NPR

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:45 pm Just, fuck sake.

We all knew this was going to happen and it doesn’t make it even slightly easier to take.

At least you had a nice afternoon

Play like today and Scotland are going to get destroyed by France and Ireland.

I know that’s an obvious thing to say.

After watching that Ireland try, and what can happen with a contested kick off, it made me wonder why Scotland always put kick offs so deep with no apparent intention of competing. No one else seems to do it.

Tattie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:50 pm Play like today and Scotland are going to get destroyed by France and Ireland.

I know that’s an obvious thing to say.

Isn’t the modern script that we now beat France and then hate ourselves for having an earlier slip

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:55 pm

Tattie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:50 pm Play like today and Scotland are going to get destroyed by France and Ireland.

I know that’s an obvious thing to say.

Isn’t the modern script that we now beat France and then hate ourselves for having an earlier slip

It is. But France will feel like they owe us for last March.

I think today emphasised the effect Ritchie has on the team. Proper leader, organiser and a shitebag at the breakdown.

So much wrong with that today.

Wales went into that game with absolute belief they would win. Every player on that team today comes from a generation that has only known domination over Scotland, and it showed.

Scotland in turn need to screw the fucking nut. Missed touch from penalties, kicks out of the full. How hard is it to pull Russell aside and say, every kick to touch you need to say ‘make your touch’ to yourself three times before you kick it. It’s absolutely fucking basic.

Massive error from Toonie today not having a passing 12 IMO, the midfield was aimless all game and it left Finn to try and be Hollywood every play.

The most infuriating thing about it was, I think you can win this tournament this year having lost a game. We will lose to at least one of Ireland or France. We couldn’t afford the loss to be against an utterly mediocre wales.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:04 pm So much wrong with that today.

Wales went into that game with absolute belief they would win. Every player on that team today comes from a generation that has only known domination over Scotland, and it showed.

Scotland in turn need to screw the fucking nut. Missed touch from penalties, kicks out of the full. How hard is it to pull Russell aside and say, every kick to touch you need to say ‘make your touch’ to yourself three times before you kick it. It’s absolutely fucking basic.

Massive error from Toonie today not having a passing 12 IMO, the midfield was aimless all game and it left Finn to try and be Hollywood every play.

The most infuriating thing about it was, I think you can win this tournament this year having lost a game. We will lose to at least one of Ireland or France. We couldn’t afford the loss to be against an utterly mediocre wales.

I don't think we can win having lost 1 without bonus points even if we snuck a win today. Our attack is so aimless that we don't look in any danger of scoring 4.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:04 pm So much wrong with that today.

Wales went into that game with absolute belief they would win. Every player on that team today comes from a generation that has only known domination over Scotland, and it showed.

Scotland in turn need to screw the fucking nut. Missed touch from penalties, kicks out of the full. How hard is it to pull Russell aside and say, every kick to touch you need to say ‘make your touch’ to yourself three times before you kick it. It’s absolutely fucking basic.

Massive error from Toonie today not having a passing 12 IMO, the midfield was aimless all game and it left Finn to try and be Hollywood every play.

The most infuriating thing about it was, I think you can win this tournament this year having lost a game. We will lose to at least one of Ireland or France. We couldn’t afford the loss to be against an utterly mediocre wales.

Tui at 12 definitely doesn’t work with Harris at 13, because there’s no one running lines for Russell. And let’s face it, you ain’t dropping Harris to get Tui in. Redpath looked good when he came on, another game for Bath next weekend and he’ll start against France.

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:07 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:04 pm So much wrong with that today.

Wales went into that game with absolute belief they would win. Every player on that team today comes from a generation that has only known domination over Scotland, and it showed.

Scotland in turn need to screw the fucking nut. Missed touch from penalties, kicks out of the full. How hard is it to pull Russell aside and say, every kick to touch you need to say ‘make your touch’ to yourself three times before you kick it. It’s absolutely fucking basic.

Massive error from Toonie today not having a passing 12 IMO, the midfield was aimless all game and it left Finn to try and be Hollywood every play.

The most infuriating thing about it was, I think you can win this tournament this year having lost a game. We will lose to at least one of Ireland or France. We couldn’t afford the loss to be against an utterly mediocre wales.

I don't think we can win having lost 1 without bonus points even if we snuck a win today. Our attack is so aimless that we don't look in any danger of scoring 4.

Indeed. Ireland put a TB on Wales without breaking a sweat.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:45 pm Just, fuck sake.

We all knew this was going to happen and it doesn’t make it even slightly easier to take.

At least you had a nice afternoon

Well, better than if I had watched it live anyway. Not sure whether I can face it now.

Someone said it earlier - this is entirely psychological. We believe we are going to beat England. We believe we are going to beat Australia. We even believe we are going to beat France. But we don’t believe we are going to beat Wales, home or away, and they do believe they are going to beat us. And so we lose to crap Welsh teams, over and over again, and the idea that we can’t beat them is cemented further in our heads.

Sadly, if we can’t win a game like this, we might as well face facts: this team, for all its talent, will never do anything special. One-off wins are as good as it’s going to get. Mainly because our heads aren’t right. Perhaps the reason Hogg looks so delighted when we win is that he expects us to lose.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:14 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:45 pm Just, fuck sake.

We all knew this was going to happen and it doesn’t make it even slightly easier to take.

At least you had a nice afternoon

Well, better than if I had watched it live anyway. Not sure whether I can face it now.

Someone said it earlier - this is entirely psychological. We believe we are going to beat England. We believe we are going to beat Australia. We even believe we are going to beat France. But we don’t believe we are going to beat Wales, home or away, and they do believe they are going to beat us. And so we lose to crap Welsh teams, over and over again, and the idea that we can’t beat them is cemented further in our heads.

Sadly, if we can’t win a game like this, we might as well face facts: this team, for all its talent, will never do anything special. One-off wins are as good as it’s going to get. Mainly because our heads aren’t right. Perhaps the reason Hogg looks so delighted when we win is that he expects us to lose.

I'm not sure it is just the players that have the issues in their heads.

There are 5 coaches involved and only 1 is coaching his part well based on the evidence.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:14 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:45 pm Just, fuck sake.

We all knew this was going to happen and it doesn’t make it even slightly easier to take.

At least you had a nice afternoon

Well, better than if I had watched it live anyway. Not sure whether I can face it now.

Someone said it earlier - this is entirely psychological. We believe we are going to beat England. We believe we are going to beat Australia. We even believe we are going to beat France. But we don’t believe we are going to beat Wales, home or away, and they do believe they are going to beat us. And so we lose to crap Welsh teams, over and over again, and the idea that we can’t beat them is cemented further in our heads.

Sadly, if we can’t win a game like this, we might as well face facts: this team, for all its talent, will never do anything special. One-off wins are as good as it’s going to get. Mainly because our heads aren’t right. Perhaps the reason Hogg looks so delighted when we win is that he expects us to lose.

Scotland aren't going to win the six nations because France and Ireland are class. But to lose to that Wales team, ffs. Just embarrassing.

I'm done with them now. Bottle merchants.

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I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:47 pm
Scotland aren't going to win the six nations….. ever

Fixed that for you

Well, Ireland losing has made me feel fractionally better as now they can’t get 4 Grand Slams this year. But that’s what is known as scant consolation.

FFS. There is plenty of talent in our team. Maybe not enough to win the 6N but certainly enough to be contenders. But we’re going to stumble to 4th or 5th place again and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. I can accept being edged out in a tight contest, but I can’t accept not turning up, which is what we do in Cardiff every 2 years.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:03 pm I think today emphasised the effect Ritchie has on the team. Proper leader, organiser and a shitebag at the breakdown.

We know that we lack on-field leadership. Hogg tries his best, but it’s hard captaining from FB. Russell offers the square root of sod all if he isn’t on his game. Ritchie is the only leader we have in the pack.

That was old-school shite from Scotland.

Panicky nonsense and poor in the breakdown.

But in a 3-point game, going down 6-0 early on while completely bossing the game is unforgivable. This was a game lost in the first seven minutes, I feel.

Apologies but by feck that was 4th and 5th choice Wales players and a totally unsettled team.

Wtaf? You deserved that

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:51 pm

Wtaf? You deserved that

Nope. They shat it. If there's a psychologist in the team they need sacked or they need to hire one. Discipline was non-existent.

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:51 pm Apologies but by feck that was 4th and 5th choice Wales players and a totally unsettled team.

Wtaf? You deserved that

Thanks for that insight now fuck off from this thread

Deveron Boy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:54 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:51 pm Apologies but by feck that was 4th and 5th choice Wales players and a totally unsettled team.

Wtaf? You deserved that

Thanks for that insight now fuck off from this thread

Ageeed

Ah, if appears I've misread that. Refrys wee brother. Fuckwit.

You wouldn’t mind so much if anything changed in between games. But it doesn’t. Sometimes we turn up and do well. Sometimes we totally don’t and we are hopeless. Sometimes we put in a patchy performance and the result is a toss-up.

Prior to the Toony era we hardly ever turned up properly against anyone (although it was improving a bit under VC), so that has improved. The other thing that has improved over the last few years is that we win some of the patchy games, whereas we used to lose all of them. What hasn’t improved at all is the second group. We still regularly put in at least one unacceptably poor performance in every 6N. We almost didn’t in 2021, but there was still the home game v Ireland which we could have won if our lineout hadn’t disintegrated.

As has been said before, we can handle losing, but not a lack of fight. That’s the difference between us and Ireland. Ireland turn up every time. They might not always win, but they will fight for every inch, every game. Scotland don’t, won’t or can’t. Every so often we simply look as if we’re not up for it, and put in a performance so embarrassingly half-arsed that it has us all raging.

10 years ago Scotland used to make elementary errors in every game, and I prayed that the SRU would employ a hard-as-nails coach who wouldn’t tolerate it. Maybe we did with VC, maybe not, but certainly things improved. But we have been unable to cut out the games where we just don’t perform at all. Telfer wouldn’t have put up with it and the team would have been to terrified to do it. I can’t see Townsend fixing it or he would have done it already.

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:29 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:14 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:47 pm

At least you had a nice afternoon

Well, better than if I had watched it live anyway. Not sure whether I can face it now.

Someone said it earlier - this is entirely psychological. We believe we are going to beat England. We believe we are going to beat Australia. We even believe we are going to beat France. But we don’t believe we are going to beat Wales, home or away, and they do believe they are going to beat us. And so we lose to crap Welsh teams, over and over again, and the idea that we can’t beat them is cemented further in our heads.

Sadly, if we can’t win a game like this, we might as well face facts: this team, for all its talent, will never do anything special. One-off wins are as good as it’s going to get. Mainly because our heads aren’t right. Perhaps the reason Hogg looks so delighted when we win is that he expects us to lose.

I'm not sure it is just the players that have the issues in their heads.

There are 5 coaches involved and only 1 is coaching his part well based on the evidence.

I assume you are alluding to Tandy, but if that’s the case why are we giving away soooo many penalties when defending? I’m not blaming anyone here by the way, but the most frustrating thing about today was that we have the best defence in the tournament, and they were shite, but instead of trusting the defence and soaking up their pressure we were forcing things. It’s so dumb

Can't blame Tandy for individual errors.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:57 pm Can't blame Tandy for individual errors.

Quite. And same goes for Toony, IMO.

I worded it very badly, I was trying to defend all the coaches from all the errors on the pitch

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:58 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:57 pm Can't blame Tandy for individual errors.

Quite. And same goes for Toony, IMO.

I worded it very badly, I was trying to defend all the coaches from all the errors on the pitch

Sorry mate, half pished with one eye on TV, the other eye on miltwitter and the other... eh... you ken what I mean.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:58 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:57 pm Can't blame Tandy for individual errors.

Quite. And same goes for Toony, IMO.

I worded it very badly, I was trying to defend all the coaches from all the errors on the pitch

Sorry mate, half pished with one eye on TV, the other eye on miltwitter and the other... eh... you ken what I mean.

Nah mate, even as I typed it I knew it was written badly.

Quite interested to know what a miltwitter is though

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:04 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:58 pm

Quite. And same goes for Toony, IMO.

I worded it very badly, I was trying to defend all the coaches from all the errors on the pitch

Sorry mate, half pished with one eye on TV, the other eye on miltwitter and the other... eh... you ken what I mean.

Nah mate, even as I typed it I knew it was written badly.

Quite interested to know what a miltwitter is though

Military twitter. Sounds nerdier than what it is. Although tbh looking more at the obvious in general.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:08 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:04 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:02 pm
Sorry mate, half pished with one eye on TV, the other eye on miltwitter and the other... eh... you ken what I mean.

Nah mate, even as I typed it I knew it was written badly.

Quite interested to know what a miltwitter is though

Military twitter. Sounds nerdier than what it is. Although tbh looking more at the obvious in general.

Not Milfs then? Ahh well

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:20 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:08 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:04 pm

Nah mate, even as I typed it I knew it was written badly.

Quite interested to know what a miltwitter is though

Military twitter. Sounds nerdier than what it is. Although tbh looking more at the obvious in general.

Not Milfs then? Ahh well

Sorry to disappoint

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:55 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:29 pm

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:14 pm

Well, better than if I had watched it live anyway. Not sure whether I can face it now.

Someone said it earlier - this is entirely psychological. We believe we are going to beat England. We believe we are going to beat Australia. We even believe we are going to beat France. But we don’t believe we are going to beat Wales, home or away, and they do believe they are going to beat us. And so we lose to crap Welsh teams, over and over again, and the idea that we can’t beat them is cemented further in our heads.

Sadly, if we can’t win a game like this, we might as well face facts: this team, for all its talent, will never do anything special. One-off wins are as good as it’s going to get. Mainly because our heads aren’t right. Perhaps the reason Hogg looks so delighted when we win is that he expects us to lose.

I'm not sure it is just the players that have the issues in their heads.

There are 5 coaches involved and only 1 is coaching his part well based on the evidence.

I assume you are alluding to Tandy, but if that’s the case why are we giving away soooo many penalties when defending? I’m not blaming anyone here by the way, but the most frustrating thing about today was that we have the best defence in the tournament, and they were shite, but instead of trusting the defence and soaking up their pressure we were forcing things. It’s so dumb

You can't unteach that little bit of their brain that goes to shit under pressure.

Particularly Fagerson and for whatever reason any Glasgow hooker playing for Scotland enjoy dull bullshit. That last Fagerson penalty was do mind numbingly dumb I'd be raging if it wasn't so unsurprising from him. Turner gave away a cheap off side in midfield 5-10min after coming on, then another silly penalty competing for the ball.

Gilchrist is bad for it at times too.

If our attacking game was looking sharp but guys kept dropping it then I wouldn't criticise AB Zondagh. However our attack has been woeful.

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:55 pm
You can't unteach that little bit of their brain that goes to shit under pressure.

I disagree. Confidence in yourself and your decisions can definitely be taught. It takes exposure to that pressurised environment and might take time but it can be done.

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:55 pm
If our attacking game was looking sharp but guys kept dropping it then I wouldn't criticise AB Zondagh. However our attack has been woeful.

I don't think it has, last week we took 14 points from terrific moves in a game we played on the back foot for a lot of the time. Today we scored a fantastic try and for the most part of the game when we had possession we looked really good, especially in the first half.
I thought that we looked the far more potent in attack than either team we've faced so far

The discipline has been woeful, not the attack

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:14 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:55 pm
If our attacking game was looking sharp but guys kept dropping it then I wouldn't criticise AB Zondagh. However our attack has been woeful.

I don't think it has, last week we took 14 points from terrific moves in a game we played on the back foot for a lot of the time. Today we scored a fantastic try and for the most part of the game when we had possession we looked really good, especially in the first half.
I thought that we looked the far more potent in attack than either team we've faced so far

The discipline has been woeful, not the attack

I’d agree with this in general, but today we looked blunt with the 12 we chose.

Sorry to bang on about it but I’m really quite annoyed by the selection

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:14 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:55 pm
If our attacking game was looking sharp but guys kept dropping it then I wouldn't criticise AB Zondagh. However our attack has been woeful.

I don't think it has, last week we took 14 points from terrific moves in a game we played on the back foot for a lot of the time. Today we scored a fantastic try and for the most part of the game when we had possession we looked really good, especially in the first half.
I thought that we looked the far more potent in attack than either team we've faced so far

The discipline has been woeful, not the attack

I’d agree with this in general, but today we looked blunt with the 12 we chose.

Sorry to bang on about it but I’m really quite annoyed by the selection

The 12, 6 and front row selections. All didn't work.

Why change a winning team?

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:14 pm


I don't think it has, last week we took 14 points from terrific moves in a game we played on the back foot for a lot of the time. Today we scored a fantastic try and for the most part of the game when we had possession we looked really good, especially in the first half.
I thought that we looked the far more potent in attack than either team we've faced so far

The discipline has been woeful, not the attack

I’d agree with this in general, but today we looked blunt with the 12 we chose.

Sorry to bang on about it but I’m really quite annoyed by the selection

The 12, 6 and front row selections. All didn't work.

Why change a winning team?

Totally agree on the front row as well. Was Skinner that bad though? Genuine question as I thought during the game he was putting himself about OK.

In saying that, it certainly showed how Richie has fairly quietly become integral to every we do well

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:14 pm


I don't think it has, last week we took 14 points from terrific moves in a game we played on the back foot for a lot of the time. Today we scored a fantastic try and for the most part of the game when we had possession we looked really good, especially in the first half.
I thought that we looked the far more potent in attack than either team we've faced so far

The discipline has been woeful, not the attack

I’d agree with this in general, but today we looked blunt with the 12 we chose.

Sorry to bang on about it but I’m really quite annoyed by the selection

The 12, 6 and front row selections. All didn't work.

Why change a winning team?

Well, at 6 he didn’t have much of a choice. But we have a number of players who can play 6, and to pick a guy who is primarily a lock didn’t sit right.

Honestly don’t know what the deal was at 12. Johnson hadn’t done a thing wrong, and Redpath is short of match practice.

I can sort of see what he was going for with the front row, but clearly it was a mistake.

Would also be keen to know what Cummings has done wrong