When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?

[OomStruisbaai]

Tell that to the thousands who follow him and agree with his shite on Twitter.

Keohane is one of yours.

I don't follow him but I've just checked his Twitter feed. He averages under 100 likes per post and several comments at best. Hardly an opinion leader or influencer of any note.

I only looked a few down and this has currently got 275 likes and 61 retweets.

How many times must we tell you we don't do Keo kak. You are the Keo cunt of NPR.

[FalseBayFC]

I imagine a large proportion of Keo's followers are from other countries desperately seeking to find takes they can be outraged by.

[SaintK]

I've changed my mind. The oke is a tosser. Check out his latest tweet.

A rugby genius can't enjoy a pint of plain now?

The fact is the English don't like us (the Commonwealth countries they hammer on and on about are the majority white ones: Australia, New Zealand, Canada .... not us), a lot of them have accumulated a lot of bullshit views about us which cannot be changed, so it's pointless trying. This would be true regardless of results or what Rassie did or didn't do, they still would not like us. The reason the English are so obsessed about this, is about results though, if Rassie wasn't a rugby genius and the Boks were a rabble who had won nothing for years, the interest would be a lot more muted from them and their media. But they regard the Boks as number 1 (a lot of SA fans on the other hand are much less sure of that), so they're going for the Boks with whatever they can like they normally go for the All Blacks. Thing is, we're not Kiwis and don't much care what the rest of the world thinks of us, we're not like the Kiwis who seem attached to the All Blacks being revered. No one likes us and we don't care.

Jake White is forthright but also almost deferential to opponents he regards as strong (like most South Africans he's just blunt/honest, if a side is weak in his view he calls them weak, if they're strong in his view he calls them strong). As soon as he started winning stuff with the Boks, the English started developing a dislike for him too. You'll never see a man more desperate to coach England and more eager to please than that guy, it didn't matter.

Refs have been publicly criticised by coaches for decades now, the media environment that's been created by those criticising Rassie is worse, same goes for a growing number of former players on social media. The Rassie video was just further travel down the same road already being traveled. Yet some are intent on pretending it's still an amateur sport where the ref is never criticised. It's laughable.

Fuck right off

Then fuck off again.
Utter bollocks

[SaintK]

I imagine a large proportion of Keo's followers are from other countries desperately seeking to find takes they can be outraged by.

Yes, I'm sure you do imagine that.

[OomStruisbaai]

A rugby genius can't enjoy a pint of plain now?

The fact is the English don't like us (the Commonwealth countries they hammer on and on about are the majority white ones: Australia, New Zealand, Canada .... not us), a lot of them have accumulated a lot of bullshit views about us which cannot be changed, so it's pointless trying. This would be true regardless of results or what Rassie did or didn't do, they still would not like us. The reason the English are so obsessed about this, is about results though, if Rassie wasn't a rugby genius and the Boks were a rabble who had won nothing for years, the interest would be a lot more muted from them and their media. But they regard the Boks as number 1 (a lot of SA fans on the other hand are much less sure of that), so they're going for the Boks with whatever they can like they normally go for the All Blacks. Thing is, we're not Kiwis and don't much care what the rest of the world thinks of us, we're not like the Kiwis who seem attached to the All Blacks being revered. No one likes us and we don't care.

Jake White is forthright but also almost deferential to opponents he regards as strong (like most South Africans he's just blunt/honest, if a side is weak in his view he calls them weak, if they're strong in his view he calls them strong). As soon as he started winning stuff with the Boks, the English started developing a dislike for him too. You'll never see a man more desperate to coach England and more eager to please than that guy, it didn't matter.

Refs have been publicly criticised by coaches for decades now, the media environment that's been created by those criticising Rassie is worse, same goes for a growing number of former players on social media. The Rassie video was just further travel down the same road already being traveled. Yet some are intent on pretending it's still an amateur sport where the ref is never criticised. It's laughable.

Fuck right off

Then fuck off again.
Utter bollocks

Ox hit a nail there.

[SaintK]

Fuck right off

Then fuck off again.
Utter bollocks

Ox hit a nail there.

.........and missed completely and smashed his thumb
Complete and utter one eyed bollocks

[Sandstorm]

Ox is a tool. Please don’t paint the rest of us Saffer boredies with his laager mentality.

[Kawazaki]

I hope this thread has at least informed the small number of Saffas on this forum of what level of ego-driven sociopath runs their national rugby team. I know to many of you, it's all a bit of a laugh and it's just 'Rassie being Rassie' but there are repercussions, the obvious really important ones like how his behaviour adversely impacts the lives of real people like Nic Berry of course, but there will also be other fallout from this, some of it will last many years, and not all of it will land in South Africa but I can promise you this, the net result from the Erasmus years won't be positive for rugby, even if he wins two more RWCs.

[Sandstorm]

I hope this thread has at least informed the small number of Saffas on this forum of what level of ego-driven sociopath runs their national rugby team. I know to many of you, it's all a bit of a laugh and it's just 'Rassie being Rassie' but there are repercussions, the obvious really important ones like how his behaviour adversely impacts the lives of real people like Nic Berry of course, but there will also be other fallout from this, some of it will last many years, and not all of it will land in South Africa but I can promise you this, the net result from the Erasmus years won't be positive for rugby, even if he wins two more RWCs.

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

[Kawazaki]

I hope this thread has at least informed the small number of Saffas on this forum of what level of ego-driven sociopath runs their national rugby team. I know to many of you, it's all a bit of a laugh and it's just 'Rassie being Rassie' but there are repercussions, the obvious really important ones like how his behaviour adversely impacts the lives of real people like Nic Berry of course, but there will also be other fallout from this, some of it will last many years, and not all of it will land in South Africa but I can promise you this, the net result from the Erasmus years won't be positive for rugby, even if he wins two more RWCs.

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

[Sandstorm]

I hope this thread has at least informed the small number of Saffas on this forum of what level of ego-driven sociopath runs their national rugby team. I know to many of you, it's all a bit of a laugh and it's just 'Rassie being Rassie' but there are repercussions, the obvious really important ones like how his behaviour adversely impacts the lives of real people like Nic Berry of course, but there will also be other fallout from this, some of it will last many years, and not all of it will land in South Africa but I can promise you this, the net result from the Erasmus years won't be positive for rugby, even if he wins two more RWCs.

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

Exactly. WR had no procedures for dealing with this effectively in June and almost 5 months later they still don’t. Shameful.

[Kawazaki]

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

Exactly. WR had no procedures for dealing with this effectively in June and almost 5 months later they still don’t. Shameful.

Maybe getting to a position where its difficult to envision what more the officials could have possibly done to assist Erasmus and answer his questions is deemed as good as it will get?

If you mean, why didn't World Rugby have some written protocols already in place just in case a head coach of a Tier 1 Nation decides to donate a nuclear bomb on social media throwing the ref to the wolves after a first Lions test then yes, perhaps they should have envisioned that was a possible scenario and put in place some steps with how to deal with it beforehand.

FFS

[Sandstorm]

I’m talking about the present and the future, Toga. Not the past. WR have to react now, otherwise this will happen again. Probably by Eddie Jones next time.

[FalseBayFC]

I imagine a large proportion of Keo's followers are from other countries desperately seeking to find takes they can be outraged by.

Yes, I'm sure you do imagine that.

Well the only posters here and on PR who ever quote Keo are Kiwis, Aussies and Brits and Irish. Saffers are mostly hugely embarrassed by him. He's a South African Neil Francis.

[Kawazaki]

I’m talking about the present and the future, Toga. Not the past. WR have to react now, otherwise this will happen again. Probably by Eddie Jones next time.

World Rugby have to be thorough. The time taken is a reflection of how serious the charges were, but also due to the logistical problems of covid in getting senior legal qualified representatives from outside the Lions countries. World Rugby also spent weeks lobbying SARU to deal with it in-house.

Regards Eddie Jones, he's a narcissistic sociopath much like Erasmus but he does have the benefit of being a very smart political animal. Which Erasmus definitely isn't.

This is unprecedented. What's worse is that the SARU are backing him all the way. That's a fight for another day but here's my prediction, South Africa won't get another RWC in my lifetime.

[Sandstorm]

That’s racist, bro.

[Kawazaki]

That’s racist, bro.

That schtick has worn thin fella.

[OomStruisbaai]

[handyman]

I hope this thread has at least informed the small number of Saffas on this forum of what level of ego-driven sociopath runs their national rugby team. I know to many of you, it's all a bit of a laugh and it's just 'Rassie being Rassie' but there are repercussions, the obvious really important ones like how his behaviour adversely impacts the lives of real people like Nic Berry of course, but there will also be other fallout from this, some of it will last many years, and not all of it will land in South Africa but I can promise you this, the net result from the Erasmus years won't be positive for rugby, even if he wins two more RWCs.

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

Why did he not whistle according to the laws of the game? Instead he made something like 36 errors in about 45 minutes playing time.

[Rinkals]

I've changed my mind. The oke is a tosser. Check out his latest tweet.

A rugby genius can't enjoy a pint of plain now?

The fact is the English don't like us (the Commonwealth countries they hammer on and on about are the majority white ones: Australia, New Zealand, Canada .... not us), a lot of them have accumulated a lot of bullshit views about us which cannot be changed, so it's pointless trying. This would be true regardless of results or what Rassie did or didn't do, they still would not like us. The reason the English are so obsessed about this, is about results though, if Rassie wasn't a rugby genius and the Boks were a rabble who had won nothing for years, the interest would be a lot more muted from them and their media. But they regard the Boks as number 1 (a lot of SA fans on the other hand are much less sure of that), so they're going for the Boks with whatever they can like they normally go for the All Blacks. Thing is, we're not Kiwis and don't much care what the rest of the world thinks of us, we're not like the Kiwis who seem attached to the All Blacks being revered. No one likes us and we don't care.

Jake White is forthright but also almost deferential to opponents he regards as strong (like most South Africans he's just blunt/honest, if a side is weak in his view he calls them weak, if they're strong in his view he calls them strong). As soon as he started winning stuff with the Boks, the English started developing a dislike for him too. You'll never see a man more desperate to coach England and more eager to please than that guy, it didn't matter.

Refs have been publicly criticised by coaches for decades now, the media environment that's been created by those criticising Rassie is worse, same goes for a growing number of former players on social media. The Rassie video was just further travel down the same road already being traveled. Yet some are intent on pretending it's still an amateur sport where the ref is never criticised. It's laughable.

It's not that they don't like us; I think they just expect us to know our betters and are resentful if we aren't subservient enough.

Too many of the English that I meet here think that they are closely related to the Queen. There are exceptions, of course, who can be good blokes, but speaking generally.

[Slick]

Generally speaking it’s the bowler hats and constant afternoon teas that annoy me

[Rinkals]

Generally speaking it’s the bowler hats and constant afternoon teas that annoy me

I think you are implying that my characterisation is a thing of the past? I can assure you that it isn't.

There was one in my local (Notties, for those that know the KZN Midlands), on Thursday evening, waving his superior currency about.

[Slick]

Generally speaking it’s the bowler hats and constant afternoon teas that annoy me

I think you are implying that my characterisation is a thing of the past? I can assure you that it isn't.

There was one in my local (Notties, for those that know the KZN Midlands), on Thursday evening, waving his superior currency about.

I think it’s more that it’s xenophobic nonsense really

[PCPhil]

Calm down, love. If WR use this situation to get a proper handle on how players/coaches/fans/WR work with refs during & after each match - quickly - and set solid ground rules for how this should happen, then it could be a very good thing for Rugby. Social media as a tool is a mess and needs sorting out big time - but I don't have much faith in the Blazers being able to do a good job fixing it.

And you can't blame Erasmus for the WR Board regularly being shit at their jobs.

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

Why did he not whistle according to the laws of the game? Instead he made something like 36 errors in about 45 minutes playing time.

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

[Slick]

It's difficult to know what Berry and the whole officials team could have done more for Erasmus. In the 48hrs after the match, they had numerous contacts with him including a call with Berry just after 7pm on the Monday followed by a detailed email dealing with every objection Erasmus had made in his video sent just before midnight.

Why did he not whistle according to the laws of the game? Instead he made something like 36 errors in about 45 minutes playing time.

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

Because they are all thick as pig shit with massive chips on their shoulders and a persecution complex.

Generally speaking

[Kawazaki]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I thought the exact same thing. There's also the reference to that number of errors Erasmus highlighted in his video again too. That's the figure that's carved in stone for Saffas, Erasmus said it so it must be correct. They're doomsday cultists lapping up the Rassieade aren't they.

[Sandstorm]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I thought the exact same thing. There's also the reference to that number of errors Erasmus highlighted in his video again too. That's the figure that's carved in stone for Saffas, Erasmus said it so it must be correct. They're doomsday cultists lapping up the Rassieade aren't they.

You had a good sleep, a full breakfast and got your strength up? All ready for another full day of acting outraged at South Africans?

[Kawazaki]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I thought the exact same thing. There's also the reference to that number of errors Erasmus highlighted in his video again too. That's the figure that's carved in stone for Saffas, Erasmus said it so it must be correct. They're doomsday cultists lapping up the Rassieade aren't they.

You had a good sleep, a full breakfast and got your strength up? All ready for another full day of acting outraged at South Africans?

As easy as hitting water falling out of a boat.

[Rinkals]

Generally speaking it’s the bowler hats and constant afternoon teas that annoy me

I think you are implying that my characterisation is a thing of the past? I can assure you that it isn't.

There was one in my local (Notties, for those that know the KZN Midlands), on Thursday evening, waving his superior currency about.

I think it’s more that it’s xenophobic nonsense really

It's about an attitude that deems other nations inferior.

You might claim that such an attitude does not exist, but I have certainly experienced it. And I'm pretty sure others have, too.

[SaintK]

I think you are implying that my characterisation is a thing of the past? I can assure you that it isn't.

There was one in my local (Notties, for those that know the KZN Midlands), on Thursday evening, waving his superior currency about.

I think it’s more that it’s xenophobic nonsense really

It's about an attitude that deems other nations inferior.

You might claim that such an attitude does not exist, but I have certainly experienced it. And I'm pretty sure others have, too.

Bit like us coming across stereotypical Saffers then?

[Chilli]

[Kawazaki]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

[Blake]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I suspect it might be because this thread has proven to be an extremely bountiful fishing ground...

[Kawazaki]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I suspect it might be because this thread has proven to be an extremely bountiful fishing ground...

Good summation of Erasmus actually. He's trolling rugby.

[Blake]

Why do (only) a few SA posters keep coming back to this? So in effect you are saying, "maybe...yeah...whatever... but look at what Berry did. All his own fault really."

I suspect it might be because this thread has proven to be an extremely bountiful fishing ground...

Good summation of Erasmus actually. He's trolling rugby.

And doing a damn fine job at it. The English media just cannot stop biting.

[Kawazaki]

Trolls get banned.

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I should know!

[SaintK]

Trolls get banned.

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[ia801310]

For all the talk I can't see Rassie or the Boks risking an appeal

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/world-rugb ... Sch_QmB_eQ

[handyman]

Ox is a tool. Please don’t paint the rest of us Saffer boredies with his laager mentality.

This post could not be further from the truth. Sandy is basically a pom.

[Blake]

For all the talk I can't see Rassie or the Boks risking an appeal

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/world-rugb ... Sch_QmB_eQ

Please post article. Sa rugby mag is Keo’s publication and I am boycotting it.