2025 Springbokke

[average joe]

Next thing Ox will claim Kolisi is Ingils because he went to an Ingilse school. Look, most of the players today are born frees, they did not grow up or were schooled in the 70, 80 or 90 somethings. Parents these days want their kids to be schooled in the schools that would afford them the best opportunities. Most Afrikaans parents that I know have their kids' study in English now, it's a no brainer. You can do nothing with a higher understanding of Afrikaans outside your own home.

In saying this, I can't really comment on the du Preez heritage as frankly, I just don't know and don't care. How we seem to have gotten on this subject is that Ox seemed to have taken umbrage with me saying the du Preez brothers might be the type of players that would think that they can't be taught anything. Now perhaps I should have said it in Inglis but me being the dumb boertjie went and said it in my home language and this made Ox think, I must think that they are dumb boertjies like me. And off we went digging the hole.

[Sandstorm]

Cameron Wright (lovely Aussie name) went to school in Canberra.

[OomStruisbaai]

Yes Paul Roos is dual medium. More Afrikaans maybe 70%. Sards have a boer surname but is a soutpiel. The perfect example. Francois Louw the other. Jan Pickhard, Parrl Gim legend grandson. Went to Bishops. Nowadays I see a lot of Gim Boere playing for UCT.

Vok Paul Roos and Paarl Gym

Don't understand how you guys can enjoy living binneland . Amongst the mountains. Its hot or cold and miles from the sea.
I have always lived by the sea, Literally a couple of minutes away. Thats where I prefer it.
Also the Southern Suburbs.....Vok that . Cold and damp because the mountain blocks the sun mid afternoon.
A las to travel anywhere. You literally spend a couple of hours a day travelling.
Nah......unless you want a " home in the burbs " where you can feel valued because of a location.........nah. Not me. Or my kids.

Happy with Milnerton as a school.

My name says I live in Struisbaai. You should send your spoil brats to Kearsney College. They'll fit right in.

[Sandstorm]

You should send your spoil brats to Kearsney College. They'll fit right in.

Oi! Kids are off limits, Oom.

[average joe]

Ox is busy now. He is going through the chronicles of Kearsney Colledge looking for someone with an Afrikaans naam.

[Sards]

You should send your spoil brats to Kearsney College. They'll fit right in.

Oi! Kids are off limits, Oom.

I don't mind.....
My kids work very hard at school and get more than adequate results.
They also work very hard at sports......My eldest just got notification last night that his hard work has paid off and he is selected for the 1st team cricket for the upcoming season...hes only 15
Thats a huge achievement for him as he has 2 and a half years to play first team if he keeps it up.
My youngest was poached by Edgemead cricket club because of his figures and topped the school cricket as MVP and has already played CPL...
So when I hear ouboet go off about my kids I just laugh at the jealous mamparra

Next thing he will go off about me sponsoring my kids teams to get them there.
no dude...they did it by themselves and earned it. The sponsorship was to assist the other kids that couldnt afford to join the CPL

[average joe]

You should send your spoil brats to Kearsney College. They'll fit right in.

Oi! Kids are off limits, Oom.

Those two have their own rules between them. If I recall correctly Oom took allot of flack for his daughter in Vietnam, of watse Namnam ookal.

[Sards]

You should send your spoil brats to Kearsney College. They'll fit right in.

Oi! Kids are off limits, Oom.

Those two have their own rules between them. If I recall correctly Oom took allot of flack for his daughter in Vietnam, of watse Namnam ookal.

Don't talk kak. I have never had anything bad to say about ouboets kids. I understand what it means to be a proud father.

Oh yes. My eldest also helps with the coaching of the under 11s at Sunningdale primary and Edgemead under 11s.

[average joe]

Did I say you gave him flack? Look, if you are constantly posting stuff about your kids on the interwebs you can expect people to comment, and then unfortunately, you'll have to take the bad with the good.

If kids are off-limits, then no one should post about their kids. But then Sards won't have anything to post about in the school sports thread.

[Sards]

Did I say you gave him flack? Look, if you are constantly posting stuff about your kids on the interwebs you can expect people to comment, and then unfortunately, you'll have to take the bad with the good.

If kids are off-limits, then no one should post about their kids. But then Sards won't have anything to post about in the school sports thread.

Whatever

[_Os_]

Next thing Ox will claim Kolisi is Ingils because he went to an Ingilse school. Look, most of the players today are born frees, they did not grow up or were schooled in the 70, 80 or 90 somethings. Parents these days want their kids to be schooled in the schools that would afford them the best opportunities. Most Afrikaans parents that I know have their kids' study in English now, it's a no brainer. You can do nothing with a higher understanding of Afrikaans outside your own home.

In saying this, I can't really comment on the du Preez heritage as frankly, I just don't know and don't care. How we seem to have gotten on this subject is that Ox seemed to have taken umbrage with me saying the du Preez brothers might be the type of players that would think that they can't be taught anything. Now perhaps I should have said it in Inglis but me being the dumb boertjie went and said it in my home language and this made Ox think, I must think that they are dumb boertjies like me. And off we went digging the hole.

First paragraph:

Kolisi went to a Milner school (there's only 23 of them in the entire country, odd how they keep popping up isn't it?) on a scholarship, is he now more or less soutie than someone from the same township as him who didn't go there? The purpose of those schools is to make people English. The English did the same thing to the Welsh and Irish in the British Isles, instruction in their languages was banned with the goal of wiping them out (which basically succeeded). ANC elites have been piling their kids into those schools for decades too, there is a growing group of middle class blacks who only speak English (the technical term is "deracinated", meaning uprooted and have lost their culture). There's black kids that do not understand what "sawubona ingane" means. They can keep doing that for generations if they want, '76 was about demanding English language instruction after all, but they will lose something and become souties instead. I often wonder what they expected when a "racism" (usually bullshit) allegation kicks off at one of those schools, Pretoria High School for Girls (a Milner school) was just in one apparently "the rules target blacks" (85% of the school is now black), well no shit the entire institution of school down to its bedrock wants them to be English, if that changes then a school the elites want to send their girls to no longer exists.

If SA's languages have been made useless (not convinced, especially in the cases of IsiZulu and Afrikaans ... you are at a disadvantage in SA if you only have English and don't have either of those, just look at the Boks) and English has been empowered, it's because those with power wanted it to be that way. There is no rule at all the SA must be dominated by English to achieve anything. Japanese, Poles, Israelis, Brazilians, Germans and so on, all cope just fine. But SA has been led by morons our entire lives.

One of the amusing things about the ANC is they've turned SA into an English speaking country, whilst they cry about "decolonisation". Morons.

Second paragraph:

Never said that, sounds like a bit of projection or trolling. All I said was I've never heard them speak Afrikaans, so I couldn't be sure they would understand even the minimal amount of Afrikaans you used. Not uncommon for Natalians to understand zero Afrikaans. You're correct about that attitude towards Afrikaners existing among some souties. It's also true some souties who don't think that way are aware some Afrikaners have a thin skin and (patronisingly) moderate what they say to avoid any misunderstanding, I've never done that, if you lost the thread of what I'm saying it's not my fault. Does underline my point though, really easy for souties to give the wrong impression to some Afrikaners without meaning to and if they're from an environment where there's few/no Afrikaners even more so.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Can you wit kants please stop posting about your wit kant soutiie/afrikaans crap on this here beautiful Springbok thread. Get back on track or else...

[_Os_]

Can you wit kants please stop posting about your wit kant soutiie/afrikaans crap on this here beautiful Springbok thread. Get back on track or else...

Hold up chief, I haven't rolled out my day three discussion points yet, just finishing up day two.

[Sandstorm]

Can you wit kants please stop posting about your wit kant soutiie/afrikaans crap on this here beautiful Springbok thread. Get back on track or else...

It's funny how inane our arguments are when the team is winning.

[average joe]

TLDR

[OomStruisbaai]

TLDR

Boetie is that Boertaal?

[_Os_]

My uncle (I'm sure you are aware of which one I'm referring to by now) was a boer in murg en been till the day he died but went to Kearsney as a boy. I'm sure back in those day's it was not common for someone with his name to go there but his family was something of a big deal back then. He also did things Afrikaner boys would have bullied him about, like ballroom dancing, but he would knock your block off if you tried.

Did they teach him so good that he learned to love their queens and kings? Some souties get very emotional about the royal family. Did they teach him so good he became a fan of the British Empire perhaps? When I say a school is extremely English and people leave it thinking they are English, that's the sort of stuff I mean. I don't mean ballroom dancing.

A lot of the people those types of schools produce simply aren't capable of living in SA, then they emigrate. Ironic given your points about the general view being that English is needed to survive etc.

... Rhodesians just laugh at all this bullshit (not those who originate from those who moved there post WW2, but the real ones who come from Natalians who moved up in the 19th century), as with all their slang they have words only insiders understand for the English, pongo and choom are favourites. About a quarter my family are Afrikaners, they all have that background (literally names like "Albertus Stephanus Smith-Jones") and wouldn't dream of sending their kids to a pongo school.

[_Os_]

... onto the next controversial talking point.

The Boks must become stronger, for that to happen the player pool needs to be increased and more players need exposure. This is the best way:

Abolishing these unions: Purple People Eaters (merges with Cheetahs), Valke (merges with Lions), Border (merges with EP), SWD (merges with WP and Boland). That leaves 10 unions, Leopards lucky to survive but 10 works better than 9. Have them all playing in a single CC division, single round or double round depending on how much overlap with URC and tests people can tolerate. Maybe no semis, keep the final.

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final. Sides qualify by being the best in their province or the finishing position in the national club competition the season before. The comp is also used to find coaches and refs. For the players it is used as a more organised version of what schools rugby does, it gives anyone that didn't go to a top rugby school or did and didn't make it when they were a teenager another chance.

Additional benefits: AJ cries because the Purple People Eaters have died. Oom cries that clubs have replaced schools.

[average joe]

My uncle (I'm sure you are aware of which one I'm referring to by now) was a boer in murg en been till the day he died but went to Kearsney as a boy. I'm sure back in those day's it was not common for someone with his name to go there but his family was something of a big deal back then. He also did things Afrikaner boys would have bullied him about, like ballroom dancing, but he would knock your block off if you tried.

Did they teach him so good that he learned to love their queens and kings? Some souties get very emotional about the royal family. Did they teach him so good he became a fan of the British Empire perhaps? When I say a school is extremely English and people leave it thinking they are English, that's the sort of stuff I mean. I don't mean ballroom dancing.

A lot of the people those types of schools produce simply aren't capable of living in SA, then they emigrate. Ironic given your points about the general view being that English is needed to survive etc.

... Rhodesians just laugh at all this bullshit (not those who originate from those who moved there post WW2, but the real ones who come from Natalians who moved up in the 19th century), as with all their slang they have words only insiders understand for the English, pongo and choom are favourites. About a quarter my family are Afrikaners, they all have that background (literally names like "Albertus Stephanus Smith-Jones") and wouldn't dream of sending their kids to a pongo school.

I don't know what they taught him back then, but I strongly doubt he had any love for Queen and Empire. He turned out to be an artisan and a farmer. Hardly ever spoke English unless necessary and had no English accent. I think his mother was a larny type or at least thought she was. Probably why she felt it necessary to send her sons to a posh English school. His old man was reasonably wealthy as I understand. The way I knew him he probably hated it. I was told his mother kicked him out the house when he was 14 and he had to stay with the Zulu worker in the servant's quarters when home, because she could not keep house with him.

I did not say English is needed to survive. I said many Afrikaans people that I know let their kids study in English less they be disadvantaged from going abroad. Many Afrikaners find it hard to see a future for their kids here and would rather provide them with the tools to "make" it somewhere else.

I like history but I don't really care what Whenwees who moved from Natal in the 19th century did.

[average joe]

... onto the next controversial talking point.

The Boks must become stronger, for that to happen the player pool needs to be increased and more players need exposure. This is the best way:

Abolishing these unions: Purple People Eaters (merges with Cheetahs), Valke (merges with Lions), Border (merges with EP), SWD (merges with WP and Boland). That leaves 10 unions, Leopards lucky to survive but 10 works better than 9. Have them all playing in a single CC division, single round or double round depending on how much overlap with URC and tests people can tolerate. Maybe no semis, keep the final.

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final. Sides qualify by being the best in their province or the finishing position in the national club competition the season before. The comp is also used to find coaches and refs. For the players it is used as a more organised version of what schools rugby does, it gives anyone that didn't go to a top rugby school or did and didn't make it when they were a teenager another chance.

Additional benefits: AJ cries because the Purple People Eaters have died. Oom cries that clubs have replaced schools.

I don't really care if the Griffons merged with the Cheetahs, they are the same people from the same province anyways. But then the Bulls also needs to merge with the Lions, same people same province. Mpulanganga can keep the Lui-perde.

Clubs is another ingilse concept that you whenwees like? South Afrikan rugby is built on schools rugby.

[_Os_]

I like history but I don't really care what Whenwees who moved from Natal in the 19th century did.

Says the guy lecturing about your uncle! Look, if you want to talk about souties it's not going to work if you think we're all the same. Rhodesians really are very different to SA souties (and within them there's two groups, those from the pioneers who usually are now South Africans, and those who came post WW2 and are usually now British/Aussie/Kiwi). The gap is far larger than between Natalians and Capetonians (which is really only Capetonians are more exposed to Afrikaans). SA souties would not send their kids to an Afrikaans school, Rhodesians do and bluntly say "because there's only whites there".

Absolutely no soutie thinks all the English speaking schools are the same and it's just a matter of how "good" they are. As with the people themselves the schools are different. There is a strong cultural element to some of them by design, it is quite likely people that go to those schools will become English because that's the point. Over multiple generations it becomes a nailed on certainty. You're trying to tell me this isn't the case because of your uncle, I'm saying it is in fact the case. Black parents underestimate this the same way you are, when they rush to send their kids to "the best English speaking school for their future", then when they realise what the school is actually about they or their kids decide it's racist.

Anyway ... I await Rassie's selection of KZN's best in the starting XV.

[OomStruisbaai]

Sards must be a Soutie from Brakpan.

[Sards]

Sards must be a Soutie from Brakpan.

Born in Springs

The others don't get you and me ouboet

[average joe]

I'm not lecturing you about my uncle. I used him as an example because you keep going back to ancient history when discussing players from the 21st century.

[_Os_]

you keep going back to ancient history when discussing players from the 21st century.

Teich was a better player than Rassie.

[average joe]

you keep going back to ancient history when discussing players from the 21st century.

Teich was a better player than Rassie.

Rassie is a better coach than White.

[average joe]

And the big black dancing bull Trevor is a better prop than Tank.

[Sandstorm]

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final.

Who is going to pay for the travel for all these players around the country? Even the URC Teams with big budgets moan about increased travel every year.

[Sards]

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final.

Who is going to pay for the travel for all these players around the country? Even the URC Teams with big budgets moan about increased travel every year.

You need to be making a lot of money to fund a franchise. Consistently. Bless the Hollywood Bets

[bok_viking]

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final.

Who is going to pay for the travel for all these players around the country? Even the URC Teams with big budgets moan about increased travel every year.

There is a national club competition though, the Gold Cup, for all non university clubs. So not sure why os would want a new one. It consists of over 30 clubs around the country I think.

[OomStruisbaai]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

[bok_viking]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Libbok might spend a lot of time on the bench this season for the Stormers.

[Sandstorm]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Is he going to take shots at goal too?

[_Os_]

Make a new national club competition: About 30 amateur and semi-pro clubs, players from the remaining 10 provinces can be used but there'll be limits on how many each club can field. Single round going the entire season with a playoffs and final.

Who is going to pay for the travel for all these players around the country? Even the URC Teams with big budgets moan about increased travel every year.

There is a national club competition though, the Gold Cup, for all non university clubs. So not sure why os would want a new one. It consists of over 30 clubs around the country I think.

Because it's shit. The short version is it's a knockout tournament and not all the best teams are there, it's not possible to build any interest because it doesn't run the length of the season.

The longer explanation. Is it's original format was 20 teams qualifying by being the best in their provincial union, straight away the problem is that some provincial unions are kak (there's not much reason for them to exist past age grade rugby) their best club is worse than the fourth best in other unions with stronger clubs. Teams also qualified via a wild card entry, which were nowhere near the best. In any year there were Durban clubs nowhere near qualifying that would beat the majority of the teams in the comp. The qualified teams were then divided into four pools (the format was the same as the RWC), they didn't all play eachother, each team only got two home matches. Then they all played the quarters/semis/final at a neutral venue.

This wasn't played because of Covid and for years afterwards. They then came up with a new format, 32 teams now qualify using the same system as in the old format (best from each union and wildcards). The entire tournament is now a knockout tournament, using the same format as the English soccer FA cup over 5 rounds (a round of 32, 16 go through, 8 go through, 4 go through, final). It retains the main problem of the old format that it's not all the best teams, and makes another problem in the old format worse that it's not a real national club comp because the teams aren't playing each other much.

Not all the unions support their clubs. Some have involvement from the provincial squad players, others do not. Obviously there would be more interest if provincial squad players played for the clubs rather than doing nothing. It's normal in Durban for it to be competitive to play 1st XV for the better clubs, and to end up playing with some Sharks squad player who could later become a much bigger name. I'm not aware of that happening anywhere else.

Club rugby is a failure when it doesn't have to be.

A better format would be 30 sides playing the entire season in a league format, if travel is an issue split them into two pools. Only the actual best clubs not the Welkom Dog's Bums who are the best of the Purple People Eaters. Players not being used by the provincial side pick a club or are drafted by a club, with each club having a maximum amount of provincial players they can field. Most of the teams would be from Western Cape/Eastern Cape/Durban/Joburg. Because as my friend AJ points out clubs tend to be a soutie thing, but he misses they're also a coloured and black thing. If everything is built around the top rugby playing schools and the 1000+ clubs don't matter, you're ignoring most of the player base before you start.

[average joe]

Clubs are an extra expense for parents Ox. Since lockdown, my girls are both home schooled but go to a home school centrum. Any sports or interests they have means that they need to join a club. My eldest likes horses so she has joined a local Rodeo club. Besides the bloody horses (two because they are pack animals and would die if they don't have a friend apparently) and their feed and the vet and the farrier and the dude that does their teeth and the physio (yes horses actual have fokon physios as well) and the horsebox and the tact and saddles there are also still club fees and uniform. Trust me it gets expensive.

Now I know Rodeo won't be something that schools offer but even if the stubborn little vixen decided she would rather have played something that more normal kids play like netball I would still have to fork out a small fortune for club fees and specialist coaches and all the jazz that goes with it. If she was in a normal school, she would have been able to do any "normal" sport without me paying anything extra besides her school fees and the uniform. Even the transportation would have been cheaper.

[Blake]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Ummm...won't somebody like Matthee play 10 with Willemse at 15?
And even if Willemse is 10, sure it will just be fore 2-3 weeks until Libbok and SFM get released from Bok duty?

[OomStruisbaai]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Ummm...won't somebody like Matthee play 10 with Willemse at 15?
And even if Willemse is 10, sure it will just be fore 2-3 weeks until Libbok and SFM get released from Bok duty?

Nope, Matthee has been utterly kak. He can go back to KleinGim.

[Blake]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Ummm...won't somebody like Matthee play 10 with Willemse at 15?
And even if Willemse is 10, sure it will just be fore 2-3 weeks until Libbok and SFM get released from Bok duty?

Nope, Matthee has been utterly kak. He can go back to KleinGim.

How does the Wolhuter loan agreement with the Lions work? I assume he's lost to us for good?

Sitting behind Libbok, SF, Willemse and Matthee (regardless of how bad his form might be) it probably makes more sense for his career to go to the Lions to get more gametime...especially with Hendrikse's move to the Sharks.

[OomStruisbaai]

To get this thread back on topic, Damian Willemse will play 10 for the Stormers in the URC. Both Libbok and SMZ is involved with the Springboks.

Is he going to take shots at goal too?

Yes, we are use to Libbok by now.

[OomStruisbaai]

Ummm...won't somebody like Matthee play 10 with Willemse at 15?
And even if Willemse is 10, sure it will just be fore 2-3 weeks until Libbok and SFM get released from Bok duty?

Nope, Matthee has been utterly kak. He can go back to KleinGim.

How does the Wolhuter loan agreement with the Lions work? I assume he's lost to us for good?

Sitting behind Libbok, SF, Willemse and Matthee (regardless of how bad his form might be) it probably makes more sense for his career to go to the Lions to get more gametime...especially with Hendrikse's move to the Sharks.

Dobson failed that test heavily. He should never have let Wolhuter go.