill.

It's simple, Rassie has made it very clear from the get-go, he prefers his captain close to the coal face. He was a loose forward himself and he knows that there is where the real hard decisions are made, not with the glamour boys in the back.

Which is why he has selected Pollard as captain ahead of Etzebeth and Pieter Steph du Toit. Etzebeth and Du Toit already played as captain before, but make Pollard captain because it must always be a forward.

I am correct SFM doesn't stand much chance of being captain whilst Rassie is involved. He'll be doing well to get ahead of Libbok, I give him no chance of replacing Pollard. Doesn't matter how good he is, that's not how Rassie selects players.

SFM is too smiley and jokey (and young) to be anywhere near Bok Captain. I doubt he'll even be Stormers Captain ever.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am
Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Well there's another reason he's there. Injuries. Plus Lood.

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:31 am too smiley and jokey

Suspiciously "windgat" and soutie.

Hans Moleman small robust oke from Boland, plays hooker and can taking a beating, experienced, dour never smiled in his life ... he's our guy!

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:21 am The same they did when Kolisi started. Now Ox claim he deserve his spot. Kak, Ox was his biggest critics just show with their obsession with the du Preez twins.

Takes me back to explaining to Yank13 that saying a player should be in the squad doesn't mean you don't rate them. I rated Marcell Coetzee and Jaco Kriel ahead of Kolisi, said they should all be in the squad. Du Preez twins weren't a factor back then.

Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

In fairness, you also want Cameron Wright to be the bok 9. So there's that...

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

Keeping my powder dry with my instructions for Rassie. He listened to my last set of instructions on team selections for the 2nd AB test.

Have to save up for the next instruction, it'll be a big one. Make "windgat" Cameron Wright the Bok captain.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:38 am Make "windgat" Cameron Wright the Bok captain.

Surely Rassie needs to pick Siya Masuku first to make them the perfect 9/10 partnership?

Although if there's competition to start at 10 for both Siya and Sacha, then I don't know how many times Sards with lose his flip-flops!

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:36 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am
Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Well there's another reason he's there. Injuries. Plus Lood.

He is a very good Afrikaans speaker.

The only Afrikaans word from Kolisi speeches is "Dankie". sound a bit like Donkey.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:38 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

Keeping my powder dry with my instructions for Rassie. He listened to my last set of instructions on team selections for the 2nd AB test.

Have to save up for the next instruction, it'll be a big one. Make "windgat" Cameron Wright the Bok captain.

I see your mound is ready now. You've clambered to the top and all that is left is for you to die on it.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:38 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:21 am The same they did when Kolisi started. Now Ox claim he deserve his spot. Kak, Ox was his biggest critics just show with their obsession with the du Preez twins.

Takes me back to explaining to Yank13 that saying a player should be in the squad doesn't mean you don't rate them. I rated Marcell Coetzee and Jaco Kriel ahead of Kolisi, said they should all be in the squad. Du Preez twins weren't a factor back then.

Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

In fairness, you also want Cameron Wright to be the bok 9. So there's that...

And Bok captain. And assistant coach, he can teach the other 9s how to kick from hand and tackle properly.

Oh no! you're still digging. Just remember, the deeper you dig the higher the mound gets. You might get stuck in the hole and never get to climb the hill.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:49 am The only Afrikaans word from Kolisi speeches is "Dankie". sound a bit like Donkey.

Eisch. You are obviously butt hurt

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

Moerat is hondkak.

Just look at his international stats.....frankly embarrassing.


We all know that the ANC is involved in his selection through his father....

Interesting. Stomps are obsessed with tackle stats to justify selections but in Moerats case it doesn't count.

He is not popular amongst rugby pundits

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:01 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:38 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am
Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

Keeping my powder dry with my instructions for Rassie. He listened to my last set of instructions on team selections for the 2nd AB test.

Have to save up for the next instruction, it'll be a big one. Make "windgat" Cameron Wright the Bok captain.

I see your mound is ready now. You've clambered to the top and all that is left is for you to die on it.

Wherever I happen to be I'll always be atop the hills of Westville. Didn't clamber up, I was born on it. No one is dying, Majuba and Spion Kop are different hills. No one has dug a hole either that's Oom's clan from the Northern Cape, digging a new groot gat in support of Moerat.

It was an honour to support Wright on here when others were disgracefully attacking him.

Perhaps Moerat is one of those type of players that Kolisi spoke about. A player that has shown he is willing to learn, a player that has something but can be upskilled.

Perhaps the players you back are not of those who think they need to upskill. Like the du Preez broers who perhaps think that no one can teach them something because Pa het ons als geleer.

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:42 am Perhaps Moerat is one of those type of players that Kolisi spoke about. A player that has shown he is willing to learn, a player that has something but can be upskilled.

Perhaps the players you back are not of those who think they need to upskill. Like the du Preez broers who perhaps think that no one can teach them something because Pa het ons als geleer.

ANC connection through his dad.

Get the tin foil guys, our politicians broke all our top locks so that their man can get a chance to play.

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:42 am Perhaps Moerat is one of those type of players that Kolisi spoke about. A player that has shown he is willing to learn, a player that has something but can be upskilled.

Perhaps the players you back are not of those who think they need to upskill. Like the du Preez broers who perhaps think that no one can teach them something because Pa het ons als geleer.

Moerat comes from a big rugby family, he's not some nobody who wouldn't have been taught by his father. His father played in the SARU structures (outside the SA Rugby Board structures, in protest, it was ANC aligned), along with guys like Peter de Villiers and Alister Coetzee. In a place like Paarl there would be Federation structures (SA Rugby Board aligned, think Errol Tobias and Avril Williams) and SARU structures which were mostly built around coloured clubs. When all the governing bodies were amalgamated it was all called SARU, which makes it confusing to explain. The Moerat family is strongly connected to the Vineyards club in Paarl (their family founded it back in the 1940s), he played for that club before he played schools rugby. Something you're not going to hear about, is coloured clubs often do segregate among themselves informally or formally, Vineyards had actual written rules to stop non-Muslims joining the club (it literally opposed racial segregation whilst it supported religious segregation).

Wrong to think someone from that background definitely cannot be arrogant about that background. Always a bad sign when we us fans know shit loads about a player's family background without looking for it, before they've even done anything and what they have done looks average. Which is why SFM is interesting, you never hear that he is Barry Feinberg's grandson, a name like that is struggle royalty but that generation had some decency and are nothing like the Watsons and Kebbles.

As for the Du Preez bros, I wouldn't be certain their Afrikaans is good enough to know what you said. Which I do think could well be part of the reason they did a grandpa Simpson for the Boks, leaving as soon as they arrived.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:02 am

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:38 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am
Takes me back to explaining to Yank13 that saying a player should be in the squad doesn't mean you don't rate them. I rated Marcell Coetzee and Jaco Kriel ahead of Kolisi, said they should all be in the squad. Du Preez twins weren't a factor back then.

Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

In fairness, you also want Cameron Wright to be the bok 9. So there's that...

And Bok captain. And assistant coach, he can teach the other 9s how to kick from hand and tackle properly.

I can't take you seriously when you talk kak. Not soutie "windgat" kak, more stinky "holgat" kak.

Sards wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:32 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:29 am Moerat shouldn't be in the squad, I don't rate him.

Rassie wont listen to you like with Kolisi.

Moerat is hondkak.

Just look at his international stats.....frankly embarrassing.


We all know that the ANC is involved in his selection through his father....

Interesting. Stomps are obsessed with tackle stats to justify selections but in Moerats case it doesn't count.

He is not popular amongst rugby pundits

That is exactly what you said about Kolisi. How much internet space have you waisted.

I have riled LOTG, all I did was rate Cameron Wright. I am entirely innocent. It's almost like I'm in a closed doors Bok selection meeting and have said Malcom Marx the team's soutie should start and be captain (Natal German background maybe? That's usually how people end up with the combo of a massively English first name and massively German second name). Lots of swearing in Afrikaans directed at my innocent good self.

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:32 am Get the tin foil guys, our politicians broke all our top locks so that their man can get a chance to play.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:56 am I have riled LOTG, all I did was rate Cameron Wright. I am entirely innocent. It's almost like I'm in a closed doors Bok selection meeting and have said Malcom Marx the team's soutie should start and be captain (Natal German background maybe? That's usually how people end up with the combo of a massively English first name and massively German second name). Lots of swearing in Afrikaans directed at my innocent good self.

Oh boobie booboo..

You are the one who keeps bringing up the soutie angle. I do not believe Rassie & co could be less bothered about what language a player speaks. It simply does not matter. In any case Rassie does not hate souties, he just does not rate some of your favourite players. That does not infer that players like Wright and the du Preez brothers are crap, it just means that they are not considered good enough.

"Robert James du Preez (born 19 July 1963 in Potchefstroom) is a former South African international rugby union player and former head coach of the Sharks Super Rugby team. His regular position was scrum-half."

So his kids are Souties now?

FFS why are we even talking about Wright on this thread

assfly wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:59 am FFS why are we even talking about Wright on this thread

Blame Ox. It's all his fault.

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:56 am "Robert James du Preez (born 19 July 1963 in Potchefstroom) is a former South African international rugby union player and former head coach of the Sharks Super Rugby team. His regular position was scrum-half."

So his kids are Souties now?

So Rob du Preez is actually is plattelander or a binnelander? Oxie has been lying to us all this time, first he actively listens to Keo, now this. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:56 am "Robert James du Preez (born 19 July 1963 in Potchefstroom) is a former South African international rugby union player and former head coach of the Sharks Super Rugby team. His regular position was scrum-half."

So his kids are Souties now?

Robert James had sons called Robert James, Dan, and Jean-Luc in Durbs then sent them all to Kearsney College, the sort of place even Durban souties regard as larney. Very small amount of boys, fees about R300,000 per year. It was founded by the guy who started Tongaat Hulett Sugar in the 1920s to school the sons of Methodist ministers (basically people who think Anglicans aren't Anglican enough). It's the sort of place that's so English (all its houses are named after places in England etc), the boys who leave there can end up thinking they are English, Matt Stevens and Brad Barritt both went there. The Du Preez bros all moved to England.

The Boer called Robert James who moved to Durbs and sent his sons to a Methodist school ... are you sure about this? I've never heard any of them speak Afrikaans, maybe they can but I've never heard it.

Most guys who lived in Natal went to an Ingilse skool, does not make them Ingils. My uncle would probably give you a PK if you called him Ingils.

Also, many Afrikaans parents are now letting their kids study in Ingils. My own two daughters are the same. You are dumb if you don't do it. It's like a Sotho parent making their kid study in Sotho.

Ja, the same Rob with die Pretoria polisieman snor who came from Potch and played for Noord Transvaal with Naas, went to Natal and became an ingils man. Just like my brother who went there when he turned 19 and now speaks Afrikaans with a heavy ingelse accent, while I reply in ingils.

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:01 pm Ja, the same Rob with die Pretoria polisieman snor who came from Potch and played for Noord Transvaal with Naas, went to Natal and became an ingils man. Just like my brother who went there when he turned 19 and now speaks Afrikaans with a heavy ingelse accent, while I reply in ingils.

The old man being from Potch doesn't prove much either. Milner established English speaking schools in the ZAR/Transvaal specifically to Anglicise the Afrikaner population, they're literally called "Milner Schools".

Pretoria High School for Girls, Pretoria Boys High, Jeppe, KES, Potch High School for Boys, are all Milner schools. All established during or right after the end of the Second Boer War. Their purpose is educate English speakers and to turn them English if they aren't already. Jake White went to Jeppe, his real name is Jacob Westerduin he changed his name. John Smit went to Pretoria Boys High.

Paul Roos and Grey Bloem are also listed as Milner schools but were established before then, not sure of the history, maybe they were incorporated into the Milner system before becoming Afrikaans again.

Wiki says old man Du Preez didn't go to Potch High School for Boys, but I wouldn't be so sure.

That still doesn't explain his Pretoria polisieman snor though. And I'm sure he had a blast playing with Naas "we should have poesed them daar voor"

average joe wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:51 pm Most guys who lived in Natal went to an Ingilse skool, does not make them Ingils. My uncle would probably give you a PK if you called him Ingils.

Also, many Afrikaans parents are now letting their kids study in Ingils. My own two daughters are the same. You are dumb if you don't do it. It's like a Sotho parent making their kid study in Sotho.

In that part of Durban/PMB you have five Milner schools: Michaelhouse, Maritzburg College, Hilton, DHS. Glenwood. Some have lost their Milner character (extreme pro-British Empire) and some not really. Hilton was at one time the most expensive school in South Africa, R400,000 per year in fees, a literal game reserve on the school grounds. You then have Kearsney which I have already described. Then those established after WW2: Westville Boys High, Pinetown Boys High, Hillcrest High, Kloof High, Port Natal (which is Afrikaans medium, Marcell Coetzee went there). Probably missing some but basically that's your lot.

If you send your kid to a Milner school which retains that character, that says something. If you send your kid to a ridiculously expensive school that has an extreme English character, that says something. Not all English speaking schools are the same. Choosing Kearsney out of all that lot really does say something, maybe you have to be a Durban soutie to understand. "I'm a real Boerseun I went to Kearsney", ja fuck off. It would be like someone with the name "Albertus Stephanus Smith-Jones" who went to Paarl Gim and has less English ability than Oom claiming to in fact be a soutie, even if you didn't say it you would think he was crazy, because he would be.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:30 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:56 am "Robert James du Preez (born 19 July 1963 in Potchefstroom) is a former South African international rugby union player and former head coach of the Sharks Super Rugby team. His regular position was scrum-half."

So his kids are Souties now?

Robert James had sons called Robert James, Dan, and Jean-Luc in Durbs then sent them all to Kearsney College, the sort of place even Durban souties regard as larney. Very small amount of boys, fees about R300,000 per year. It was founded by the guy who started Tongaat Hulett Sugar in the 1920s to school the sons of Methodist ministers (basically people who think Anglicans aren't Anglican enough). It's the sort of place that's so English (all its houses are named after places in England etc), the boys who leave there can end up thinking they are English, Matt Stevens and Brad Barritt both went there. The Du Preez bros all moved to England.

The Boer called Robert James who moved to Durbs and sent his sons to a Methodist school ... are you sure about this? I've never heard any of them speak Afrikaans, maybe they can but I've never heard it.

He sound Afrikaans. Dan du Plessis sound more Soutie.

Oom, did you go looking for a vid of one of the brothers speaking Afrikaans, couldn't find one, so decided because one brother has a deep voice that's good enough?

No man, some guy from Durbs called Robert James who went to the school he went to doesn't magically have a different accent. This reminds me of Wilson's trying to convince me Warren Whiteley was/is an Afrikaner, someone called Warren who went to Glenwood and always uses English.

I really think you guys who aren't from Durbs are underestimating what I mean when I say a school is extremely English. I don't mean they just speak English there. Kearsney has literally produced multiple England rugby players ffs.

As for Du Plessis, he went to Paul Roos which as I've already posted was a MIlner school and today is dual medium. You would know much better than myself, but he probably spoke a lot of English. Not from the Cape so I'm a bit clueless on that.

Yes Paul Roos is dual medium. More Afrikaans maybe 70%. Sards have a boer surname but is a soutpiel. The perfect example. Francois Louw the other. Jan Pickhard, Parrl Gim legend grandson. Went to Bishops. Nowadays I see a lot of Gim Boere playing for UCT.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:02 pm Oom, did you go looking for a vid of one of the brothers speaking Afrikaans, couldn't find one, so decided because one brother has a deep voice that's good enough?

No man, some guy from Durbs called Robert James who went to the school he went to doesn't magically have a different accent. This reminds me of Wilson's trying to convince me Warren Whiteley was/is an Afrikaner, someone called Warren who went to Glenwood and always uses English.

I really think you guys who aren't from Durbs are underestimating what I mean when I say a school is extremely English. I don't mean they just speak English there. Kearsney has literally produced multiple England rugby players ffs.

As for Du Plessis, he went to Paul Roos which as I've already posted was a MIlner school and today is dual medium. You would know much better than myself, but he probably spoke a lot of English. Not from the Cape so I'm a bit clueless on that.

My uncle (I'm sure you are aware of which one I'm referring to by now) was a boer in murg en been till the day he died but went to Kearsney as a boy. I'm sure back in those day's it was not common for someone with his name to go there but his family was something of a big deal back then. He also did things Afrikaner boys would have bullied him about, like ballroom dancing, but he would knock your block off if you tried.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:24 pm Yes Paul Roos is dual medium. More Afrikaans maybe 70%. Sards have a boer surname but is a soutpiel. The perfect example. Francois Louw the other. Jan Pickhard, Parrl Gim legend grandson. Went to Bishops. Nowadays I see a lot of Gim Boere playing for UCT.

Vok Paul Roos and Paarl Gym

Don't understand how you guys can enjoy living binneland . Amongst the mountains. Its hot or cold and miles from the sea.
I have always lived by the sea, Literally a couple of minutes away. Thats where I prefer it.
Also the Southern Suburbs.....Vok that . Cold and damp because the mountain blocks the sun mid afternoon.
A las to travel anywhere. You literally spend a couple of hours a day travelling.
Nah......unless you want a " home in the burbs " where you can feel valued because of a location.........nah. Not me. Or my kids.

Happy with Milnerton as a school.