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tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:18 am Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:10 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:50 pm Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

Fuck me you never stop moaning about people, do you

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:10 am

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:50 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

Fuck me you never stop moaning about people, do you

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:20 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:18 am Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:26 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:20 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:18 am Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

My phenomenal team at Saxonbury House Surgery have in the last 48 hours administered nearly 1400 Covid vaccinations to patients of the 7 local surgeries as we are the nominated site for the PCN. Last wednesday we were only being allocated 975 injections but were then advised regarding extra allocation of stock that unexpectedly became available. We will now clear approximately 4500 vaccinations within 8 days which is fantastic news for our community. I could not be any prouder of my wonderful dedicated team and volunteers who are superheroes !! I hope our community continues to offer their ongoing support during the mammoth and long task ahead that we gladly have taken on to try and bring hope and safety at these unprecedented times. Please keep safe .Dr Susie Padgham Senior Partner and Clinical Lead for the High Weald vaccination programme.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:26 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:20 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:18 am Our vaccination centre has run out of vaccine after just one week up and running, no more until Thursday...

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:22 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:17 pm

WTF are you on about?

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:55 am Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:59 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:55 am Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:30 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:26 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:20 am

whereabouts are you?

The SE corner - a long, long way from the nearest mass vax centre at Epsom!

'Lumpiness' in supplies probably to be expected but its a shame to lose 4 days (but better to have got all the injections it could out ASAP).

My local 'GP hub' got more than expected - maybe they are re-allocating based on some criteria (maybe we got your Tabascoboy!)

My phenomenal team at Saxonbury House Surgery have in the last 48 hours administered nearly 1400 Covid vaccinations to patients of the 7 local surgeries as we are the nominated site for the PCN. Last wednesday we were only being allocated 975 injections but were then advised regarding extra allocation of stock that unexpectedly became available. We will now clear approximately 4500 vaccinations within 8 days which is fantastic news for our community. I could not be any prouder of my wonderful dedicated team and volunteers who are superheroes !! I hope our community continues to offer their ongoing support during the mammoth and long task ahead that we gladly have taken on to try and bring hope and safety at these unprecedented times. Please keep safe .Dr Susie Padgham Senior Partner and Clinical Lead for the High Weald vaccination programme.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:01 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:59 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:55 am Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors

Exactly this. They're on to household members of NHS staff as they're much further ahead than anticipated.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:31 am
I think their is an annex in the EU-UK FCA that deals with medicines (no tariffs) and presumably shipments from Pzfers factory in Belgium are happening under these provisions?

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:31 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

I think most people on this thread have said that, either very explicitly like me, or at least implicitly. In fact, the one person who really made an issue about the vaccine rollout and felt that it wasn't going well, especially the initial stages, was the pro-Brexit Bimbo.

However, I don't really see anything to do with Covid to be all that related to Brexit, whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. The virus certainly doesn't have an opinion on Brexit, and regardless of whether we're doing better or worse than the rest of the EU, and regardless of whether any of that has anything to do with us being members or not, lots of people are dying everywhere.

It's also perfectly valid to criticise (or complement) a government policy without trying to parse it through your worldview on Brexit. Objectively, overall, the current government has performed poorly during this pandemic. There have been some good policies inside that though, and the vaccination programme is one of those (particularly in NI and England) - even though, by it's very nature, a lot is having to be thrown together on the fly

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:36 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:31 am
I think their is an annex in the EU-UK FCA that deals with medicines (no tariffs) and presumably shipments from Pzfers factory in Belgium are happening under these provisions?

Interesting. Can I get my Leffe beer tariff-free too? I consider it medicinal, Gov.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:51 am

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:31 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

I think most people on this thread have said that, either very explicitly like me, or at least implicitly. In fact, the one person who really made an issue about the vaccine rollout and felt that it wasn't going well, especially the initial stages, was the pro-Brexit Bimbo.

However, I don't really see anything to do with Covid to be all that related to Brexit, whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. The virus certainly doesn't have an opinion on Brexit, and regardless of whether we're doing better or worse than the rest of the EU, and regardless of whether any of that has anything to do with us being members or not, lots of people are dying everywhere.

It's also perfectly valid to criticise (or complement) a government policy without trying to parse it through your worldview on Brexit. Objectively, overall, the current government has performed poorly during this pandemic. There have been some good policies inside that though, and the vaccination programme is one of those (particularly in NI and England) - even though, by it's very nature, a lot is having to be thrown together on the fly

Nothing to disagree with here.

My point was not aimed at anyone here but more on forums like Twitter where the level of polarisation is simply ridiculous.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:25 am Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:13 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:25 am Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

The Welsh rollout looks like a disaster and that reasoning is so poor I can only assume they're trying to cover up their own incompetence

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:30 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:13 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:25 am Mark Drayford thinks avoiding having idle vaccine crews matter more than having more people vaccinated sooner

The Welsh rollout looks like a disaster and that reasoning is so poor I can only assume they're trying to cover up their own incompetence

I have absolutely no understanding of what's going on in Wales other than they seem to be scared of running out of vaccine and having people twiddling their thumbs. It's bonkers

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:38 pm Scottish daily briefing just said 264,000 now vaccinated, that would be 40,000 in the last two days.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:59 pm Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:59 pm Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:59 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:24 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 am Picking up somewhat on what Openflies posted.

I do find it funny that some people - having gone so far down the rabbit hole of Brexit tribalism (EU good - UK bad) cant parse the fact that the procurement process in the EU has being a disaster whereas the UK is doing very well (so far) and procuring and giving the vaccination.

It possible to believe Brexit was a mistake, have a low opinion of the current government and believe most of the responses to the epidemic so far have being poor but also be able to accept this part is going well and the EU treating the vaccination procurement like a industrial workshare scheme and valuing per shot cost over delivery date was a disaster.

Are we sure the NHS is following EU Trade rules and their shipments are being done "by the book?" That'll be a first for the NHS in Covid times! PPE rings a bell....

Or are the suppliers just pocketing the squillions the Govt is throwing at them and "we'll worry about the VAT and duty next quarter"?

Also - would you want to be CEO of the vaccine distributor in Holland who delays a shipment of vaccine that only has a shelf life of 6 days "because those splitter-Brits haven't paid the duty at Harwich....?"

Just asking.....

Literally none of the above could happen in the real world with medication. We aren’t member in EU trade rules. (Germany are and they’ve stepped out of central supply )


There’s no VAT on vaccines.

There’s no duty nor tariffs on vaccines. That’s a global rule.

What’s wrong with you.

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:01 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:59 pm Wales and Scotland do not report over weekends so we should see both uptick considerably when today is reported.

The British army is deployed in both countries helping out.

I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't become another nationalist football/punchbag but considering the way things have go so far I am not hopeful (and if Scotland's vaccination rate goes above England's we will certainly hear about it).

Tomorrow.

Report today will be Sunday's figures

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:58 pm only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:38 pm Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:14 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:58 pm only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

Sunday was always going to be a limiting factor. Same reason I have my doubts about the 24 hour vaccinations plan. Hardly anyone's going to come in at 3 in the morning to get a shot

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:41 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:38 pm Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

Complete breakdown here https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine