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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:30 am https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... strictions

On that first picture we all saw, Page 8:

At a table on the terrace, the Prime Minister, Martin Reynolds (his Principal Private
Secretary), and Dominic Cummings (his senior adviser) were continuing a lengthy
meeting that had started in the Prime Minister's office, before moving to the garden
at around 18.00. The Prime Minister brought cheese and wine from his flat

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:29 am Will the Bumblecunt be able to do a more convincing, apology, than the last one; where he convinced no-one, & more importantly, will he maintain the facade for his appearance at the 1922 meeting later on ?

The only important consideration is if the Tory MPs think they'll lose seats AND they think there's a viable successor in the party.

Not a single one believes any of his apologies. It's totally irrelevant to them.

The Gray Report is damning but tells us nothing new or what we didnt know already, it just adds more meat onto the bones. By now any honourable and honest PM would have resigned, the Blonde Bumblecunt is neither and will give it the metaphorical finger. He is a feckin disgrace ... but then again we all knew that before he became PM.

The Blonde Bumblecunt will need to be dragged screaming and shouting out of No10. A disgrace of a man with no morals or values who is happy to lie and prevaricate if it suits him and his paymasters. He is in too deep to get out now, it is going to end very very messily and we have still some way to go. Until his MPs realise they are out of a job if he stays they will sell their souls if it means they remain as MPs. Hopefully the forthcoming by elections will make them see what they need to do.

We are in a very dangerous place as a country now, our constitution is based on people in HoC being honourable and honest, take this away then our constitution crumbles away and is open to abuse and misuse. The Blonde Bumblecunt will stay in power as long as his right wing buddies in the press, the billionaire owners of big businesses and his Russian buddies find him a useful and pliable idiot at their bidding. To quote the great Scottish philosopher John Laurie ... 'We're all doomed, doomed I tell you'!

Another non-apology. apology

This is funny.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:50 am Another non-apology. apology

"I'm sorry we got found out" #subtext

Got to say I like Starmers line 'what was it about the Sue Gray report that first attracted the Prime Minister to a u turn on a windfall tax this week?'

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:52 am

This is funny.

It is beautiful. Perhaps it was an attempt to be inclusive and encourage those bullied staff members who had issues with parties to come out of their shell.

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:28 am The Gray Report is damning but tells us nothing new or what we didnt know already, it just adds more meat onto the bones. By now any honourable and honest PM would have resigned, the Blonde Bumblecunt is neither and will give it the metaphorical finger. He is a feckin disgrace ... but then again we all knew that before he became PM.

The Blonde Bumblecunt will need to be dragged screaming and shouting out of No10. A disgrace of a man with no morals or values who is happy to lie and prevaricate if it suits him and his paymasters. He is in too deep to get out now, it is going to end very very messily and we have still some way to go. Until his MPs realise they are out of a job if he stays they will sell their souls if it means they remain as MPs. Hopefully the forthcoming by elections will make them see what they need to do.

We are in a very dangerous place as a country now, our constitution is based on people in HoC being honourable and honest, take this away then our constitution crumbles away and is open to abuse and misuse. The Blonde Bumblecunt will stay in power as long as his right wing buddies in the press, the billionaire owners of big businesses and his Russian buddies find him a useful and pliable idiot at their bidding. To quote the great Scottish philosopher John Laurie ... 'We're all doomed, doomed I tell you'!

The Tories losing very soon and not by much, could be bad. Tories will be able to blame Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP/whoever, for the growing shit storm that's coming. The UK media and electorate would need to be more mature than both have shown themselves to be in that scenario, otherwise the Tories will use their new lies and excuses to con the gullible again and end up back in power very quickly. It's such a likely outcome that a small Tory defeat would mean a Tory majority again not long after, that any government which was formed would be mad not to change the UK electoral system to one which has a proportional component.

The "maximum Johnson" scenario is worth considering too, that he contests the next election two and half years from now (January 2025 I think is the latest it can be called) and wins another term with reduced majority.

The Tories have failed to reproduce themselves, not many young people (people under 40, a broad definition of "young") are voting for them. If you're not a property owner or a pensioner, they're offering nothing. They're heavily anti-working age people from what I can tell (they want workers paying huge taxes, which are given to the pensioners, and commuting to London or another big city, they also aren't keen on them having families). They've done nothing to increase house building, their policy seems to be unsustainable ever increasing house prices that are totally disconnected from any wage growth (stagnant the entire time they've been in office), it's nice if you already own property but not so much otherwise. Everything they're doing is heavily weighted towards pensioners, because pensioners vote. There's a generation of people with not much stake in society, these people have no incentive to keep things as they are and get more conservative as they get older. As things stand there will not be enough new Tory voters to replace the ones who die, the potential new Tory voters being some combination of homeless/heavily taxed/commuting/childless, they're making anti-Tories.

Johnson also now seems absolutely committed to mass non-EU migration (that will show the evil EU!), it's now at record breaking levels because as predicted non-EU migrants have simply taken any opportunities, and EU migrants don't come. This is structural, the migrants must come from somewhere, the Tories don't give a fuck about what's needed to skill their own population (tax payer funded education to degree level/adulthood). The Tories don't care about the skills of their own population, because that means people from their own background competing on a more level merit based playing field with people who have started out with considerably less than them. They would rather have migrants predominantly from South Asia, because new immigrants don't tend to want to change the society they move to much. They can also do the blame Labour and the dog whistle/race bait game, immediately after they lose power.

The Tories own policies are making a considerably less conservative society more efficiently than any Labour government ever managed. The Tories are going to have to con a lot of people for a long time, people they seem totally committed to impoverishing. Maybe they can make that strategy work though, I could see them winning a small majority a few years from now on a very good day. Polling hasn't shifted much, so maybe they just squeeze a few percentage points with fear/nonsense/bigotry/"culture wars"/racism, and get closer to 40% than 35% which will mean a majority. That could carry them to 2030, longer term though there's fuck all chance of them surviving with the platform they have, and the longer Johnson is there and in power the harder it'll be to purge that platform too.

There's maybe some upside in them remaining in power doing maximum damage. Seems to me the longer they're in power the more heavy the eventual defeat will be. This isn't Thatcher when the longer she was in power the more she created a new Tory constituency. This is totally nihilistic, just lies designed to exploit people's base fears whilst they're robbing them.

TfL seem to be a lot more efficient at following up non compliance with the regs that the Met Police have been...

Nearly 4,000 passengers were issued fines for not wearing face coverings on London's transport network when it was mandatory to do so, new figures show.

Compulsory face coverings were put in place to stop the spread of coronavirus and reinstated amid rising concerns about the Omicron variant.

This rule was removed on 24 February.

Penalty notices up to £200 were issued to 3,996 people between 24 February 2021 and 27 January 2022, the mayor of London said.

Between 27 January 2022 and 24 February 2022, Transport for London (TfL) said it did not record face covering compliance activity.

And now for the bewildering array of massively overpromoted cunts parroting the party line on Twitter

Not everyone wants to "move on" it appears, Con MP for York

A loathesome den of snakes who couldn't be less worthy of public office if they tried. Just complete contempt for everything that doesn't involve them clinging onto power. A grasping, venal, appallingly unqualified sect of genuine incompetents, arseholes, scumbags, and psychopaths.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 5:52 pm










A loathesome den of snakes who couldn't be less worthy of public office if they tried. Just complete contempt for everything that doesn't involve them clinging onto power. A grasping, venal, appallingly unqualified sect of genuine incompetents, arseholes, scumbags, and psychopaths.

They'll not get rid of Boris because he's an utter lying and incompetent scumbag - but they will get rid of him if it looks like he'll cost them a election - because that's the only thing they are concerned about.

None of them would do better than Boris and they know it.

This mantra of "lets move on"/"get on with it"/"get back to work", is interesting. It's part admission they've done something wrong, part dismissive that they've done something wrong, part an admission it was better before they had done something wrong (or not done something wrong) and wish to return to that time, part a claim to competence, part a wish to forget it all.

Thing is, that doesn't really work given what the Tories have just done to the UK constitution (such as it is). It's something like someone brutally raping their partner, then the culprit telling the victim to get on with it and move on, in other words telling the victim they must accept the relationship will be one characterised by crimes being committed against them occurring on an ongoing basis. What Johnson has done, is reveal the supposed primacy of the law/convention/parliament in the UK constitution doesn't really exist, there's instead only a raw power analysis. Now he knows that and knows he can survive, he can transgress again. If he's found guilty of another criminal offense he potentially just keeps going like he has this time.

Has anything come from all the Covid corruption yet? Another thing to "move on" from I guess.

No one should be moving on from any of this. I wonder if the Tories focus grouped it though, ordinary people interviewed on the street in news broadcasts were parroting the same lines Tory MPs had come out with in interviews.

The first PM in history (as reported by the BBC) to be fined for breaking the law, and we should just move on?

Yep, sounds about right.

Number Ten is run by a pack of feral Sixth Form schoolboys.

petej wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:48 pm None of them would do better than Boris and they know it.

That's irrelevant to their ambition to be in his seat !

Liz already has the domain names bought for her Leadership run, & Richie Rich is spending hundreds of thousand of tax payers money to rehabilitate his image, & Javid has finally started paying UK taxes.... etc, etc.

Self-awareness is not particularly high with this group.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:26 pm This mantra of "lets move on"/"get on with it"/"get back to work", is interesting. It's part admission they've done something wrong, part dismissive that they've done something wrong, part an admission it was better before they had done something wrong (or not done something wrong) and wish to return to that time, part a claim to competence, part a wish to forget it all.

Thing is, that doesn't really work given what the Tories have just done to the UK constitution (such as it is). It's something like someone brutally raping their partner, then the culprit telling the victim to get on with it and move on, in other words telling the victim they must accept the relationship will be one characterised by crimes being committed against them occurring on an ongoing basis. What Johnson has done, is reveal the supposed primacy of the law/convention/parliament in the UK constitution doesn't really exist, there's instead only a raw power analysis. Now he knows that and knows he can survive, he can transgress again. If he's found guilty of another criminal offense he potentially just keeps going like he has this time.

Has anything come from all the Covid corruption yet? Another thing to "move on" from I guess.

No one should be moving on from any of this. I wonder if the Tories focus grouped it though, ordinary people interviewed on the street in news broadcasts were parroting the same lines Tory MPs had come out with in interviews.

There's such a constant stream of objectionable incidents from across the cabinet that no one thing stays in the news cycle long enough to gain sufficient traction with the public. I thought we might actually turn a bit of a corner once the Daily Mail latched onto all the money handed over to donors and pals during the pandemic, but they've fallen back in line with the rest of our right wing media.

Every apology is dropped like it's an unpleasant obligation, even saying the word to the masses rankles with them. The dismissiveness seems rooted in that notion of natural hierarchy with their ilk being at the top and the plebs being expected to lump whatever happens.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:26 pm I wonder if the Tories focus grouped it though, ordinary people interviewed on the street in news broadcasts were parroting the same lines Tory MPs had come out with in interviews.

I agree with the rest but not sure about this. What I’ve seen on news programmes recently has been decidedly anti Johnson.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:54 am There's such a constant stream of objectionable incidents from across the cabinet that no one thing stays in the news cycle long enough to gain sufficient traction with the public. I thought we might actually turn a bit of a corner once the Daily Mail latched onto all the money handed over to donors and pals during the pandemic, but they've fallen back in line with the rest of our right wing media.

Every apology is dropped like it's an unpleasant obligation, even saying the word to the masses rankles with them. The dismissiveness seems rooted in that notion of natural hierarchy with their ilk being at the top and the plebs being expected to lump whatever happens.

Rees-Mogg is cutting "350 EU laws" concerning procurement regulation, to enable "start ups and SMEs" to win government contracts. Or put another way, a completely new company with no track record will be able to win government contracts. Sounds fucking ominous, looks like an open door to full on South African style tenderpreneurs (an "entrepreneur" that makes a living purely off government tenders they win probably illicitly and may or may not even complete, quality is highly variable on any completed work).

GogLais wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:14 am I agree with the rest but not sure about this. What I’ve seen on news programmes recently has been decidedly anti Johnson.

ITV and Channel 4 news yesterday there were quite a few people on the street prepared to go on TV and repeat the "move on" mantra. Tories are still polling about 35%, so there must be quite a few out there happy with criminal leadership, just got to "move on".

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:54 am

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:26 pm This mantra of "lets move on"/"get on with it"/"get back to work", is interesting. It's part admission they've done something wrong, part dismissive that they've done something wrong, part an admission it was better before they had done something wrong (or not done something wrong) and wish to return to that time, part a claim to competence, part a wish to forget it all.

Thing is, that doesn't really work given what the Tories have just done to the UK constitution (such as it is). It's something like someone brutally raping their partner, then the culprit telling the victim to get on with it and move on, in other words telling the victim they must accept the relationship will be one characterised by crimes being committed against them occurring on an ongoing basis. What Johnson has done, is reveal the supposed primacy of the law/convention/parliament in the UK constitution doesn't really exist, there's instead only a raw power analysis. Now he knows that and knows he can survive, he can transgress again. If he's found guilty of another criminal offense he potentially just keeps going like he has this time.

Has anything come from all the Covid corruption yet? Another thing to "move on" from I guess.

No one should be moving on from any of this. I wonder if the Tories focus grouped it though, ordinary people interviewed on the street in news broadcasts were parroting the same lines Tory MPs had come out with in interviews.

There's such a constant stream of objectionable incidents from across the cabinet that no one thing stays in the news cycle long enough to gain sufficient traction with the public. I thought we might actually turn a bit of a corner once the Daily Mail latched onto all the money handed over to donors and pals during the pandemic, but they've fallen back in line with the rest of our right wing media.

Every apology is dropped like it's an unpleasant obligation, even saying the word to the masses rankles with them. The dismissiveness seems rooted in that notion of natural hierarchy with their ilk being at the top and the plebs being expected to lump whatever happens.

Changed editors after Geordie Greig ousted and Dacre back at the parent company

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 10:54 am

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:26 pm This mantra of "lets move on"/"get on with it"/"get back to work", is interesting. It's part admission they've done something wrong, part dismissive that they've done something wrong, part an admission it was better before they had done something wrong (or not done something wrong) and wish to return to that time, part a claim to competence, part a wish to forget it all.

Thing is, that doesn't really work given what the Tories have just done to the UK constitution (such as it is). It's something like someone brutally raping their partner, then the culprit telling the victim to get on with it and move on, in other words telling the victim they must accept the relationship will be one characterised by crimes being committed against them occurring on an ongoing basis. What Johnson has done, is reveal the supposed primacy of the law/convention/parliament in the UK constitution doesn't really exist, there's instead only a raw power analysis. Now he knows that and knows he can survive, he can transgress again. If he's found guilty of another criminal offense he potentially just keeps going like he has this time.

Has anything come from all the Covid corruption yet? Another thing to "move on" from I guess.

No one should be moving on from any of this. I wonder if the Tories focus grouped it though, ordinary people interviewed on the street in news broadcasts were parroting the same lines Tory MPs had come out with in interviews.

There's such a constant stream of objectionable incidents from across the cabinet that no one thing stays in the news cycle long enough to gain sufficient traction with the public. I thought we might actually turn a bit of a corner once the Daily Mail latched onto all the money handed over to donors and pals during the pandemic, but they've fallen back in line with the rest of our right wing media.

Every apology is dropped like it's an unpleasant obligation, even saying the word to the masses rankles with them. The dismissiveness seems rooted in that notion of natural hierarchy with their ilk being at the top and the plebs being expected to lump whatever happens.

Covid corruption - There is some stuff kicking around Pestfix PPE contract today. Folk are looking at their delayed company accounts for a year ago. Check the Jo Maugham twitter feed. Apparently Pestfix has a gross profit of £114m but is potentially due £72m to DHSC for contracts that were not met or PPE didnt meet the required standards. However a lot of cash seems to have been 'loaned' to a parent company - not bad for a company that had £18,000 net assets before the dodgy PPE contracts. I suspect GLP will be following this up.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:17 pm

He stole my battered wife analogy. Check the ticker at the bottom of the video though "is it time to move on?", thing is if the media moves on (it will, large parts of it are owned by billionaire supporting Tories, and the BBC don't want to piss the Tories off they already mention Brexit as little as possible, even censoring/editing interviews so Brexit isn't mentioned) and a large part of the population moves on (they will, a third of them are Tories). Then anyone pointing out like Stewart that the "moving on" thing is happening a lot starts looking like a raving mad man to many people.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:31 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:17 pm

He stole my battered wife analogy. Check the ticker at the bottom of the video though "is it time to move on?", thing is if the media moves on (it will, large parts of it are owned by billionaire supporting Tories, and the BBC don't want to piss the Tories off they already mention Brexit as little as possible, even censoring/editing interviews so Brexit isn't mentioned) and a large part of the population moves on (they will, a third of them are Tories). Then anyone pointing out like Stewart that the "moving on" thing is happening a lot starts looking like a raving mad man to many people.

The fact the Tory party thought that Boris Johnson would make a better pm than Stewart is a disgrace.

petej wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:49 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:31 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:17 pm

He stole my battered wife analogy. Check the ticker at the bottom of the video though "is it time to move on?", thing is if the media moves on (it will, large parts of it are owned by billionaire supporting Tories, and the BBC don't want to piss the Tories off they already mention Brexit as little as possible, even censoring/editing interviews so Brexit isn't mentioned) and a large part of the population moves on (they will, a third of them are Tories). Then anyone pointing out like Stewart that the "moving on" thing is happening a lot starts looking like a raving mad man to many people.

The fact the Tory party thought that Boris Johnson would make a better pm than Stewart is a disgrace.

No one thought Johnson would be a good PM, or even a better PM than any of the other leadership candidates. They just thought he would be more likely to win the next election with his 'get Brexit done' bullshit, and holding onto power was the only thing they were interested in.

Somehow skirted over given the morass that surrounds Boris as a norm is what actually is the legislative agenda of his government, and what are their guiding principles?

Beyond being in power with a hint (or slap in the face) of corruption they're just there, there's no actual programme for anything. They're just bouncing from event to event (some of them involving rather more drinking than work events should)

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:20 pm Somehow skirted over given the morass that surrounds Boris as a norm is what actually is the legislative agenda of his government, and what are their guiding principles?

Beyond being in power with a hint (or slap in the face) of corruption they're just there, there's no actual programme for anything. They're just bouncing from event to event (some of them involving rather more drinking than work events should)

Seems to be pretty much based on leaving everything for the Free Market to solve as far as the economy goes and generally doing as little as possible other than coming up with branding to make it sound like they're doing something. And we can add saying they are definitely not going to do something ( e.g. Windfall Tax' ) before U-turning on a sixpence only when it's expedient to try and drown out a clusterfuck.

They will point at Brexit and Immigration but for the former there's really no drive to do anything now it's "done" and for the latter simply outsourcing it.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:34 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:20 pm Somehow skirted over given the morass that surrounds Boris as a norm is what actually is the legislative agenda of his government, and what are their guiding principles?

Beyond being in power with a hint (or slap in the face) of corruption they're just there, there's no actual programme for anything. They're just bouncing from event to event (some of them involving rather more drinking than work events should)

Seems to be pretty much based on leaving everything for the Free Market to solve as far as the economy goes and generally doing as little as possible other than coming up with branding to make it sound like they're doing something. And we can add saying they are definitely not going to do something ( e.g. Windfall Tax' ) before U-turning on a sixpence only when it's expedient to try and drown out a clusterfuck.

They will point at Brexit and Immigration but for the former there's really no drive to do anything now it's "done" and for the latter simply outsourcing it.

Even stuff like the windfall tax they're not calling a windfall tax is a reaction. There's no agenda they're actually setting out and then following, which is the sort of thing you might expect to happen to a government with a majority of 8, but FFS they've got a a majority of 80 seats or so, just what the feck are they waiting for?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:38 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:34 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:20 pm Somehow skirted over given the morass that surrounds Boris as a norm is what actually is the legislative agenda of his government, and what are their guiding principles?

Beyond being in power with a hint (or slap in the face) of corruption they're just there, there's no actual programme for anything. They're just bouncing from event to event (some of them involving rather more drinking than work events should)

Seems to be pretty much based on leaving everything for the Free Market to solve as far as the economy goes and generally doing as little as possible other than coming up with branding to make it sound like they're doing something. And we can add saying they are definitely not going to do something ( e.g. Windfall Tax' ) before U-turning on a sixpence only when it's expedient to try and drown out a clusterfuck.

They will point at Brexit and Immigration but for the former there's really no drive to do anything now it's "done" and for the latter simply outsourcing it.

Even stuff like the windfall tax they're not calling a windfall tax is a reaction. There's no agenda they're actually setting out and then following, which is the sort of thing you might expect to happen to a government with a majority of 8, but FFS they've got a a majority of 80 seats or so, just what the feck are they waiting for?

They have an agenda they're deeply committed to, it's just not one that will win them votes so isn't promoted. There's a second agenda they don't care about beyond marketing, this one is all the Potemkin two and three word slogans used to con people and win votes, "Leveling Up" and all the rest of it which on closer inspection has nothing to it. It's a dual strategy where there's a real agenda and a fake agenda, a lot of the media is controlled by people who are in on it.

Their real agenda is about self enrichment, it's about defending and expanding corruption, and making sure they're multi millionaires. The David Cameron Greensill scandal ("move on!"), the Owen Paterson scandal ("move on!"), Rishi Sunak and his green card and his non-dom wife and his hundreds of millions and their strange Covid contracts ("move on!"), other strange Covid contracts allegedly connected to Tory cabinet ministers or their family members ("move on!"), all the donations to the Tories from oligarchs ("move on!"). That's their real agenda, everything else is just bullshit to con people and stay in power, the con includes amassing a huge national debt (whilst attempting no structural changes of the UK economy).

A summary of how it all works would be a massive post (longer than my usual posts which are already too long). Easier just watching a discussion with these three guys that between them have written four books on the subject, if you're interested:

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:38 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:34 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:20 pm Somehow skirted over given the morass that surrounds Boris as a norm is what actually is the legislative agenda of his government, and what are their guiding principles?

Beyond being in power with a hint (or slap in the face) of corruption they're just there, there's no actual programme for anything. They're just bouncing from event to event (some of them involving rather more drinking than work events should)

Seems to be pretty much based on leaving everything for the Free Market to solve as far as the economy goes and generally doing as little as possible other than coming up with branding to make it sound like they're doing something. And we can add saying they are definitely not going to do something ( e.g. Windfall Tax' ) before U-turning on a sixpence only when it's expedient to try and drown out a clusterfuck.

They will point at Brexit and Immigration but for the former there's really no drive to do anything now it's "done" and for the latter simply outsourcing it.

Even stuff like the windfall tax they're not calling a windfall tax is a reaction. There's no agenda they're actually setting out and then following, which is the sort of thing you might expect to happen to a government with a majority of 8, but FFS they've got a a majority of 80 seats or so, just what the feck are they waiting for?

It's all "Build Back Better" and "Unleash our potential" and "Ten Point Plan" because we have a bunch of lightweights and self-opportunists with little idea, vision or planning ability. Losing Cummings, as much of a reptile as he is, they have no-one with any drive to do anything other than just bumble along and stay in power "Because Labour, because Corbyn"...

What we actually get is pitiful mandates like privatising Channel 4 and potentially the BBC ( as has been an aim for so long ), because these are clearly what the country needs more than anything The rest of our great Post Brexit Triumph will just happen by magic it seems.

I see the Windfall Tax contains an 80% investment allowance for new oil and gas extraction. Effectively 91p tax saving on every £1 invested, it would appear.

Let the world burn.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:59 pm
They have an agenda they're deeply committed to, it's just not one that will win them votes so isn't promoted.

A lot of the rest that followed I'd still think distinct from a legislative agenda, and whatever your bent you should have an agenda you want to follow else why are you even there to begin with?

But the part about the votes might be telling, for instance is Sunak something of the next George Osborne but cannot be fiscally conservative because Boris is worried about being popular? Indeed you could almost say their entire agenda, whatever the feck it might be, doesn't get off the ground because they have no over-arching principles that govern how they set budget, and so they don't have a financial position to start from and work towards. Does anyone know if they're actually fiscally conservative, for increases in tax, for a rise in public spending with an eye on investment?

Such that they mention things it can even be crazy like the bridge between Scotland and Ireland which doesn't join up with other areas of public policy.

Yes there's been a pandemic, but they've 700 odd days out of the 1800 or so they were voted in for left. They're burning through those 700 days fast and they seemingly don't even know what they want to start to address. I rather suspect I wouldn't like what they might try and do, and one might argue a saving grace of Boris is like Trump he doesn't actually know what to do with the job once he'd got it, but on the legislative front it's an amateur shitshow. One might try and argue the Major and May governments were worse, but they operated with tiny (if any) majorities. Boris really should be able to set and drive an agenda, instead he's muddling along getting distracted by Operation Save Big Dog, and that's not governance

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:08 pm I see the Windfall Tax contains an 80% investment allowance for new oil and gas extraction. Effectively 91p tax saving on every £1 invested, it would appear.

Let the world burn.

They really are reptilian scumbags.

petej wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:16 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:08 pm I see the Windfall Tax contains an 80% investment allowance for new oil and gas extraction. Effectively 91p tax saving on every £1 invested, it would appear.

Let the world burn.

They really are reptilian scumbags.

Bit perplexed - I get the environmental angle but the gas and oil will get burnt as the demand is there - its just a case of whether it comes from UK fields or is bought in from overseas - in this sense encouraging domestic extraction makes sense.