NPR

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:40 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:32 pm

All the politicos are saying it was much tamer than last time and he more or less sailed through it

hmm, for me Starmer was much more impressive this time around

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:40 pm

hmm, for me Starmer was much more impressive this time around

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:50 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:54 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:50 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:09 pm

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

Surely the more moderate (are there any) Tory MPs can find a stand in PM to cover a short period until they sort themselves out. They have 2 more years of this shit if they do nothing about the Blonde Bumblecunt and he will destroy them completely in that time. They must realise that their only hope in the next election is to act now, put in place a safe and credible pair of hands temporarily and take a bit of time to find a credible replacement. They then have 12-18 months to build to the next election, to blame the current shower of shits for all the damage they have caused and to try and build public confidence in their party. To do nothing is in effect writing their own death warrants as more FPNs emerge, the Rwanda dead cat becomes unimplementable, cost of living and power prices continue uncontrolled, Covid review gets underway, etc. They need to find some grown ups in their party and act now! I think Mark Harper, who is hardly moderate, realises this and, behind the scenes, will push hard for the Blonde Bumblecunt to go asap.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:57 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:54 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:50 am

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

Surely the more moderate (are there any) Tory MPs can find a stand in PM to cover a short period until they sort themselves out. They have 2 more years of this shit if they do nothing about the Blonde Bumblecunt and he will destroy them completely in that time. They must realise that their only hope in the next election is to act now, put in place a safe and credible pair of hands temporarily and take a bit of time to find a credible replacement. They then have 12-18 months to build to the next election, to blame the current shower of shits for all the damage they have caused and to try and build public confidence in their party. To do nothing is in effect writing their own death warrants as more FPNs emerge, the Rwanda dead cat becomes unimplementable, cost of living and power prices continue uncontrolled, Covid review gets underway, etc. They need to find some grown ups in their party and act now! I think Mark Harper, who is hardly moderate, realises this and, behind the scenes, will push hard for the Blonde Bumblecunt to go asap.

This is more hope than reality I fear. They may well take a bashing at the local elections but will probably go on to win the next GE.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:45 am Having just watched the clip below I am sad to say I now agree with you!

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:42 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:50 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:42 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:58 pm if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

The kicker is who gets an FPN for organising a gathering. If he gets one of those I reckon he's done, but he'll throw Carrie under the bus for some, and senior civil servants for others.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:21 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:50 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:42 pm

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

The kicker is who gets an FPN for organising a gathering. If he gets one of those I reckon he's done, but he'll throw Carrie under the bus for some, and senior civil servants for others.

I would like to hear his take on the work gathering that saw someone drunkenly break his kid's swing

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:44 pm Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:44 pm Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm It's all just sunshine & flowers from here on forward ...

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163549

I'm going to go out on a limb here, & speculate that this isn't the first, & won't be the last major Union to put a gun against the Governments heads, & say that they aren't going to take the pain for the cost of living increases, while the Tories ignore the billions siphoned off in fraudulent Covid contracts. At the very least I expect UNITE, the Nursing, Teaching, & other unions who've been stiffed, to threaten another Winter of Discontent, if they don't get pay rises that come some way to match the inflation figures.

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

The Irony is that if the Tories hadn't purged almost all their decent candidates last time out; they might have the people to turn this all around; but as it is, they're a bunch of lazy fuckups, who don't have the intelligence, or the work ethic to do so. Nadine Dorries is a fucking Cabinet Minister !!!

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:00 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm It's all just sunshine & flowers from here on forward ...

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163549

I'm going to go out on a limb here, & speculate that this isn't the first, & won't be the last major Union to put a gun against the Governments heads, & say that they aren't going to take the pain for the cost of living increases, while the Tories ignore the billions siphoned off in fraudulent Covid contracts. At the very least I expect UNITE, the Nursing, Teaching, & other unions who've been stiffed, to threaten another Winter of Discontent, if they don't get pay rises that come some way to match the inflation figures.

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

The Irony is that if the Tories hadn't purged almost all their decent candidates last time out; they might have the people to turn this all around; but as it is, they're a bunch of lazy fuckups, who don't have the intelligence, or the work ethic to do so. Nadine Dorries is a fucking Cabinet Minister !!!

I suspect the public secor pay announcements will not go down to well either.
A big below inflation offer is on the table atm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:38 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:45 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:44 pm Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

a perfect example of a culture war post.

nothing definite or specific that you can shoot down, but a smug superiority shines through.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:55 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

petej wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:18 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:55 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

You don't give a free run but you do put your campaign resources somewhere else when you are likely to be third in a seat.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:55 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:27 pm

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

From the Graun.

It seems like the Met been bending over backwards at every opportunity to help bury this? Given Tory slashing of police numbers over the last decade could someone explain to me why they want to prop up BoJo the Clown and his merry band of numpties?

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:27 pm

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

MPs approve a plan to open an investigation into whether the prime minister misled the House on lockdown parties

MPs have voted, without any opposition from the government benches, to open the investigation into the PM, as Labour outlined in their motion.

There were no cries of "no" from the government benches, so there is no formal 15-minute division on the matter.

With that, the House of Commons moves on to the adjournment debate for the day.

Now that the Commons vote has passed the committee will investigate and produce a report stating whether or not they believe a contempt has been committed against the House - ie did Boris Johnson deliberately mislead Parliament.

If they find that he did mislead MPs, they can recommend a sanction within the disciplinary powers of the House.

The most significant of these are admonishment (censure), suspension for any number of days up until the end of this Parliament or expulsion from the House entirely.

There is also a possibility that they could recommend an apology on the floor of the House.

Once they have completed their report and recommended any sanction, it is voted on by the House as a whole to decide whether to accept the findings.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:00 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:38 pm This is not in any way a defence of that idiotic prick Johnson, but when I was at a Sikh wedding there were bottles of whisky, vodka and gin on every table, courtesy of the hosts, plus a bar.

I may well get a Sikh son in law by the looks of things

India is the third largest market for Scotch whisky exports by volume, after France and USA.