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Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:10 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... tries-45tn

Hoarding Covid vaccines 'could cost wealthy countries $4.5tn'
Study suggests vaccinating poorer countries an economic as well as moral imperative

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:11 pm**

Very unedifying to see the rich countries squabbling over their vaccine hoard, while the third world gets fuckall.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:50 pm**

#DailyCovidUpdate | 27th January 2021

- Cases: 3,715,054 (+25,308)
- Average Cases: 29,900.14

- Deaths (28-day): 101,887 (+1,725)
- Deaths (60-day): 111,158 (+1,903)
- Average Deaths: 1,228.14

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 7,164,387 (+311,060)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 474,156 (+1,710) https://t.co/E3vfH8QNng

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:38 pm**

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:55 pm**

Use of parasite medication to treat coronavirus patients approved in Slovakia

The Health Ministry approved the therapeutic use of Ivermectin for six months.
Health Minister Marek Krajčí

Ivermectin, a medication used to treat many types of parasite infestations, can now be used to treat coronavirus patients in hospitals and obtained from pharmacies with a prescription.

The Health Ministry approved the therapeutic use of this medication for six months. It will be used with other treatments, its spokesperson Zuzana Eliášová said, as reported by the TASR newswire

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm**

Hydroxychloroquine was approved too. Didn't mean it worked. Just meant that suddenly a load of people who actually needed struggled to get hold of it. So even if it didn't help kill of covid patients, it didn't help them, may have prevented them getting actually useful treatment, and definitely stopped others who did need it, from getting it.

I'm putting Denny on ignore now. Someone quote him if he actually ever responds to a question.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:06 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm Hydroxychloroquine was approved too. Didn't mean it worked. Just meant that suddenly a load of people who actually needed struggled to get hold of it. So even if it didn't help kill of covid patients, it didn't help them, may have prevented them getting actually useful treatment, and definitely stopped others who did need it, from getting it.

I'm putting Denny on ignore now. Someone quote him if he actually ever responds to a question.

Its now approved in South Africa. In the absence of vaccines and hospital beds, many doctors are taking a gamble.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:59 am**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:35 pm Arguing about the different Covid strategies between the 4 UK countries is stupid. There's barely a fag paper between them and they're all at the very bottom of a very deep pit of incompetence anyway.

Yes it's really quite something to watch. The amount of semantic gymnastics deployed to try to deflect and deny the obvious is staggering.
High level criminality and incompetence from Gov and low cuntish behaviour from the people.

Face it. You are not who you think you are.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:15 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:11 pm Very unedifying to see the rich countries squabbling over their vaccine hoard, while the third world gets fuckall.

Cry me a river. Perhaps if the third world learned how to organise a root in a brothel rather then rip the brothel off you might be in a better position to acquire the vaccines yourself.

Rather then looking for handouts and crying about it perhaps institute a general public course that covers, law, ethics, civic duty, corruption......
If you do that you might have a chance, but I doubt it TIA......

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:59 am**

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Green light echo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:15 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:11 pm Very unedifying to see the rich countries squabbling over their vaccine hoard, while the third world gets fuckall.

Cry me a river. Perhaps if the third world learned how to organise a root in a brothel rather then rip the brothel off you might be in a better position to acquire the vaccines yourself.

Rather then looking for handouts and crying about it perhaps institute a general public course that covers, law, ethics, civic duty, corruption......
If you do that you might have a chance, but I doubt it TIA......
Oh look! It's Greentard Echo Special Olympian.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:51 am**

add this to the Tory Scum thread

COVID-19: Tory MP Sir Desmond Swayne urged anti-vaxxers to 'persist' against COVID restrictions
Sir Desmond Swayne tells Sky News he won't apologise for telling a group to continue their campaign against COVID restrictions.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:16 pm**

Here's some good news!!

Friend's mum is in a Care Home on South Coast. 30 residents all had the first AZ jab early Jan. On (I think) 20 Jan a couple of staff and 4 elderly residents tested positive for Covid. After a week of mild symptoms the 4 residents are all well again (one of whom is in her 90s and very frail). A further test yesterday showed them all as negative.

The AZ vaccine works, even after just 1 jab!!!

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:39 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:16 pm Here's some good news!!

Friend's mum is in a Care Home on South Coast. 30 residents all had the first AZ jab early Jan. On (I think) 20 Jan a couple of staff and 4 elderly residents tested positive for Covid. After a week of mild symptoms the 4 residents are all well again (one of whom is in her 90s and very frail). A further test yesterday showed them all as negative.

The AZ vaccine works, even after just 1 jab!!!

That is fantastic news! Just need my vaccine now. Mate and his wife, both mid 60s, in NI got appt for jab for next week.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:57 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:16 pm Here's some good news!!

Friend's mum is in a Care Home on South Coast. 30 residents all had the first AZ jab early Jan. On (I think) 20 Jan a couple of staff and 4 elderly residents tested positive for Covid. After a week of mild symptoms the 4 residents are all well again (one of whom is in her 90s and very frail). A further test yesterday showed them all as negative.

The AZ vaccine works, even after just 1 jab!!!

That is good. All of the concentration on the 90%/95%/70% effectiveness numbers in the reporting on the clinical trials meant that the fact that all three seemed to prevent near 100% of serious disease and hospitalisation wasn't given much attention.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:38 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:16 pm Here's some good news!!

Friend's mum is in a Care Home on South Coast. 30 residents all had the first AZ jab early Jan. On (I think) 20 Jan a couple of staff and 4 elderly residents tested positive for Covid. After a week of mild symptoms the 4 residents are all well again (one of whom is in her 90s and very frail). A further test yesterday showed them all as negative.

The AZ vaccine works, even after just 1 jab!!!

That great news in light of the German regulator saying their not enough data to approve AZ for over 65s...I guess the UK will be able to produce cohort data on this very soon.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:48 pm**

Meanwhile in Europe....

The EU has sent officials into the Belgian AZ plant to inspect records

And there are increasing demands to block export of Pfizer to non-EU countries. That could backfire rather spectacularly, as there's a key component of Pfizer that is manufactured in precisely two locations in the world. One is in the US and is supplying Pfizer's US operations. Care to guess where the other is?

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:52 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:48 pm Meanwhile in Europe....

The EU has sent officials into the Belgian AZ plant to inspect records

And there are increasing demands to block export of Pfizer to non-EU countries. That could backfire rather spectacularly, as there's a key component of Pfizer that is manufactured in precisely two locations in the world. One is in the US and is supplying Pfizer's US operations. Care to guess where the other is?

Is it the same place that the EU is trying to get more of the vaccine from, despite that place having it's own order in place (much earlier too).

EDIT - The single dose J&J vaccine is of great interest to me, supposedly approval could be coming rather soon, and if there's a lot of doses delivered quickly, that'll be a huge boost.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:56 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:52 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:48 pm Meanwhile in Europe....

The EU has sent officials into the Belgian AZ plant to inspect records

And there are increasing demands to block export of Pfizer to non-EU countries. That could backfire rather spectacularly, as there's a key component of Pfizer that is manufactured in precisely two locations in the world. One is in the US and is supplying Pfizer's US operations. Care to guess where the other is?
Is it the same place that the EU is trying to get more of the vaccine from, despite that place having it's own order in place (much earlier too).

EDIT - The single dose J&J vaccine is of great interest to me, supposedly approval could be coming rather soon, and if there's a lot of doses delivered quickly, that'll be a huge boost.

East Yorkshire to be exact.

Novovax is expected soon as well, again with UK manufacturing

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm**

282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:26 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm 282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery

We were warned to expect exactly that by the suppliers.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:28 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:36 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:26 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm 282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery
We were warned to expect exactly that by the suppliers.

Yep. Alternatively the UK gov is deliberately understating the numbers so as to not further antagonise the EU. On the positive side, a whole bunch a large centres opened this week so they'll be getting their processes nailed down with a relatively low throughput. Hopefully will allow them to scale up very quickly when the tap's turned on again

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:45 pm**

In my area:

As of January 24, only 173,684 people in the county had received their first dose of the vaccine.

This is only about 40% of the total number that must receive the jab, if the government's goal of vaccinating the top four priority groups is to be met by February 15.

New figures released this afternoon reveal nearly another 240,000 people must receive jabs in the next 18 days if the government is to meet its target of vaccinating all those eligible by mid-February.

Well we did start a bit late and seem a bit short of vaccination centres compared to some other regions. As long as supply holds up though it should be achievable.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:09 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:45 pm In my area:

As of January 24, only 173,684 people in the county had received their first dose of the vaccine.

This is only about 40% of the total number that must receive the jab, if the government's goal of vaccinating the top four priority groups is to be met by February 15.

New figures released this afternoon reveal nearly another 240,000 people must receive jabs in the next 18 days if the government is to meet its target of vaccinating all those eligible by mid-February.
Well we did start a bit late and seem a bit short of vaccination centres compared to some other regions. As long as supply holds up though it should be achievable.

It's going to be all about supply now. It's clear that we have capacity

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:55 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm 282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery

Caveat - no numbers reported from Scotland.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:56 pm**

Yes, supply could be a problem, it seems that the EU is trying very hard to pull our trousers down.

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:58 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:55 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm 282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery
Caveat - no numbers reported from Scotland.

So maybe 25k short or so. But miles under performing now

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:10 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:58 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:55 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:22 pm 282K doses delivered yesterday, which really is way down. It looks clear that the advertised shortfall from AstraZeneca and Pfizer is impacting delivery
Caveat - no numbers reported from Scotland.

So maybe 25k short or so. But miles under performing now

Hancock’s fault almost certainly

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:32 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:10 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:58 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:55 pm

Caveat - no numbers reported from Scotland.

So maybe 25k short or so. But miles under performing now
Hancock’s fault almost certainly

It's actually annoying. The one part of this whole fiasco we actually get right and we can't get enough vials

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:43 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:32 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:10 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:58 pm

So maybe 25k short or so. But miles under performing now
Hancock’s fault almost certainly
It's actually annoying. The one part of this whole fiasco we actually get right and we can't get enough vials

Patience mate

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:33 pm**

This looks very promising news. Uk has secured 60M doses and will be manufactured in Teeside apparently.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29X2WU

A new coronavirus vaccine has been shown to be 89.3% effective against the disease in large-scale UK trials.

The BBC's medical editor Fergus Walsh said the Novavax vaccine is the first to show it is effective against the new more contagious 'Kent' variant of the virus discovered in the UK.

Boris Johnson welcomed the "good news" and said the UK's medicines regulator would now assess the jab.

The UK has secured 60m doses of the jab, which will be made in Teeside.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55850352

Posted: **Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:47 pm**

The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:33 pm This looks very promising news. Uk has secured 60M doses and will be manufactured in Teeside apparently.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29X2WU

A new coronavirus vaccine has been shown to be 89.3% effective against the disease in large-scale UK trials.

The BBC's medical editor Fergus Walsh said the Novavax vaccine is the first to show it is effective against the new more contagious 'Kent' variant of the virus discovered in the UK.

Boris Johnson welcomed the "good news" and said the UK's medicines regulator would now assess the jab.

The UK has secured 60m doses of the jab, which will be made in Teeside.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55850352

Phase 2b in SA shows efficacy against the SA variant as well - and given that everything is still targeting the same spike, it's looking increasingly likely that all vaccines will work against all current variants. Timescales for production still up in the air.

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:15 am**

EU - AZ contract published now, for all the speculation

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... /ip_21_302

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:22 am**

To me, as a complete dunce with this sort of thing:

WHEREAS, as part of that scale-up, AstraZeneca has committed to use its Best
Reasonable Efforts (as defined below) to build capacity to manufacture 300 million Doses of
the Vaccine, at no profit and no loss to AstraZeneca, at the total cost currently estimated to be
Euros for distribution within the EU (the “Initial
Europe Doses”), with an option for the Commission, acting on behalf of the Participating
Member States, to order an additional 100 million Doses (the “Optional Doses”).

---------

That sounds like AZ will take the money EU paid them, and use it to scale up production. Which means the later they got the money, the harder it's going to be to get production upto level, and a first come first serve scale does apply, since the earlier you sign up, the more time AZ have got to get production upto spec?

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:24 am**

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:15 am EU - AZ contract published now, for all the speculation

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... /ip_21_302

All comes down to how you read 5.4

The EU obviously believe that that article entitles them to a share of vaccines produced in the UK. My read is that it allows AZ to supply the EU from UK factories without the need to inform the EU of source (whereas production from outside the EU requires EU agreement)

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:48 am**

Having read some instant legal analysis on twitter, I suspect that the real problem is that this contract is written in English, and has not been fully or well translated on the EU side.

There's all sorts of clauses in there that allow for AZ prioritising other contracts over this one - 6.2 makes it explicitly clear that AZ prioritising another contract over the EU contract will not be deemed a breach

The whole point about 5.4 (which is the only direct mention of the UK production facilities) appears to be about agreeing that they will meet the standards expected of the EU, and that the CMOs of the EU27 would have to agree to any production facilities outside of the EU or UK

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:49 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:24 am
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:15 am EU - AZ contract published now, for all the speculation

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... /ip_21_302
All comes down to how you read 5.4

The EU obviously believe that that article entitles them to a share of vaccines produced in the UK. My read is that it allows AZ to supply the EU from UK factories without the need to inform the EU of source (whereas production from outside the EU requires EU agreement)

Not a lawyer or even enjoy reading contracts, so won't pretend to add anything of value.

I'm just concerned that the aggressive stance the EU appears to have taken may result in impact of UK deliveries, whether justified or not, as it will likely be used as a comparative as to what AZ's best efforts actually entailed.

If we run into domestic production issues and need amicable solution with European production...

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:51 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:48 am Having read some instant legal analysis on twitter, I suspect that the real problem is that this contract is written in English, and has not been fully or well translated on the EU side.

There's all sorts of clauses in there that allow for AZ prioritising other contracts over this one - 6.2 makes it explicitly clear that AZ prioritising another contract over the EU contract will not be deemed a breach

The whole point about 5.4 (which is the only direct mention of the UK production facilities) appears to be about agreeing that they will meet the standards expected of the EU, and that the CMOs of the EU27 would have to agree to any production facilities outside of the EU or UK

The EU is built on laws and contracts, and does a huge amount of work in English. It's really, really unlikely that it's a translation problem.

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:52 am**

The EU realise they've completely fucked this and are trying to talk their way out of it aren't they? Kinda funny to be on the other side of this for a change...

Posted: **Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:55 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:51 am
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:48 am Having read some instant legal analysis on twitter, I suspect that the real problem is that this contract is written in English, and has not been fully or well translated on the EU side.

There's all sorts of clauses in there that allow for AZ prioritising other contracts over this one - 6.2 makes it explicitly clear that AZ prioritising another contract over the EU contract will not be deemed a breach

The whole point about 5.4 (which is the only direct mention of the UK production facilities) appears to be about agreeing that they will meet the standards expected of the EU, and that the CMOs of the EU27 would have to agree to any production facilities outside of the EU or UK
The EU is built on laws and contracts, and does a huge amount of work in English. It's really, really unlikely that it's a translation problem.

Quite, they seem to have run rings round our lawyers with the WA necessitating us having to threaten the EU with breaching it.

The EU is not coming out of this well, not sure if true but they have threatened stopping shipment of the Pfizer vaccine to the UK which would appear to be a spectacular own goal since I am led to believe an essential constituent part is only manufactured in the US and the UK.

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