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Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:27 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:05 am Supplies of vaccine are obviously still a problem with limited amounts being available for Newcastle next week.

Looks like there is some regional redistribution going on - Northern parts of England have being racing ahead so some of their supply is going elsewhere (sorry cant find the article to link to).

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:37 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:05 am Supplies of vaccine are obviously still a problem with limited amounts being available for Newcastle next week.

Supply chain is an issue but it isn't a surprise and will get sorted. It would have been amazing if vaccine supply and vaccination capacity developed so fast and in synch. Rather than seeing it as a problem it is probably more a measure of how fantastic the NHS has done in getting the capacity to deliver vaccines up and running as quickly as it has. As soon as supply is ramped up I expect the vaccination rate to accelerate significantly. Given the scale and speed this has been done there is relatively little noise in the system and most issues that have arisen would have been expected.

It just shows how lucky we are with NHS and a crying shame that we didnt spend the £22b on asking the NHS to get test, track and trace in place rather than spaffing it agains the wall providing profits to all the Tory donors. Even if we get vaccination rates up, which we will, we still need a functioning and fit for purpose TTT system in place for the rest of this year and probably permanently.. Surely the Gov need to admit failure on this, sack Dido and plan to replace the failed call centre based approach run by the incompetent profiteering Serco, Deliottes, etc.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:42 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:27 am
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:05 am Supplies of vaccine are obviously still a problem with limited amounts being available for Newcastle next week.
Looks like there is some regional redistribution going on - Northern parts of England have being racing ahead so some of their supply is going elsewhere (sorry cant find the article to link to).

Been listening on R5L this morning. Locally it;s dried up as well - no vaccination clinics next week. But MArlow is only opening up the main clinic tomorrow

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:44 am**

Caveat - NHS in Scotland and Wales being breaking the Pzier vaccine into smaller batches to get it into care homes quicker (80% vaccinated vs 60% in England) which has slowed things down somewhat.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am**

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am**

WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Covid: 400-person wedding party in Stamford Hill broken up by police

Police broke up a wedding party with 400 guests in north London. Officers found the windows at the Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.

The guests fled from the Charedi strictly Orthodox Jewish school when officers arrived.

The organisers are facing a £10,000 fine for breaching coronavirus regulations, while five other guests were issued £200 fines, police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:31 am**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Covid: 400-person wedding party in Stamford Hill broken up by police

Police broke up a wedding party with 400 guests in north London. Officers found the windows at the Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.

The guests fled from the Charedi strictly Orthodox Jewish school when officers arrived.

The organisers are facing a £10,000 fine for breaching coronavirus regulations, while five other guests were issued £200 fines, police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

Fine the fuck out of the lot of them all and the school. Bastards

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:48 am**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Covid: 400-person wedding party in Stamford Hill broken up by police

Police broke up a wedding party with 400 guests in north London. Officers found the windows at the Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.

The guests fled from the Charedi strictly Orthodox Jewish school when officers arrived.

The organisers are facing a £10,000 fine for breaching coronavirus regulations, while five other guests were issued £200 fines, police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

That's fucking mental. Should be pursuing as many of them as possible with fines. I'm all in favour of police having a light touch most of the time, but this kind of deliberate, organised thing just needs to be punished to the full extent. £10k each for the bride and groom, each of their parents, whoever was presiding over the wedding and £250 or £800, whichever was the law at the time, for every single guest.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:55 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am

What's the craic with France and vaccines? Sub 50% willing to be vaccinated seems pretty nuts.

Is it a cultural thing or has anti vax taken an especially deep hold there?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:58 am**

Vaccination of over 80s picking up well but still slow to get really going in places: ( STP = sub-regional area)
N.B. Data nearly a week old

The full picture across the country
The list reads, from left to right: name of STP; number of people covered by the STP aged 80 and over who have received a first dose of COVID-19 vaccine as of January 17; this number as a percentage of the latest population estimate for all people aged 80 and over covered by the STP.

Gloucestershire - 31,903 (85.3%)

Northamptonshire - 25,587 (78.2%)

Herefordshire and Worcestershire - 37,609 (76.2%)

Healthier Lancashire and South Cumbria - 70,027 (75.7%)

Cumbria and North East - 114,117 (70.8%)

Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire - 33,429 (70.6%)

Frimley Health and Care ICS - 23,985 (70.3%)

Hampshire and the Isle of Wight - 74,107 (69.7%)

Humber, Coast and Vale - 68,506 (67.8%)

Hertfordshire and West Essex - 50,815 (66.3%)

Birmingham and Solihull - 34,898 (66.3%)

West Yorkshire and Harrogate Health and Care Partnership - 68,120 (63.6%)

The Black Country and West Birmingham - 40,774 (63.4%)

South Yorkshire and Bassetlaw - 47,328 (63.0%)

Coventry and Warwickshire - 29,382 (62.2%)

Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire West - 54,760 (62.0%)

Staffordshire and Stoke on Trent - 37,001 (60.8%)

Mid and South Essex - 38,503 (60.5%)

Bath and North East Somerset, Swindon and Wiltshire - 30,040 (59.7%)

Greater Manchester Health and Social Care Partnership - 70,505 (59.6%)

Dorset - 34,242 (59.5%)

Cheshire and Merseyside - 80,366 (59.4%)

Surrey Heartlands Health and Care Partnership - 34,528 (56.9%)

Joined Up Care Derbyshire - 31,630 (56.9%)

Somerset - 21,680 (56.6%)

South West London Health and Care Partnership - 31,295 (56.6%)

Bedfordshire, Luton and Milton Keynes - 22,292 (56.1%)

North London Partners in Health and Care - 28,226 (55.1%)

Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly Health and Social Care Partnership - 19,535 (53.4%)

Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland - 27,826 (52.7%)

Lincolnshire - 24,253 (52.2%)

Norfolk and Waveney Health and Care Partnership - 36,809 (51.6%)

Kent and Medway - 49,208 (50.2%)

Devon - 39,880 (50.1%)

Shropshire and Telford and Wrekin - 14,031 (49.0%)

East London Health and Care Partnership - 27,886 (48.5%)

Sussex and East Surrey Health and Care Partnership - 52,462 (46.9%)

Cambridgeshire and Peterborough - 20,474 (45.7%)

Our Healthier South East London - 27,708 (45.7%)

North West London Health and Care Partnership - 35,171 (45.7%)

Nottingham and Nottinghamshire Health and Care - 21,510 (43.2%)

Suffolk and North East Essex - 22,265 (36.0%)

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:25 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:31 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Covid: 400-person wedding party in Stamford Hill broken up by police

Police broke up a wedding party with 400 guests in north London. Officers found the windows at the Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.

The guests fled from the Charedi strictly Orthodox Jewish school when officers arrived.

The organisers are facing a £10,000 fine for breaching coronavirus regulations, while five other guests were issued £200 fines, police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

Fine the fuck out of the lot of them all and the school. Bastards

You'd think they would know better as the School's Head died of Covid19 in April last year.

There does seem to be a pattern with these more flagrant cases, involving sects or groups that see themselves as separate from the rest of society and/or following a higher power. Israel has also had problems getting ultra-orthodox jews to follow government guidance:

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases in major hospitals ... Many in the ultra-Orthodox community only follow the orders of rabbis, not health officials, and for weeks, many ignored government bans against large weddings and prayer services."

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:34 pm**

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:25 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:31 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Fine the fuck out of the lot of them all and the school. Bastards
You'd think they would know better as the School's Head died of Covid19 in April last year.

There does seem to be a pattern with these more flagrant cases, involving sects or groups that see themselves as separate from the rest of society and/or following a higher power. Israel has also had problems getting ultra-orthodox jews to follow government guidance:

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases in major hospitals ... Many in the ultra-Orthodox community only follow the orders of rabbis, not health officials, and for weeks, many ignored government bans against large weddings and prayer services."

Just heard on the radio that the school actually outsource the hiring and usage of it's facilities and knew absolutely nothing about the wedding. The Chief Rabbi has been scathing about what happened

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:52 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:34 pm
Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:25 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:31 am
Fine the fuck out of the lot of them all and the school. Bastards
You'd think they would know better as the School's Head died of Covid19 in April last year.

There does seem to be a pattern with these more flagrant cases, involving sects or groups that see themselves as separate from the rest of society and/or following a higher power. Israel has also had problems getting ultra-orthodox jews to follow government guidance:

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases in major hospitals ... Many in the ultra-Orthodox community only follow the orders of rabbis, not health officials, and for weeks, many ignored government bans against large weddings and prayer services."
Just heard on the radio that the school actually outsource the hiring and usage of it's facilities and knew absolutely nothing about the wedding. The Chief Rabbi has been scathing about what happened

It begs the question - what did they think it was going to be used for?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:56 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:52 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:34 pm
Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:25 pm

You'd think they would know better as the School's Head died of Covid19 in April last year.

There does seem to be a pattern with these more flagrant cases, involving sects or groups that see themselves as separate from the rest of society and/or following a higher power. Israel has also had problems getting ultra-orthodox jews to follow government guidance:

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases in major hospitals ... Many in the ultra-Orthodox community only follow the orders of rabbis, not health officials, and for weeks, many ignored government bans against large weddings and prayer services."
Just heard on the radio that the school actually outsource the hiring and usage of it's facilities and knew absolutely nothing about the wedding. The Chief Rabbi has been scathing about what happened
It begs the question - what did they think it was going to be used for?

Quite..

We have a booking for your fucking massive hall.

Great, just the 2 people from different households meeting I take it?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 pm**

400k yesterday!

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:07 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 pm 400k yesterday!

Or as Boris would say - nearly a million.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:12 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:07 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 pm 400k yesterday!

Or as Boris would say - nearly a million.

Well joking aside its a really good days work - putting the UK on target to meet its Mid February target for all over 70s.

Today should be similar but expecting another weekend drop off.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:17 pm**

With these death tolls from the Christmas extravaganza still coming you have to think there are a lot of very guilty feeling family members around the UK. It's very sad.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:24 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:12 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:07 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:03 pm 400k yesterday!

Or as Boris would say - nearly a million.
Well joking aside its a really good days work - putting the UK on target to meet its Mid February target for all over 70s.

Today should be similar but expecting another weekend drop off.

Oh I agree, I'm 70+ so I'm eagerly awaiting.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:35 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:24 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:12 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:07 pm

Or as Boris would say - nearly a million.
Well joking aside its a really good days work - putting the UK on target to meet its Mid February target for all over 70s.

Today should be similar but expecting another weekend drop off.
Oh I agree, I'm 70+ so I'm eagerly awaiting.

Best wishes - I am eagerly awaiting the chance to see the parents/inlaws again so feel the same way*

*mainly to dump the kids on them for a couple of nights!

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:09 pm**

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:25 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:31 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am WTF is wrong with people willfully ignoring the regs?

Fine the fuck out of the lot of them all and the school. Bastards
You'd think they would know better as the School's Head died of Covid19 in April last year.

There does seem to be a pattern with these more flagrant cases, involving sects or groups that see themselves as separate from the rest of society and/or following a higher power. Israel has also had problems getting ultra-orthodox jews to follow government guidance:

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases in major hospitals ... Many in the ultra-Orthodox community only follow the orders of rabbis, not health officials, and for weeks, many ignored government bans against large weddings and prayer services."

Same in New York. The Haredi aren't keen on following advice.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:52 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:59 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:52 pm

Home Secretary Donald Trump said that?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:15 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:23 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:59 pm Home Secretary Donald Trump said that?

I look forward to Openside trotting along shortly to dismissed it as her 3rd 'slip of the tongue' in 2 weeks. It's a tough job putting words into sentences in the right order.

But fear not, infinite monkey theorem dictates if she spews enough shit for long enough eventually she'll put some words together in the right order in a manner that make sense.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:26 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:31 pm**

Huge effort for vaccinations today. Wales finally stepped up and out-delivered Scotland for once

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:51 pm**

Well on the latest stats not only we have the most deaths in Europe but we have pulled ahead of Italy in deaths/million population. San Marino might be a stretch too far for us but I’m sure Boris will be optimistic.

BTW has the fat slug announced any plans to free up for a few days over Valentines day?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:08 pm**

Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:27 pm**

For fucks sake:

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:08 pm Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.

Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:01 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:08 pm Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.
Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.

Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:05 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:01 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:08 pm Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.
Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.
Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy

From what I've read, the way coronaviruses mutate means we'd be more likely to see a gradual reduction in effectiveness rather than a single mutation which snaps the vaccines to useless. Which would probably mean that it'd be a good few years before the vaccine needed to be changed.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:10 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:01 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:08 pm Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.
Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.
Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy

We have an exit strategy?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:19 pm**

frodder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:10 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:01 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 pm

Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.
Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy
We have an exit strategy?

I’ve got a bottle of wine and couple of half finished series on Netflix to finish. Will that do?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:40 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:27 pm For fucks sake:

Genuine question, what the fuck is this? Who are these people? Where are they going? Why are they allowed?

My family have stuck to everything, we desperately miss our wider friends and family, why the fuck is this allowed to happen. I’m seriously pissed off sitting here

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:44 pm**

And why does every person on there have their nose stuck out of the mask?

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:48 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:27 pm For fucks sake:

Genuine question, what the fuck is this? Who are these people? Where are they going? Why are they allowed?

My family have stuck to everything, we desperately miss our wider friends and family, why the fuck is this allowed to happen. I’m seriously pissed off sitting here

I feel the same.

Genuinely fuming to the extent ive written to my MP.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:57 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:48 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:40 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:27 pm For fucks sake:

Genuine question, what the fuck is this? Who are these people? Where are they going? Why are they allowed?

My family have stuck to everything, we desperately miss our wider friends and family, why the fuck is this allowed to happen. I’m seriously pissed off sitting here
I feel the same.

Genuinely fuming to the extent ive written to my MP.

It's absolute fucking nonsense. There is no conceivable way that all of those people are on 'essential' journeys.

Posted: **Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:06 pm**

Probably all foreign types going home to EU / UKIP marketing dept

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