So, coronavirus...

[fishfoodie]

Hotel quarantining about to be applied for "at risk" countries- SA, Portugal, Brazil. Grant Schaps appears to have talked BoJo down from all countries

Seems like a decent compromise; (& cogging the Irish Governments notes )

They could also couple it with doing a sample of testing for those in quarantine; to confirm there isn't any systematic cheating of pre-flight tests, & that these tests are reliable. They could also change this sampling based on where the passenger is coming from; & what type their pre-flight test was, etc, etc.

Most if that is already in the rules. Preflight tests have to be inside 72 hours, have to be PCR, and have to be at UK approved centres that confirm identity on the test certificate.

I'm of 2 minds as to the hotel quarantine. I hadn't realised just how much gpobal NGO charity would be impacted, and if you made the exception just how hard it would be to define the cutoff between.

While I understand the conflict that the idea of a, 'covid passport', brings; there should surely be some pragmatism as to whether or not such a solution, for those who legitimately need to still be traveling, could benefit from such an approach ?

Who knows; it might actually be the first question where the answer actually is; .... blockchain

[Saint]

Seems like a decent compromise; (& cogging the Irish Governments notes )

They could also couple it with doing a sample of testing for those in quarantine; to confirm there isn't any systematic cheating of pre-flight tests, & that these tests are reliable. They could also change this sampling based on where the passenger is coming from; & what type their pre-flight test was, etc, etc.

Most if that is already in the rules. Preflight tests have to be inside 72 hours, have to be PCR, and have to be at UK approved centres that confirm identity on the test certificate.

I'm of 2 minds as to the hotel quarantine. I hadn't realised just how much gpobal NGO charity would be impacted, and if you made the exception just how hard it would be to define the cutoff between.

While I understand the conflict that the idea of a, 'covid passport', brings; there should surely be some pragmatism as to whether or not such a solution, for those who legitimately need to still be traveling, could benefit from such an approach ?

Who knows; it might actually be the first question where the answer actually is; .... blockchain

The single biggest challenge is that it requires global agreement. Good luck

[fishfoodie]

Most if that is already in the rules. Preflight tests have to be inside 72 hours, have to be PCR, and have to be at UK approved centres that confirm identity on the test certificate.

I'm of 2 minds as to the hotel quarantine. I hadn't realised just how much gpobal NGO charity would be impacted, and if you made the exception just how hard it would be to define the cutoff between.

While I understand the conflict that the idea of a, 'covid passport', brings; there should surely be some pragmatism as to whether or not such a solution, for those who legitimately need to still be traveling, could benefit from such an approach ?

Who knows; it might actually be the first question where the answer actually is; .... blockchain

The single biggest challenge is that it requires global agreement. Good luck

simples !

Just call it the 'trumpisauselesslosercunt' passport, & every Country will sign up to be part of spreading the good word

[Lobby]

AZ UK supply chain is limited enough that it can't meet UK requirements.

Everywhere globally is running into all sorts of challenges. In Brazil they've run out of needles and are running short on syringes

That being the case; they would just need to demonstrate to the EU, that they are scaling down everyone's orders proportionally; & will scale them back up again, as the supply problems ease.

Unless its specified in their contract that they have to do this then I would disagree - particularly if the problem is with specific vaccine production sites.

The Advanced Purchase Agreement (APA) between the EU and Curevac for the supply of vaccines is available in redacted format online. If the EU's APA with AZ is similar (and it is reasonable to think it will be) the agreement allows for reduced or even no supply if there are supply problems. Relevant recital here:



If this is the case, the EU's legal case against AZ would appear to be rather thin.

[Raggs]

That being the case; they would just need to demonstrate to the EU, that they are scaling down everyone's orders proportionally; & will scale them back up again, as the supply problems ease.

Unless its specified in their contract that they have to do this then I would disagree - particularly if the problem is with specific vaccine production sites.

The Advanced Purchase Agreement (APA) between the EU and Curevac for the supply of vaccines is available in redacted format online. If the EU's APA with AZ is similar (and it is reasonable to think it will be) the agreement allows for reduced or even no supply if there are supply problems. Relevant recital here:



If this is the case, the EU's legal case against AZ would appear to be rather thin.

If what we've heard over the EU not ordering a great deal of it, because they also wanted to buy the French produced one, despite it being further behind in testing etc, along with that agreement, is all true, then I suspect they're just lashing out to look good but nothing will actually come of it.

[dpedin]

Anyone know if a vaccine is being tested for under 16 year olds? I dont think the current vaccines have been approved for the u16s so we need something, hopefully soon?

[Margin__Walker]

A German newspaper is claiming that the AZ vaccine is only 8% effective in over 65s. This claim is not sourced however.

Sincerly hope this is wrong

Panic over. Nice one Bild

[tc27]

A German newspaper is claiming that the AZ vaccine is only 8% effective in over 65s. This claim is not sourced however.

Sincerly hope this is wrong

Panic over. Nice one Bild

I mean if your going to maliciously brief journalists against a vaccine at least try not to do it based on a basic misreading of the testing information.

[PCPhil]

Well on the latest stats not only we have the most deaths in Europe but we have pulled ahead of Italy in deaths/million population. San Marino might be a stretch too far for us but I’m sure Boris will be optimistic.

BTW has the fat slug announced any plans to free up for a few days over Valentines day?

I wasn't actually being serious when I posted this comment. You can't do parody any more.

[tc27]

Well on the latest stats not only we have the most deaths in Europe but we have pulled ahead of Italy in deaths/million population. San Marino might be a stretch too far for us but I’m sure Boris will be optimistic.

BTW has the fat slug announced any plans to free up for a few days over Valentines day?

I wasn't actually being serious when I posted this comment. You can't do parody any more.

The same idiotic cadre of Tory MPs who insisted on the most ideologically pure Brexit that's now hammering SME exporters is insisting we open everything up ASAP.

Its infuriating.

[Biffer]

A German newspaper is claiming that the AZ vaccine is only 8% effective in over 65s. This claim is not sourced however.

Sincerly hope this is wrong

Panic over. Nice one Bild

Problem is, anti vax loonies will now be pointing at this over and over again as proof. And the backing down will be seen as 'big pharma influence'

[Margin__Walker]

Yep. Incredibly irresponsible to publish something like that. The Anti Vax narrative writes itself.

[Saint]

Anyone know if a vaccine is being tested for under 16 year olds? I dont think the current vaccines have been approved for the u16s so we need something, hopefully soon?

They;ve completed Phase I/II for both Pfizer and AZ. Phase III about to start

[tc27]

I dislike Peston but this is an interesting thread on the whole AZ/EU issue.

[Saint]

I dislike Peston but this is an interesting thread on the whole AZ/EU issue.

This very much as the feeling of something created by the EU to deflect from their own issues. The fact that they;re refusing to even acknowledge that their are supply shortages for UK production, and the same for Australia and other countries does make it feel "manufactured"

[The Druid]

What the hell?

BRUSSELS/VILNIUS (Reuters) - AstraZeneca has offered to bring forward some deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union while the bloc has asked the British drugmaker if it can divert doses from the UK to make up for a shortfall in supplies, European officials told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

[Saint]

What the hell?

BRUSSELS/VILNIUS (Reuters) - AstraZeneca has offered to bring forward some deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union while the bloc has asked the British drugmaker if it can divert doses from the UK to make up for a shortfall in supplies, European officials told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

They're bonkers. How about we request that Pfizer and AstraZeneca divert their EU supplies to the UK to make up for the shortfalls in delivering to the UK? Both are already under-delivering in the UK as it is.

[tabascoboy]

What the hell?

BRUSSELS/VILNIUS (Reuters) - AstraZeneca has offered to bring forward some deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union while the bloc has asked the British drugmaker if it can divert doses from the UK to make up for a shortfall in supplies, European officials told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

Large bloc has more muscle than go-it-alone single nation shock...?

[Biffer]

What the hell?

BRUSSELS/VILNIUS (Reuters) - AstraZeneca has offered to bring forward some deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union while the bloc has asked the British drugmaker if it can divert doses from the UK to make up for a shortfall in supplies, European officials told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

Pretty sure they will get told to eff off.

[The Druid]

What the hell?

BRUSSELS/VILNIUS (Reuters) - AstraZeneca has offered to bring forward some deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union while the bloc has asked the British drugmaker if it can divert doses from the UK to make up for a shortfall in supplies, European officials told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

Large bloc has more muscle than go-it-alone single nation shock...?

The EU has not even approved the AstraZeneca vaccine yet.

[Sandstorm]

What the hell?



https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29V16X

Large bloc has more muscle than go-it-alone single nation shock...?

The EU has not even approved the AstraZeneca vaccine yet.

Yup. French vaccine supplier will go apeshit!

[Lobby]

Large bloc has more muscle than go-it-alone single nation shock...?

The EU has not even approved the AstraZeneca vaccine yet.

Yup. French vaccine supplier will go apeshit!

France's Pasteur Institute said on Monday it was ending development of a Covid-19 vaccine with US pharmaceutical company Merck after clinical trial results proved disappointing.

The partners announced a tie-up last May to develop a jab based on an existing measles vaccine, which was put into Phase 1 clinical trials in August.

"In these first human trials, the prospective vaccine was well tolerated but produced immune responses that were inferior to those observed in people who had recovered naturally and to those observed in the authorised vaccines," a statement from Pasteur Institute said.

The announcement is a further blow for hopes of a French-led vaccine following recent news that leading national pharmaceutical company Sanofi is also struggling to bring its vaccine candidate to market.

Sanofi announced in December that its jab would be ready by the end of 2021 at best, and the group is now being encouraged by the government to help produce rival vaccines that have already been authorised for use in Europe.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ne-project

[Saint]

The EU has not even approved the AstraZeneca vaccine yet.

Yup. French vaccine supplier will go apeshit!

France's Pasteur Institute said on Monday it was ending development of a Covid-19 vaccine with US pharmaceutical company Merck after clinical trial results proved disappointing.

The partners announced a tie-up last May to develop a jab based on an existing measles vaccine, which was put into Phase 1 clinical trials in August.

"In these first human trials, the prospective vaccine was well tolerated but produced immune responses that were inferior to those observed in people who had recovered naturally and to those observed in the authorised vaccines," a statement from Pasteur Institute said.

The announcement is a further blow for hopes of a French-led vaccine following recent news that leading national pharmaceutical company Sanofi is also struggling to bring its vaccine candidate to market.

Sanofi announced in December that its jab would be ready by the end of 2021 at best, and the group is now being encouraged by the government to help produce rival vaccines that have already been authorised for use in Europe.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ne-project

It's not clear that Sanofi's manufacturing plants can produce AZ as it's a different technology to what they do. They also don't have any mRNA manufacturing capability of their own

[tc27]

Slow for a Monday but a lot of reporting lag going on so probably better to look at the 7 day rolling average 369,536 (10% of the population vaccinated at least once).

[Insane_Homer]

#DailyCovidUpdate | 26th January 2021

- Cases: 3,689,746 (+20,089)
- Average Cases: 31,842.57

- Deaths (28-day): 100,162 (+1,631)
- Deaths (60-day): 109,255 (+1,756)
- Average Deaths: 1,241.71

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 6,853,327 (+279,757)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 472,446 (+1,968) https://t.co/2Gi9HwAMOY

[Saint]

Slow for a Monday but a lot of reporting lag going on so probably better to look at the 7 day rolling average 369,536 (10% of the population vaccinated at least once).

UK total 281K vs 204K last week - it's actually a significant step up.

I am wondering though about the reporting - this is the date when the vaccine was registered as opposed to delivered. It seems unlikely that a Saturday is actually the day when most delivery took place, but I could easily believe that that was when some of the vaccination centres caught up on their reporting

[Lobby]

Yup. French vaccine supplier will go apeshit!

France's Pasteur Institute said on Monday it was ending development of a Covid-19 vaccine with US pharmaceutical company Merck after clinical trial results proved disappointing.

The partners announced a tie-up last May to develop a jab based on an existing measles vaccine, which was put into Phase 1 clinical trials in August.

"In these first human trials, the prospective vaccine was well tolerated but produced immune responses that were inferior to those observed in people who had recovered naturally and to those observed in the authorised vaccines," a statement from Pasteur Institute said.

The announcement is a further blow for hopes of a French-led vaccine following recent news that leading national pharmaceutical company Sanofi is also struggling to bring its vaccine candidate to market.

Sanofi announced in December that its jab would be ready by the end of 2021 at best, and the group is now being encouraged by the government to help produce rival vaccines that have already been authorised for use in Europe.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ne-project

It's not clear that Sanofi's manufacturing plants can produce AZ as it's a different technology to what they do. They also don't have any mRNA manufacturing capability of their own

Mutti’s obviously had a word with Macron

PARIS (Reuters) - French pharma giant Sanofi will produce more than 100 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by its competitors Pfizer and BioNTech by the end of the year, CEO Paul Hudson told Le Figaro newspaper in an interview published on Tuesday.

As Sanofi and its British partner GlaxoSmithKline have delayed the launch of their shot to late 2021, the French company decided to approach Pfizer “in order to be helpful as of now”, Hudson said, adding that an agreement with the U.S. company had been reached.

As it will take the rest of the year for Sanofi to get up to speed, this won’t help the EU improve its current level of vaccinations.

[Openside]

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

You're going to need to back that statement up with some actual facts.

It’s from the Retired Middle Class Morons with Money Facebook page.

ooh get you

Softie's got a WhatsApp group you might like to join

[Openside]

A German newspaper is claiming that the AZ vaccine is only 8% effective in over 65s. This claim is not sourced however.

Sincerly hope this is wrong

Panic over. Nice one Bild

Thats is breathtakingly sloppy journalism.

[dpedin]

#DailyCovidUpdate | 26th January 2021

- Cases: 3,689,746 (+20,089)
- Average Cases: 31,842.57

- Deaths (28-day): 100,162 (+1,631)
- Deaths (60-day): 109,255 (+1,756)
- Average Deaths: 1,241.71

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 6,853,327 (+279,757)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 472,446 (+1,968) https://t.co/2Gi9HwAMOY

So just the 100,00+ deaths then! Even allowing for different counting methods we have one of the worst death rates in the world, despite being one of the richest countries in the world. This can't be explained away by any other factor that the absolute failure of this shitty Gov and their shitshow attempt in trying to manage their way through a pandemic. A complete failure and no matter what they do with the vaccine roll out, and thank feck they have given that to the NHS to deliver, they will never bring back 100,000+ souls. Heard a scientist say that on average each person who died lost about 10 years of life ... 1,000,000 years of life wasted on the back of Blonde Bumblecunts and his Brexit Ultras incompetence. Feckin furious!

[Marylandolorian]

dpedin, I agree, it has been shameful the way that yours and most governments handled this pandemic, they were incompetent, lying, or/and didn’t care, but the way people are behaving since last summer is behind comprehension , they should be blamed also.

[Sandstorm]

dpedin, I agree, it has been shameful the way that yours and most governments handled this pandemic, they were incompetent, lying, or/and didn’t care, but the way people are behaving since last summer is behind comprehension , they should be blamed also.

People are dumb, selfish animals. They need a strong hand in times of crisis to do the right thing. This Govt and all the others in Europe are just too soft.

[Raggs]

Germany demanding that the EU block all export of covid vaccines, so that the EU can get it's fair share...

[dpedin]

dpedin, I agree, it has been shameful the way that yours and most governments handled this pandemic, they were incompetent, lying, or/and didn’t care, but the way people are behaving since last summer is behind comprehension , they should be blamed also.

Don't disagree but one deserves the other. From our PM in March 19 saying he was visiting in hospital shaking folks hands despite covid19 warnings to letting Cheltenham Festival go ahead to keep Hancocks mates happy to the Barnard Castle 400 mile 'eye test' drive by the twat Cummings to the schools being told to return for one day after New Year then sent home again the leadership and messaging from this bunch of buffoons has been awful. Folk have just given up on what the Blonde Bumblecunt and the incompetent twats say now.

[TheNatalShark]

Interesting interview with CEO of AZ.

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/ ... 284349628/

Not sure what the whole "17% of global production for 5% pop for Europe" is about, given significant chunks of the global pop won't be ordering from AZ & its partners, and Europe has a significantly larger share of older people vs the 3rd world that would even consume/be eligible for the vaccine. Always makes me weary when someone with an already strong case feels the need to insert seemingly disingenuous bits of (mis)information. Maybe there was something missing in elaboration or I misinterpreted.

[Margin__Walker]

Yeah read that earlier. Thought this was interesting with respect to initial one dose of AZ

Given the fact that a lot of countries have high hopes on the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine but now there are supply problems, does it makes sense for EU countries to give a second thought to one-dose strategy that the UK is using?
“I think the UK one-dose strategy is absolutely the right way to go, at least for our vaccine. I cannot comment about the Pfizer vaccine, whose studies are for a three-week interval. In our case, the trial we're talking about was conducted by Oxford University. We AZ are conducting the US trial, which we think is going to be ready very soon. Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier. We are going to do a study in the US and globally to use two-month dose interval to confirm that this is indeed the case, there are many reasons to believe it is the case with our vaccine. We have a different technology. First of all, when you look at level of antibody production, this is higher if you give the second dose three months or two months later, than one month later. And also, if you look at Ebola, its vaccine, which is also using the Adenoviral vector like the Covid one, the second dose needs to be given eight weeks later. Finally, the J&J vaccine with Adenoviral vector also are performing studies on a two-month interval. And J&J has the same technology as ours. Therefore, for our vaccine, there is no doubt in my mind that the way the UK is going is the best way, because right now you have a limited amount of vaccine, but also you have a limited number of doctors and nurses able to inject people. So you maximize the number of people who get one dose. You give them enough protection for two or three months, then you give them the second dose after 3 months. By March, the UK will have vaccinated maybe 28 or 30 million people. The Prime Minister has a goal to vaccinate 15 million people by mid-February, and they're already at 6,5 million. So they will get there".

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Interesting interview with CEO of AZ.

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/ ... 284349628/

Not sure what the whole "17% of global production for 5% pop for Europe" is about, given significant chunks of the global pop won't be ordering from AZ & its partners, and Europe has a significantly larger share of older people vs the 3rd world that would even consume/be eligible for the vaccine. Always makes me weary when someone with an already strong case feels the need to insert seemingly disingenuous bits of (mis)information. Maybe there was something missing in elaboration or I misinterpreted.

That's a very thorough interview.

[Glaston]

Germany demanding that the EU block all export of covid vaccines, so that the EU can get it's fair share...

As the head of AstraZeneca pointed out, EU Has ordered 17% of the Worlds supply for just 5% of the Worlds population.

Fair shares LOL

[Happyhooker]

dpedin, I agree, it has been shameful the way that yours and most governments handled this pandemic, they were incompetent, lying, or/and didn’t care, but the way people are behaving since last summer is behind comprehension , they should be blamed also.

i see where you're coming from, but disagree. the first lockdown came too late, but when it came the public compliance was pretty high, despite the government's shillyshallying in the run up; 'don't go to pubs, but we're not shutting pubs, go to cheltenham etc etc.

they then lost public confidence with a series of bullshit stuff that has been done to death, but then were relaxing the rules but still contradicting themselves - gove for instance getting the restrictions completely wrong.

without clear and strict guidance the general population didn't know how to behave. there's always going to be some dickheads that break the rules, but until recently the fines were no more than a slap on the wrist really.

and then johnson's shite today about taking full responsibility. twaddle

anyway, i said i wouldn't get drawn into any of this or the brexit bollocks if i came back on here, so cya

[Happyhooker]

Interesting interview with CEO of AZ.

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/ ... 284349628/

Not sure what the whole "17% of global production for 5% pop for Europe" is about, given significant chunks of the global pop won't be ordering from AZ & its partners, and Europe has a significantly larger share of older people vs the 3rd world that would even consume/be eligible for the vaccine. Always makes me weary when someone with an already strong case feels the need to insert seemingly disingenuous bits of (mis)information. Maybe there was something missing in elaboration or I misinterpreted.

That's a very thorough interview.

a journalist friend of mine was very approving about the space they gave it