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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:07 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:04 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 10:43 am a truely remarkable piece of doublespeak, & mendacity.

I can see why Liz pulled a sickie; she was probably afraid her tongue would turn black uttering such lies.

Ah, thought you meant Truss for a minute. I was confused.

Truss doesn't have the wit, or self-awareness to be ashamed of parroting this kind of drivel

SaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:12 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:07 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:04 am

Ah, thought you meant Truss for a minute. I was confused.

Truss doesn't have the wit, or self-awareness to be ashamed of parroting this kind of drivel

The way Charles was reading it sounded as if he thought it was drivel as well!!!

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

petej wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:59 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

Doesn't matter what the ending is to a press which has no scruples at all about brown nosing their mate.

salanya wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:59 pm So how does Boris envisage stimulating the economy when a vast percentage of the population has a much lower or no disposable income?

Is he going to find all these people 'high wage' jobs in the next 3 months??!

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:46 pm

salanya wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:59 pm So how does Boris envisage stimulating the economy when a vast percentage of the population has a much lower or no disposable income?

Is he going to find all these people 'high wage' jobs in the next 3 months??!

Gut human rights.

Gut employment rights.

Fuck the environment.

Stop the right to protest.

Neuter the Courts.

Sorry, did anyone think he meant stimulating the economy for those outside the chums and donors?

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:06 am



ffs the Mail and Tory MPs are quite scummy

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:52 pm You pig. She is not here for you to ogle and if you search 'Bikini' and 'Labour' you just get some women giving birth in a pool and who the fuck wants to watch that bar me

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:06 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm Under that George Peretz QC tweet was this

Dan Hodges writes for the Mail

I just have to repeat the quote wrt Starmer, "If he gets away with not breaking the law"

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

Any professional journalist who needs to have whatever he has written spun favourably is not very good at his job.

Apparently there is a paper trail of work messages and WhatsApp posts going on to nearly two in the morning after they had the food and a beer. That's probably why Starmer was confident enough to offer his resignation if he was issued with a FPN.

I hear that the guy who filmed the people having food through a window is the son of co founder of Breitbart UK James Delingpole, and we know that Hodges is pushing this story hard in the Mail.


Really anyone who thinks Starmer is damaged by this is a bit desperate, hanging on to the Mail's and Breibart's coat tails is not a good look.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:02 am Gove has been at his drugs stash early today

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:06 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

Any professional journalist who needs to have whatever he has written spun favourably is not very good at his job.

Apparently there is a paper trail of work messages and WhatsApp posts going on to nearly two in the morning after they had the food and a beer. That's probably why Starmer was confident enough to offer his resignation if he was issued with a FPN.

I hear that the guy who filmed the people having food through a window is the son of co founder of Breitbart UK James Delingpole, and we know that Hodges is pushing this story hard in the Mail.


Really anyone who thinks Starmer is damaged by this is a bit desperate, hanging on to the Mail's and Breibart's coat tails is not a good look.

He later clarified that point on his twitter so that's not spinning I'm afraid. It's also quite obvious what he means when you see what he's replying to.

We'll see when the latest polls come out. I expect a dip for Starmer. Say what you want about the Mail & the Sun (right wing campaign tools) but they get readers. I can't imagine many had a favourable view of Starmer to begin with so he might be fine.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:26 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:06 am


Any professional journalist who needs to have whatever he has written spun favourably is not very good at his job.

Apparently there is a paper trail of work messages and WhatsApp posts going on to nearly two in the morning after they had the food and a beer. That's probably why Starmer was confident enough to offer his resignation if he was issued with a FPN.

I hear that the guy who filmed the people having food through a window is the son of co founder of Breitbart UK James Delingpole, and we know that Hodges is pushing this story hard in the Mail.


Really anyone who thinks Starmer is damaged by this is a bit desperate, hanging on to the Mail's and Breibart's coat tails is not a good look.

He later clarified that point on his twitter so that's not spinning I'm afraid. It's also quite obvious what he means when you see what he's replying to.

We'll see when the latest polls come out. I expect a dip for Starmer. Say what you want about the Mail & the Sun (right wing campaign tools) but they get readers. I can't imagine many had a favourable view of Starmer to begin with so he might be fine.

I think the whole 'Beergate' episode is a classical example of what is wrong with this country and its media at the moment. It is a complete non-story, Stammer did nothing wrong and that will be the police findings. He is not stupid as an ex-DPP and if nothing else is meticulous and will have checked the law and all the details before declaring he would resign if in receipt of a FPN. However the Gov need a story to deflect from their actual law-breaking and FPNs, the Blonde Bumblecunts disastrous GMB interview, JRM declaring Brexit is about imposition of self harm to the UK, Tory Peer Mone being investigated for PPE contracts with Gove implicated and not forgetting the horrendous loss of nearly 500 local council seats. So up steps the Tory press, desperate to avoid a Labour Gov that will strip their owners of Non-Dom status, with a dodgy non story ' man eats curry at work' attacking the Labour leader. It is then picked up by the complaint BBC and other media and they reinforce the false equivalence in order to appear 'neutral' in the 'partygate/beergate' issue instead of looking at the facts and reporting objectively.

It now looks like the whole beergate story, driven by Tory HQ, is going to backfire on them and leave the Blonde Bumblecunt, Dishy Rishi and others in an even worse situation to protect once they get further FPNs and still refuse to resign. It is a bit of a misstep, they now have an Opposition Leader who has managed to take the moral high ground and exhibit a set of standards higher than the current Gov can even dream of. It will be difficult to protect this position going forward, however as usual they will avoid it by throwing in another 'dead cat' to deflect.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:06 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:05 pm

It's a totally ridiculous thing to say in that context. But he means e.g. Johnson's garden party - no fines for it (yet) so currently has "got away with not breaking the law" but it was slightly damaging politically. See also Dominic Cummings drive to Barnard Castle - he got away with not breaking the law but it was the beginning of the end.

Currygate's ideal ending for the Tory press is that Sir Beers is politically damaged, loses some moral authority. But not fined so doesn't resign.

So Hodges actually has a point in that no finding of breaking the law is still damaging. Tory wind up that he is.

Any professional journalist who needs to have whatever he has written spun favourably is not very good at his job.

Apparently there is a paper trail of work messages and WhatsApp posts going on to nearly two in the morning after they had the food and a beer. That's probably why Starmer was confident enough to offer his resignation if he was issued with a FPN.

I hear that the guy who filmed the people having food through a window is the son of co founder of Breitbart UK James Delingpole, and we know that Hodges is pushing this story hard in the Mail.


Really anyone who thinks Starmer is damaged by this is a bit desperate, hanging on to the Mail's and Breibart's coat tails is not a good look.

He later clarified that point on his twitter so that's not spinning I'm afraid. It's also quite obvious what he means when you see what he's replying to.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:39 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:10 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:06 am


Any professional journalist who needs to have whatever he has written spun favourably is not very good at his job.

Apparently there is a paper trail of work messages and WhatsApp posts going on to nearly two in the morning after they had the food and a beer. That's probably why Starmer was confident enough to offer his resignation if he was issued with a FPN.

I hear that the guy who filmed the people having food through a window is the son of co founder of Breitbart UK James Delingpole, and we know that Hodges is pushing this story hard in the Mail.


Really anyone who thinks Starmer is damaged by this is a bit desperate, hanging on to the Mail's and Breibart's coat tails is not a good look.

He later clarified that point on his twitter so that's not spinning I'm afraid. It's also quite obvious what he means when you see what he's replying to.

The tweet he was replying to was one from Steve Madeley, who is a sports journalist from what I can gather.

Hodges initially said "it's not about the technical breach of the law, it's about the perception of hypocrisy and lack of openness. He can't get off on a technicality on this"

To which Madeley replied "I do get that the optics are poor, but breaking the law versus not breaking the law is a bit more than a technicality, isn't it?"

Hodges response that one about Starmer getting away with not breaking the law. I repeat, "getting away with not breaking the law", ffs.

The perception of wrong doing is being fuelled by Hodges almost on his own. The event has already been looked at by the police, unlike the Tory events in County Durham and unlike the garden party with cheese and wine at Downing St.

As someone said elsewhere if Starmer donated a kidney Hodges would be wailing that Starmer had kept one for himself.

There is a desperate attempt to draw equivalence between this and the multiple events the Tories were having, all fifteen that we know about so far. The win here for the Tories is that the mud sticks and "they are all the same, them politicians, so lets forget about it all", the Tory party are again taking the voters for mugs

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:39 am
There is a desperate attempt to draw equivalence between this and the multiple events the Tories were having, all fifteen that we know about so far. The win here for the Tories is that the mud sticks and "they are all the same, them politicians, so lets forget about it all", the Tory party are again taking the voters for mugs

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:26 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:10 am

He later clarified that point on his twitter so that's not spinning I'm afraid. It's also quite obvious what he means when you see what he's replying to.

We'll see when the latest polls come out. I expect a dip for Starmer. Say what you want about the Mail & the Sun (right wing campaign tools) but they get readers. I can't imagine many had a favourable view of Starmer to begin with so he might be fine.

I think the whole 'Beergate' episode is a classical example of what is wrong with this country and its media at the moment. It is a complete non-story, Stammer did nothing wrong and that will be the police findings. He is not stupid as an ex-DPP and if nothing else is meticulous and will have checked the law and all the details before declaring he would resign if in receipt of a FPN. However the Gov need a story to deflect from their actual law-breaking and FPNs, the Blonde Bumblecunts disastrous GMB interview, JRM declaring Brexit is about imposition of self harm to the UK, Tory Peer Mone being investigated for PPE contracts with Gove implicated and not forgetting the horrendous loss of nearly 500 local council seats. So up steps the Tory press, desperate to avoid a Labour Gov that will strip their owners of Non-Dom status, with a dodgy non story ' man eats curry at work' attacking the Labour leader. It is then picked up by the complaint BBC and other media and they reinforce the false equivalence in order to appear 'neutral' in the 'partygate/beergate' issue instead of looking at the facts and reporting objectively.

It now looks like the whole beergate story, driven by Tory HQ, is going to backfire on them and leave the Blonde Bumblecunt, Dishy Rishi and others in an even worse situation to protect once they get further FPNs and still refuse to resign. It is a bit of a misstep, they now have an Opposition Leader who has managed to take the moral high ground and exhibit a set of standards higher than the current Gov can even dream of. It will be difficult to protect this position going forward, however as usual they will avoid it by throwing in another 'dead cat' to deflect.

You won't find me arguing that the right wing press is not all that wrong with the country.

Pretty much all of the problems we have in politics comes from about 5 billionaires who live off-shore controlling the debate.

And whilst Hodges is a complete moron he has a point on this one. Even if politicians don't get charged, police investigations are rarely harmless. No matter how confected. Starmer should learn his lesson and get out of bed with The Sun and Murdoch.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 11:07 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:38 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:26 am

I think the whole 'Beergate' episode is a classical example of what is wrong with this country and its media at the moment. It is a complete non-story, Stammer did nothing wrong and that will be the police findings. He is not stupid as an ex-DPP and if nothing else is meticulous and will have checked the law and all the details before declaring he would resign if in receipt of a FPN. However the Gov need a story to deflect from their actual law-breaking and FPNs, the Blonde Bumblecunts disastrous GMB interview, JRM declaring Brexit is about imposition of self harm to the UK, Tory Peer Mone being investigated for PPE contracts with Gove implicated and not forgetting the horrendous loss of nearly 500 local council seats. So up steps the Tory press, desperate to avoid a Labour Gov that will strip their owners of Non-Dom status, with a dodgy non story ' man eats curry at work' attacking the Labour leader. It is then picked up by the complaint BBC and other media and they reinforce the false equivalence in order to appear 'neutral' in the 'partygate/beergate' issue instead of looking at the facts and reporting objectively.

It now looks like the whole beergate story, driven by Tory HQ, is going to backfire on them and leave the Blonde Bumblecunt, Dishy Rishi and others in an even worse situation to protect once they get further FPNs and still refuse to resign. It is a bit of a misstep, they now have an Opposition Leader who has managed to take the moral high ground and exhibit a set of standards higher than the current Gov can even dream of. It will be difficult to protect this position going forward, however as usual they will avoid it by throwing in another 'dead cat' to deflect.

You won't find me arguing that the right wing press is not all that wrong with the country.

Pretty much all of the problems we have in politics comes from about 5 billionaires who live off-shore controlling the debate.

And whilst Hodges is a complete moron he has a point on this one. Even if politicians don't get charged, police investigations are rarely harmless. No matter how confected. Starmer should learn his lesson and get out of bed with The Sun and Murdoch.

Starmer writing in the Sun isn't because he wants to get the Sun on-side, it's because he wants to reach Sun readers and the best way to do so is on their home turf. I don't think anyone in Labour is thinking that the Sun is suddenly going to support them.

petej wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:02 am Gove has been at his drugs stash early today

That is bad.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:11 pm A true Tory scumbag and no mistake

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:36 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:11 pm A true Tory scumbag and no mistake

They really are fucking evil. Any of this sort of thing should result in them having to actually attempt it.

We'll even be generous and say he can have £1 a day. Give him that and see how he's getting on after a week.

You simply cannot eat the amount a human being is supposed to, let alone healthily, for so little.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:12 pm If people cannot budget and/or cook, and actually both of those are issues, would Lee Anderson care to take a swing at who we speak to about failures around investment and education in such areas?

Also 30p a day? I mean maybe you could buy a giant bag of smashed cheap biscuits that could possibly get you near a survival calorie intake over 1-2 weeks that averages to that. But even if you could get near a survival level of calories, and I have my doubts in advance, the malnutrition would be so alarming only Skynet should be making suggestions like Anderson's

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:52 pm Can't we just check his expenses & see what he thinks is a reasonable amount to spend daily ?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:18 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:12 pm If people cannot budget and/or cook, and actually both of those are issues, would Lee Anderson care to take a swing at who we speak to about failures around investment and education in such areas?

Also 30p a day? I mean maybe you could buy a giant bag of smashed cheap biscuits that could possibly get you near a survival calorie intake over 1-2 weeks that averages to that. But even if you could get near a survival level of calories, and I have my doubts in advance, the malnutrition would be so alarming only Skynet should be making suggestions like Anderson's

You're obviously supposed to supplement the smashed biscuits, with the occasional piece of roadkill, or pizza you nicked out of your neighbours dustbin

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:27 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:18 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:12 pm If people cannot budget and/or cook, and actually both of those are issues, would Lee Anderson care to take a swing at who we speak to about failures around investment and education in such areas?

Also 30p a day? I mean maybe you could buy a giant bag of smashed cheap biscuits that could possibly get you near a survival calorie intake over 1-2 weeks that averages to that. But even if you could get near a survival level of calories, and I have my doubts in advance, the malnutrition would be so alarming only Skynet should be making suggestions like Anderson's

You're obviously supposed to supplement the smashed biscuits, with the occasional piece of roadkill, or pizza you nicked out of your neighbours dustbin

There is some good in this. The rise in NI to backfill ongoing spending in the NHS palpably isn't going to address issues in social care. But, if the population or at least a reasonable percentage are going to try and survive now on 30p, or even £2 a day on food, then we can be reasonably sure life expectancy for a good number of people will be significantly reduced. And thus finally the Tory party are addressing in some meaningful manner how social care, pension and health costs will be met

Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:42 pm I think in this context NI meant National Insurance.