NPR

"NimbleFins is a personal finance website that conducts in-depth research & analysis on a variety of topics from insurance and credit cards to everyday spending and household budgets."

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/average-uk ... udget#nogo

The short story - Average UK household spending is £30k per year, Average UK income is £38K before tax

Obviously if things are tight you are not skiing in Aspen this year, but these are averages, and there are things like car insurance, council tax, broadband, petrol, food etc that are not means-tested and people to do live according to their means. My point here is that even a good salary of £38k doesn't mean it's all roast pheasant and French wines.

For a dickhead on £80k plus (before expenses) to tell others to cut their cloth is yet another example of what the Tories think of the voters

Mahoney wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:42 pm I think in this context NI meant National Insurance.

The DUP must love that for most Brits NI will only ever mean national insurance

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:27 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:18 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:12 pm If people cannot budget and/or cook, and actually both of those are issues, would Lee Anderson care to take a swing at who we speak to about failures around investment and education in such areas?

Also 30p a day? I mean maybe you could buy a giant bag of smashed cheap biscuits that could possibly get you near a survival calorie intake over 1-2 weeks that averages to that. But even if you could get near a survival level of calories, and I have my doubts in advance, the malnutrition would be so alarming only Skynet should be making suggestions like Anderson's

You're obviously supposed to supplement the smashed biscuits, with the occasional piece of roadkill, or pizza you nicked out of your neighbours dustbin

There is some good in this. The rise in NI to backfill ongoing spending in the NHS palpably isn't going to address issues in social care. But, if the population or at least a reasonable percentage are going to try and survive now on 30p, or even £2 a day on food, then we can be reasonably sure life expectancy for a good number of people will be significantly reduced. And thus finally the Tory party are addressing in some meaningful manner how social care, pension and health costs will be met

Indeed.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:36 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:11 pm A true Tory scumbag and no mistake

They really are fucking evil. Any of this sort of thing should result in them having to actually attempt it.

We'll even be generous and say he can have £1 a day. Give him that and see how he's getting on after a week.

You simply cannot eat the amount a human being is supposed to, let alone healthily, for so little.

In around 2013 there was a challenge to live for £1 a day for 100 days. Nobody achieved it. You basically ate porridge three meals per day. Which when you factor in costs of heat is likely over budget anyway.

It's very typical of the modern Tory party to say such a mental thing. Sir Keirs first PMQ should be "Mr Johnson, how do I live on 30p per day".

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 5:12 pm

My previous firm had an office in Harlow, it's a grim place.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:02 pm "NimbleFins is a personal finance website that conducts in-depth research & analysis on a variety of topics from insurance and credit cards to everyday spending and household budgets."

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/average-uk ... udget#nogo

The short story - Average UK household spending is £30k per year, Average UK income is £38K before tax

Obviously if things are tight you are not skiing in Aspen this year, but these are averages, and there are things like car insurance, council tax, broadband, petrol, food etc that are not means-tested and people to do live according to their means. My point here is that even a good salary of £38k doesn't mean it's all roast pheasant and French wines.

For a dickhead on £80k plus (before expenses) to tell others to cut their cloth is yet another example of what the Tories think of the voters

They have nothing to offer. Lee Anderson should be invited on to tv shows to demonstrate his cooking skills.

Comfortable households can always be more efficient on spend as better quality things tend to last longer and you can bulk buy which is cheaper. Being poor is more expensive. Not sure why Tories find this hard to understand.

I think they all still have this notion that we're living in a country where minimum wage is still enough for a man to support the wife and 2 children, and buy his own home, and the good little wife stays at home and has all day to cook meals from scratch.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:21 pm I think they all still have this notion that we're living in a country where minimum wage is still enough for a man to support the wife and 2 children, and buy his own home, and the good little wife stays at home and has all day to cook meals from scratch.

No wonder if all the Tories are off thier tits as much as Gove was on the Beeb this am.
What a disgrace

C69 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:23 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:21 pm I think they all still have this notion that we're living in a country where minimum wage is still enough for a man to support the wife and 2 children, and buy his own home, and the good little wife stays at home and has all day to cook meals from scratch.

No wonder if all the Tories are off thier tits as much as Gove was on the Beeb this am.
What a disgrace

Don't you know ?

If you give people enough benefits to actually survive, they spend them all on getting off their faces !

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

I'm detecting the same energy as ZANU-PF conducting a ribbon cutting for a bin/skip. Or the ANC Eastern Cape ribbon cutting for a hand pump well and another for a long drop toilet.

How much did the Tories steal during Covid again? Tin fucking pot.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 10:04 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

I'm detecting the same energy as ZANU-PF conducting a ribbon cutting for a bin/skip. Or the ANC Eastern Cape ribbon cutting for a hand pump well and another for a long drop toilet.

How much did the Tories steal during Covid again? Tin fucking pot.

Isn't it amazing how these same Politicians don't show the same enthusiasm to show up for the, closing of a Police Station, or a Fire Station, or a Help Center, or a Hospital Ward, or a Citizens Advice Office,etc, etc, etc, etc .......

Did the Bumblecunt show up for the selling up, & demolition, of all those Police Stations he closed while Mayor ?, or all those Fire Stations he closed ... before Grenfell .... when a faster response could have saved dozens of lives ?

Little known fact.

In the early '90's Gove was part of a TWTWTW reboot on Channel 4 called "A stab in the Dark", in which he played the David Frost role, with David Baddiel, and Tracey MacLeod as sidekicks. It lasted one series, and was memorably lampooned by Private Eye as "Those Were the Wankers that Were.

He was simply revisiting his youth.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

tbf it looks like it's a rather good food bank. seems like lots of choice for the dessert buffet, I wonder if its 'all you can eat'

petej wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:13 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:02 pm "NimbleFins is a personal finance website that conducts in-depth research & analysis on a variety of topics from insurance and credit cards to everyday spending and household budgets."

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/average-uk ... udget#nogo

The short story - Average UK household spending is £30k per year, Average UK income is £38K before tax

Obviously if things are tight you are not skiing in Aspen this year, but these are averages, and there are things like car insurance, council tax, broadband, petrol, food etc that are not means-tested and people to do live according to their means. My point here is that even a good salary of £38k doesn't mean it's all roast pheasant and French wines.

For a dickhead on £80k plus (before expenses) to tell others to cut their cloth is yet another example of what the Tories think of the voters

They have nothing to offer. Lee Anderson should be invited on to tv shows to demonstrate his cooking skills.

Comfortable households can always be more efficient on spend as better quality things tend to last longer and you can bulk buy which is cheaper. Being poor is more expensive. Not sure why Tories find this hard to understand.

Being poor is way more expensive, definitely.

Paying for electricity on a key and gas on a card is far more expensive than having a metered monthly bill.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

Food banks are the ideal Tory solution in that they've outsourced a government responsibility to the private & third sector. They don't realize it's a bad thing.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 5:09 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

tbf it looks like it's a rather good food bank. seems like lots of choice for the dessert buffet, I wonder if its 'all you can eat'

Christ, that is so fucking tone deaf, unbelievable.

and 50 more FPNs dropped on doorsteps .... question is were any more on No 10, or 11s !

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:54 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 5:09 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 3:25 pm Mind you, these local Tory officials in Dartford appear delighted to be opening yet another food bank

tbf it looks like it's a rather good food bank. seems like lots of choice for the dessert buffet, I wonder if its 'all you can eat'

Christ, that is so fucking tone deaf, unbelievable.

I know it’s not good anyway but please please tell me the food wasn’t donated.

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:48 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:54 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 5:09 am

tbf it looks like it's a rather good food bank. seems like lots of choice for the dessert buffet, I wonder if its 'all you can eat'

Christ, that is so fucking tone deaf, unbelievable.

I know it’s not good anyway but please please tell me the food wasn’t donated.

Sorry

A spokesperson for the food bank said the ‘light refreshments were donated for the foodbank volunteers, for all the hard work they have done for foodbank, particularly during the pandemic’.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/to ... st#image=1

So now they're literally taking food out of children's mouths !

This isn't about the Tories per se, it's more about their attack hounds

"Hate mail and death threats: how the right wrecked one man’s life for its culture war"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ling-queen

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 10:53 am

He was also given a knighthood by Johnson and his Mayfair art business is under investigation about dodgy deals with Russians
Private Eye has been on his case for a while now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61419388

Looks like recession coming quicker than I thought it would?

It seems pretty obvious now that more FPNs landed on the Bumblecunts doorstep, & that's why the UK is going to break International law, & do their damnest to restart the troubles.

When a conversation like this is described as 'tetchy', that means that the EU are clearly fed up with the lies & bullshit from the UK side .

No breakthrough in 'tetchy' Northern Ireland Protocol talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61421580

I hope the EUs tariffs are targeted to maximise the pain to Tory Constituencies.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:15 pm It seems pretty obvious now that more FPNs landed on the Bumblecunts doorstep, & that's why the UK is going to break International law, & do their damnest to restart the troubles.

When a conversation like this is described as 'tetchy', that means that the EU are clearly fed up with the lies & bullshit from the UK side .

No breakthrough in 'tetchy' Northern Ireland Protocol talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61421580

I hope the EUs tariffs are targeted to maximise the pain to Tory Constituencies.

I doubt they will, in The Times the leaks were basically Truss doesn't like Seferovic and wants the European governments to act.

The brexit story doesn't move the needle in the press anymore as we've all moved on. And the UK is what 0/3 in actually following through with the "potential trade war" stakes now.

I haven’t really thought this through, but what is the biggest reason to not have a windfall tax?

Or alternatively, is there a reason why wholesale gas prices be capped?

Or am I just being a commie?

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:08 pm I haven’t really thought this through, but what is the biggest reason to not have a windfall tax?

Or alternatively, is there a reason why wholesale gas prices be capped?

Or am I just being a commie?

It will piss off generous donors; & providers of board seats to the scum when they are eventually removed from power.

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:34 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61419388

Looks like recession coming quicker than I thought it would?

Brexit really was a very stupid idea when combined with everything else.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:21 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:29 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 10:53 am

He was also given a knighthood by Johnson and his Mayfair art business is under investigation about dodgy deals with Russians
Private Eye has been on his case for a while now.

That's been the worry for the UK. All this uber corruption and external state influences and still a huge constituency alright with it.

Ja that's the biggest issue. As soon as there's industrial scale corruption like we're seeing, something awful has already progressed past the point of no return. What then needs to happen is people vote for the other party no matter what their politics are, as long as they're cleaner they should be supported. Because what's at stake is the entire system, it's beyond party politics.

But there are places (mostly in Africa) where that doesn't happen. The same party just keeps going, people keep voting for it no matter what. There's many reasons why, picking only some: The ability of ordinary people to take a massive amount of pain with few complaints, pervasive nationalism especially when there's a messianic mission to it, an alternate reality purposely fostered by elites/media/education system.

The Tories should be polling in the single digits, they're at 33% to 35%. There's an incredibly large constituency for what they've done and will continue doing. It's not unthinkable at all that they could peak for an election and get 40%, which is a huge majority in the UK electoral system. And if they manage that, they can do it again.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 5:16 pm Big time. This one is particularly stinky pants https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... nstruction

Turnip Constitutional Monarchy.

Jack Monroe on poverty and Tory MPs.

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2022/05 ... a-tory-mp/

So what happened to the sovereignty of Parliament that the Brexiteers loved to crow about?

sefton wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:01 pm So what happened to the sovereignty of Parliament that the Brexiteers loved to crow about?

Think that went out of the window when to a man they backed Boris' illegal prorogation of Parliament

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:08 pm I haven’t really thought this through, but what is the biggest reason to not have a windfall tax?

Or alternatively, is there a reason why wholesale gas prices be capped?

Or am I just being a commie?

Capping the cost will send more small suppliers to the wall and the government then picks up more cost through the provider of last resort.

Windfall tax will happen and the government will lose some goodwill and any new leases offered will be sold for far less. Making it work is hard, a lot of profit is offset by decommissioning costs so most of the majors post no real profit from UK operations. It will drive up costs to produce in the UK and make it less attractive, which in one sense will be cheered (zero carbon agenda) but that oil will still be needed and bought from places where zero carbon is of no interest.

It is a political point that makes very little sense in the medium to long term.

I think I have enough of a handle on things now, to finally declare, the UK is fucked.
The old are punishing the young
The rich are punishing the poor.
You have a brexit class that are quasi religious in their fervor.
The rest of the brainless resent'tards are so easily whipped up, that they can be set upon whoever is in the nons doms press, sights that week. Anyone from Lawyers, Firemen, Drs, Judges.
Keir Starmer constantly (like a thousand times) lied in the leadership election, and to the Labour Party to become leader, by saying he would be as leftwing as corbyn, then immediately started kicking left wing people out. And they say he is honourable and decent. He has behaved like a gynormous fucking lying shit witch in the Labour Party.
The only time he showed any passion was when he was lying.
And we are looking to a forever 33% of selfish horrible right-wing finger jabbing pricks, who are knee deep in the blood of others, to come to their senses, and become decent?
It is like a episode of Hammer house of horror.
But yeah let's sack 90 thousand civil servants, its what Thatcher would have done.. that'll make everything fine.

So the govt continuing to play the hits and today will cut 90,000 civil servants.

Won't happen and we'll actually have to hire way more in the customs agents so we can finally start checking EU goods.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 7:27 am So the govt continuing to play the hits and today will cut 90,000 civil servants.

Won't happen and we'll actually have to hire way more in the customs agents so we can finally start checking EU goods.

Its a joke announcement, the bumblecunt grandstanding again,they cant do it without severely fucking up lots of critical services, recruitment freeze will undoiubtedly happen, but thats about it.

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 7:29 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 7:27 am So the govt continuing to play the hits and today will cut 90,000 civil servants.

Won't happen and we'll actually have to hire way more in the customs agents so we can finally start checking EU goods.

Its a joke announcement, the bumblecunt grandstanding again,they cant do it without severely fucking up lots of critical services, recruitment freeze will undoiubtedly happen, but thats about it.

It does, however, play well with their idiotic base.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 6:28 am
But yeah let's sack 90 thousand civil servants, its what Thatcher would have done.. that'll make everything fine.

They actually did get rid of many tiers of civil servants back then, and what happened was they found they had lost thousands of "man-years" of experience and knowledge, so they had to buy in consultants at private sector prices.

They are fiscally incompetent, no other description.