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I have voted Labour for the first time in well over a decade

dpedin wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:06 pm

Tories are shitting themselves and are already trying to manage expectations and blame others for their impending election disaster.

Things are going to have to go very badly for that to happen. They do badly in London anyway these days, they might well drop behind Labour in Scotland. Otherwise the seats being defended put many more Labour positions up for grabs than Tory ones. In another cycle they might well be pooping themselves, but this time the voting could go rather badly and the outcome probably isn't going to make it hard to spin a mid-term blues line.

What they and others may read into it as regards a future general election is sort of interesting, but the number of people voting, or rather than lack of people voting, is going to make any projection problematic even before lots can change very quickly

If it actually is a disaster that would almost certainly be it for Boris, but you'd be talking about them getting a similar vote share as the Lib Dems for that sort of outcome. And I don't know things look that bad for them, arguably more's the pity but still

For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

ia801310 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:31 pm For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:43 pm

ia801310 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:31 pm For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

The Tory response to that would be "Do you not think Britain is awesome?" "Do you not think the UK is world leading in xxxx?" Difficult for Labour to answer without coming across anti British.

Puts Labour on the back foot and is an example of why the Tory party is the most successful political party of the last 100 years in any western democracy.

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:43 pm

ia801310 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:31 pm For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence that this is actually fact

Dogbert wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 9:32 pm

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:43 pm

ia801310 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:31 pm For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence that this is actually fact

Seems fair tbh

Dogbert wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 9:32 pm

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:43 pm

ia801310 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:31 pm For all the bad times the Tories are still going through I still think the most likely outcome is a Tory Majority at the next election.

For all their faults the Tories always give the impression of thinking that Britain is the greatest country on Earth.

Labour always give the impression that the British people are a bunch of thick racists who need to be taught the error of their ways by the Labour party. Ultimately people won't vote for a party that despises them.

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence that this is actually fact

True.

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 10:28 pm

Dogbert wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 9:32 pm

Raggs wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 6:43 pm

Really? I get the impression that they think the British public are a bunch of gullible cunts that can be bought with soft statements like "Britain is awesome." and then leave it at that. Claiming to be world/eu leading in areas where it's just not true etc. Playing up the jingoistic bullshit, whilst merrily taking over nations citizenships, and earning as much dirty cash as they can.

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence that this is actually fact

True.

Agreed

Hal Jordan wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 11:36 am Oliver Dowden is demanding answers from Labour over a possible election pact. Funny how this has cropped up now the Tories have given themselves complete control over the body that oversees elections.

And this is where the real issues lie, not with some no name MP making deposits in his wank bank, however shitty his conduct is. Although a Tory resigning on a point of principle is probably front page news given the cunts in the Cabinet.

Funny what is happening north of the border

Who would have thought these are the same Tories that had a pact with the Lib Dems, the Ulster Unionists for £2BN and the Brexit Party.

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 8:36 am Who would have thought these are the same Tories that had a pact with the Lib Dems, the Ulster Unionists for £2BN and the Brexit Party.

TBF Scottish politics can be quite odd at the local Council level. West Lothian is run by a Tory Labour coalition!

“Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

PCPhil wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:23 am “Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

Eviscerated by the political heavy weight that is



Suzzanna Reid

So out of touch, so incompetent so pathetic.
Boris is now like a Fast show character

Lobby wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 10:24 am I think it’s more likely that Labour and the Lib Dems will stand in every seat, but will concentrate their campaign resources on seats they are most likely to win, and won’t campaign against each other in the seats where the other has a better chance.

Yes that makes more sense, the by-election strategy but in a general election. Then the Libdems will have to hope they can get a coalition, and Labour will have to hope for a majority. And if neither happens with what will be the best chance there will be, then the Tories are in power deep into the 2030s.

dpedin wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:06 pm Tories are shitting themselves and are already trying to manage expectations and blame others for their impending election disaster.

This is the crux of it, what would be a disaster for them in this election? Remembering that the seats being contested were last contested in 2018 (England) and 2017 (Scotland and Wales).

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:32 pm Things are going to have to go very badly for that to happen. They do badly in London anyway these days, they might well drop behind Labour in Scotland. Otherwise the seats being defended put many more Labour positions up for grabs than Tory ones. In another cycle they might well be pooping themselves, but this time the voting could go rather badly and the outcome probably isn't going to make it hard to spin a mid-term blues line.

What they and others may read into it as regards a future general election is sort of interesting, but the number of people voting, or rather than lack of people voting, is going to make any projection problematic even before lots can change very quickly

If it actually is a disaster that would almost certainly be it for Boris, but you'd be talking about them getting a similar vote share as the Lib Dems for that sort of outcome. And I don't know things look that bad for them, arguably more's the pity but still

The expected result is going to be easy for the Tories to spin away (lost seats but no lost councils), but that result would be a disaster for them, because it'll be a reversion to something before 2019 when they got their general election majority. If they lose a lot of seats and don't lose councils it means their support hasn't grown since 2017/2018, and likely in the weeds their support among the new Tory voters that got them over the line in 2019 would be eroding.

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 10:42 am

PCPhil wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:23 am “Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

Eviscerated by the political heavy weight that is



Suzzanna Reid

So out of touch, so incompetent so pathetic.
Boris is now like a Fast show character

Yes but Starmer curry.

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 10:42 am

PCPhil wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:23 am “Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

Eviscerated by the political heavy weight that is



Suzzanna Reid

So out of touch, so incompetent so pathetic.
Boris is now like a Fast show character

To be fair, Susanna Reid is very good, she just took a wedge of money to put up with Piers Morgan.

I'm not in the UK atm,but I understand she ripped him a new arsehole, in a way that will connect with the general public / GMB audience, rather than a news night interview which would have been roundly ignored by most.

Biffer wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 12:43 pm

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 10:42 am

PCPhil wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:23 am “Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

Eviscerated by the political heavy weight that is



Suzzanna Reid

So out of touch, so incompetent so pathetic.
Boris is now like a Fast show character

To be fair, Susanna Reid is very good, she just took a wedge of money to put up with Piers Morgan.

I'm not in the UK atm,but I understand she ripped him a new arsehole, in a way that will connect with the general public / GMB audience, rather than a news night interview which would have been roundly ignored by most.

She a professional journalist with a degree in Politics and Philosophy and post grad qualification in broadcast journalism.

She told the prime minster of a 77 year old woman who had to ride around in a bus all day to save heating costs at home, since her costs had recently skyrocketed, Johnson's response was that he had introduced the bus pass that allowed her to do so.

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 10:42 am

PCPhil wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:23 am “Who’s Lorraine?”

Sometimes it doesn’t have to be real things that makes Joe Public aghast.

Eviscerated by the political heavy weight that is



Suzzanna Reid

So out of touch, so incompetent so pathetic.
Boris is now like a Fast show character

Dorries to demand "review" of ITV franchises in 3...2...1

For the record I like Ms Reid and her relationship with Tony Benn was particulary interesting.

Given Lorraine's history of "wardrobe malfunctions" on live TV, it is quite surprising to learn that the PM doesn't have her show on series link

Whoops!!!

A Conservative police and crime commissioner who pledged to crack down on speeding has been caught breaking a 30mph limit five times within a 12-week period, PA Media reports. PA says:

The PCC for Nottinghamshire police, Caroline Henry, admitted the offences, including two committed on consecutive days, at a previous hearing in February at Nottingham magistrates’ court.
Magistrates were told Henry, who is the wife of Broxtowe MP Darren Henry, had written a letter to the court saying she was “very sorry, embarrassed and ashamed”.
Speed cameras clocked the PCC’s speed as high as 40mph in a 30mph zone, with other excess speeds recorded at 35mph and 38mph.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:45 pm To be honest I think they are gone soft. The Tories og old would be turning the heating down on the bus

Won't be long before you bow down in Eire before your Sinn Fein overlords.

Where do these heated buses run?

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 6:53 pm Where do these heated buses run?

London and the SE

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:15 pm

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 6:53 pm Where do these heated buses run?

London and the SE

Well of course.

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:53 pm

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:15 pm

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 6:53 pm Where do these heated buses run?

London and the SE

Well of course.

The Tories are trialing, in NI, a version for North of the Watford services, but they need to work out some bugs.

fishfoodie wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:58 pm

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:53 pm

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:15 pm

London and the SE

Well of course.

The Tories are trialing, in NI, a version for North of the Watford services, but they need to work out some bugs.

Don't worry after Sinn Fein win on Thursday it will be a familiar picture

fishfoodie wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:58 pm

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:53 pm

C69 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:15 pm

London and the SE

Well of course.

The Tories are trialing, in NI, a version for North of the Watford services, but they need to work out some bugs.

Fortunately I never need to travel in these vehicles. As Maggie supposedly said, any man who travels in a bus when he’s over 30 is a failure.

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:39 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:58 pm

GogLais wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 7:53 pm

Well of course.

The Tories are trialing, in NI, a version for North of the Watford services, but they need to work out some bugs.

Fortunately I never need to travel in these vehicles. As Maggie supposedly said, any man who travels in a bus when he’s over 30 is a failure.

QED

While there is nothing wrong with the advice itself, it's pretty insulting if he thinks people aren't intelligent enough to make that kind of decision for themselves, as well as coming from someone clearly not short of a few bob

tabascoboy wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:12 am While there is nothing wrong with the advice itself, it's pretty insulting if he thinks people aren't intelligent enough to make that kind of decision for themselves, as well as coming from someone clearly not short of a few bob

From the people who think you just need to cut back on the netflix & coffees to get a deposit for a house.

Crossrail/Elizabeth Line to open later this month. Obviously it's late and will have teething problems, but this is an incredible piece of engineering and a step change in infrastructure terms. Possible to get very negative about the country, but projects like this are things we do very well.

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:27 am Crossrail/Elizabeth Line to open later this month. Obviously it's late and will have teething problems, but this is an incredible piece of engineering and a step change in infrastructure terms. Possible to get very negative about the country, but projects like this are things we do very well.

I'm sure this news will warm the heart of passengers chugging along on TransPennine Express.

robmatic wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:43 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:27 am Crossrail/Elizabeth Line to open later this month. Obviously it's late and will have teething problems, but this is an incredible piece of engineering and a step change in infrastructure terms. Possible to get very negative about the country, but projects like this are things we do very well.

I'm sure this news will warm the heart of passengers chugging along on TransPennine Express.

The fact that other services are shit doesn't change what I've posted. I've posted before that we need to change the Treasury's attitude to infrastructure projects outside of London, but this is still a good value project that will provide serious economic benefits, and is a very impressive engineering feat.

Crossrail took out two of the best and most accessible (for those coming in via Waterloo) venues in London. RIP The Astoria and Mean Fiddler.

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:47 am

robmatic wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:43 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:27 am Crossrail/Elizabeth Line to open later this month. Obviously it's late and will have teething problems, but this is an incredible piece of engineering and a step change in infrastructure terms. Possible to get very negative about the country, but projects like this are things we do very well.

I'm sure this news will warm the heart of passengers chugging along on TransPennine Express.

The fact that other services are shit doesn't change what I've posted. I've posted before that we need to change the Treasury's attitude to infrastructure projects outside of London, but this is still a good value project that will provide serious economic benefits, and is a very impressive engineering feat.

It isn't a step change in infrastructure terms. They've always been willing to spend there. Stop with the self congratulatory bullshit. Be happy for London but fuck right off on this people shouldn't be so negative about this country. Building good infrastructure in one region of the country doesn't make it less shit elsewhere particularly when elsewhere is aware of it.