NPR

Enzedder wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:07 am I hope this isn't true

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:27 pm

Nice...should be a 600k UK total

dkm57 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:57 pm I'd rather they just got on with doing the jabs than reporting daily, weekly summary is fine IMHO.

Biffer wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:15 pm Further large scale vaccination sites opening in a Scotland this week. EICC in Edinburgh (21,000/week) Aberdeen conference centre (6000), Louise Jordan should be capable of 10,000 a day before too long. Should hopefully increase our rates up to nearer 40,000 a day, near 300,000 a week. Which would mean nine or ten more weeks to get all the JCVI priority groups done.

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:51 pm

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:06 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:51 pm

Thing is, as further vaccines come on stream you would expect things to actually happen much faster

Raggs wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:26 pm

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:06 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:51 pm

Thing is, as further vaccines come on stream you would expect things to actually happen much faster

You'd also think that the less vulnerable could be more easily mobile too, so less missed/rearranged appointments.

Biffer wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:32 pm

Raggs wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:26 pm

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:06 pm

Thing is, as further vaccines come on stream you would expect things to actually happen much faster

You'd also think that the less vulnerable could be more easily mobile too, so less missed/rearranged appointments.

Well you can definitely get them to mass vaccination centres.

Rinkals wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:56 pm It's all very well ignoring this Crane character because he regurgitates unmitigated crap, but without it being contested it gets accepted as an important contribution rather than a complete pile of shit.

In order for the pandemic to be controlled, there needs to be a commitment from the general public to abide by the rules and follow the scientific advice.

Misinformation, quack science and loony conspiracy theories go a long way to undermine that and damage any attempt to get back to normalcy.

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:15 pm Further large scale vaccination sites opening in a Scotland this week. EICC in Edinburgh (21,000/week) Aberdeen conference centre (6000), Louise Jordan should be capable of 10,000 a day before too long. Should hopefully increase our rates up to nearer 40,000 a day, near 300,000 a week. Which would mean nine or ten more weeks to get all the JCVI priority groups done.

Good.

Without getting too political about it given the huge amounts of credibility pinned on whats perceived as a superior response in Scotland the vaccination data (the one metric absolutely down to competence) will be a concern I am sure.

Raggs wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:03 pm

Rinkals wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:56 pm It's all very well ignoring this Crane character because he regurgitates unmitigated crap, but without it being contested it gets accepted as an important contribution rather than a complete pile of shit.

In order for the pandemic to be controlled, there needs to be a commitment from the general public to abide by the rules and follow the scientific advice.

Misinformation, quack science and loony conspiracy theories go a long way to undermine that and damage any attempt to get back to normalcy.

Still about Ivermectin? If I saw it on say Facebook or somewhere, I'd perhaps challenge it. Here? It's such a closed audience that I can't see me changing anyones minds.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:08 pm If you live somewhere that isn’t getting a vaccine for 9-12 months and you’re a vulnerable person who could die from Covid.......yeah I’d get a couple of Invermecton pills and stash them in my medicine cabinet. Can’t hurt......

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:15 pm Further large scale vaccination sites opening in a Scotland this week. EICC in Edinburgh (21,000/week) Aberdeen conference centre (6000), Louise Jordan should be capable of 10,000 a day before too long. Should hopefully increase our rates up to nearer 40,000 a day, near 300,000 a week. Which would mean nine or ten more weeks to get all the JCVI priority groups done.

Good.

Without getting too political about it given the huge amounts of credibility pinned on whats perceived as a superior response in Scotland the vaccination data (the one metric absolutely down to competence) will be a concern I am sure.

Slow start in Scotland however I know they have been focusing on care home residents, 80+ who are homebound and NHS and care home front line staff. Should ramp up next week. However not sure how vaccines are distributed, may be that more vaccine has gone to those areas with higher cases and deaths (parts of England and Wales) and where the NHS is under most pressure? Scotland still running well below case and death numbers per million when compared to parts of England and Wales. We were able to lock down earlier and when case numbers were still much, much lower than London and the SE and before the new variant took hold. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with vaccine distribution in UK being focused on those areas under most pressure and ditto in Scotland where Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc have the highest rates.

Raggs wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:18 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:08 pm If you live somewhere that isn’t getting a vaccine for 9-12 months and you’re a vulnerable person who could die from Covid.......yeah I’d get a couple of Invermecton pills and stash them in my medicine cabinet. Can’t hurt......

Why can't it hurt? It has side effects, combined with the damage done by Covid, it could absolutely hurt, especially if self medicating!

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:32 pm

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Good.

Without getting too political about it given the huge amounts of credibility pinned on whats perceived as a superior response in Scotland the vaccination data (the one metric absolutely down to competence) will be a concern I am sure.

Slow start in Scotland however I know they have been focusing on care home residents, 80+ who are homebound and NHS and care home front line staff. Should ramp up next week. However not sure how vaccines are distributed, may be that more vaccine has gone to those areas with higher cases and deaths (parts of England and Wales) and where the NHS is under most pressure? Scotland still running well below case and death numbers per million when compared to parts of England and Wales. We were able to lock down earlier and when case numbers were still much, much lower than London and the SE and before the new variant took hold. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with vaccine distribution in UK being focused on those areas under most pressure and ditto in Scotland where Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc have the highest rates.

Vaccinations are being dispensed to each nation and NI on straight population share basis. As far as I know there is no adjustment for case rates in any given area at UK level and in any case Scotland is about middle ranked compared to the rest of the UK in terms of fatalities (if England is broken down into regions).

There is a political aspect to the devolved administration wanting to claim credit for lower case rates (caused by a variety of factors and marginal testing) because it means they have to own the lower vaccination rate (solely down to governance and organisation) but perhaps that's a discussion for the Scottish politics thread.

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:15 pm Further large scale vaccination sites opening in a Scotland this week. EICC in Edinburgh (21,000/week) Aberdeen conference centre (6000), Louise Jordan should be capable of 10,000 a day before too long. Should hopefully increase our rates up to nearer 40,000 a day, near 300,000 a week. Which would mean nine or ten more weeks to get all the JCVI priority groups done.

Good.

Without getting too political about it given the huge amounts of credibility pinned on whats perceived as a superior response in Scotland the vaccination data (the one metric absolutely down to competence) will be a concern I am sure.

Slow start in Scotland however I know they have been focusing on care home residents, 80+ who are homebound and NHS and care home front line staff. Should ramp up next week. However not sure how vaccines are distributed, may be that more vaccine has gone to those areas with higher cases and deaths (parts of England and Wales) and where the NHS is under most pressure? Scotland still running well below case and death numbers per million when compared to parts of England and Wales. We were able to lock down earlier and when case numbers were still much, much lower than London and the SE and before the new variant took hold. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with vaccine distribution in UK being focused on those areas under most pressure and ditto in Scotland where Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc have the highest rates.

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:17 pm It will be what it will be but does anyone know whether the Government's target is to vaccinate everybody by 15 February or to offer everyone a vaccine by then? I thought it was the former but I'm not so sure now. I'm eagerly awaiting the call even if I won't be able to do anything that I can't do now.

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:17 pm It will be what it will be but does anyone know whether the Government's target is to vaccinate everybody by 15 February or to offer everyone a vaccine by then? I thought it was the former but I'm not so sure now. I'm eagerly awaiting the call even if I won't be able to do anything that I can't do now.

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:32 pm

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Good.

Without getting too political about it given the huge amounts of credibility pinned on whats perceived as a superior response in Scotland the vaccination data (the one metric absolutely down to competence) will be a concern I am sure.

Slow start in Scotland however I know they have been focusing on care home residents, 80+ who are homebound and NHS and care home front line staff. Should ramp up next week. However not sure how vaccines are distributed, may be that more vaccine has gone to those areas with higher cases and deaths (parts of England and Wales) and where the NHS is under most pressure? Scotland still running well below case and death numbers per million when compared to parts of England and Wales. We were able to lock down earlier and when case numbers were still much, much lower than London and the SE and before the new variant took hold. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with vaccine distribution in UK being focused on those areas under most pressure and ditto in Scotland where Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc have the highest rates.

Vaccinations are being dispensed to each nation and NI on straight population share basis. As far as I know there is no adjustment for case rates in any given area at UK level and in any case Scotland is about middle ranked compared to the rest of the UK in terms of fatalities (if England is broken down into regions).

There is a political aspect to the devolved administration wanting to claim credit for lower case rates (caused by a variety of factors and marginal testing) because it means they have to own the lower vaccination rate (solely down to governance and organisation) but perhaps that's a discussion for the Scottish politics thread.

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:42 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:32 pm

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

Slow start in Scotland however I know they have been focusing on care home residents, 80+ who are homebound and NHS and care home front line staff. Should ramp up next week. However not sure how vaccines are distributed, may be that more vaccine has gone to those areas with higher cases and deaths (parts of England and Wales) and where the NHS is under most pressure? Scotland still running well below case and death numbers per million when compared to parts of England and Wales. We were able to lock down earlier and when case numbers were still much, much lower than London and the SE and before the new variant took hold. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with vaccine distribution in UK being focused on those areas under most pressure and ditto in Scotland where Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc have the highest rates.

Vaccinations are being dispensed to each nation and NI on straight population share basis. As far as I know there is no adjustment for case rates in any given area at UK level and in any case Scotland is about middle ranked compared to the rest of the UK in terms of fatalities (if England is broken down into regions).

There is a political aspect to the devolved administration wanting to claim credit for lower case rates (caused by a variety of factors and marginal testing) because it means they have to own the lower vaccination rate (solely down to governance and organisation) but perhaps that's a discussion for the Scottish politics thread.

Thanks for clarifying how vaccines are being distributed.

It really wasn't a political point but trying to be rational about trying to minimise the death rate across the UK, a bit like the argument about concentrating vaccine distribution across the EU. The current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million - 25% higher. I said in my post we should concentrate on London and the SE where the rate is highest and recognise that there are regional differences. In Scotland the death rate in Glasgow and Lanarkshire is the highest in Scotland. Number of deaths mirrors the number of cases, testing rate is as much a function of demand than anything else. I genuinely believe that we should be sending vaccines to those areas which have the highest death rates and where the NHS is under most pressure and this is clearly in parts of England. Where I am in Embra we are running at less than a 100 cases per 100,000 and deaths rates are relatively low as well, most deaths have been in care homes and these residents have now been vaccinated, so it would seem sensible to concentrate vaccination supplies and effort in those areas more at risk?

Really interesting that folk immediately jump on the Scotland v England issue when I thought I was making an entirely sensible suggestion - why not concentrate vaccination efforts in those areas of the UK, or Scotland, at highest risk and where the NHS is under most pressure? Lets look at the data rather than getting the hump?

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:33 pm

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:17 pm It will be what it will be but does anyone know whether the Government's target is to vaccinate everybody by 15 February or to offer everyone a vaccine by then? I thought it was the former but I'm not so sure now. I'm eagerly awaiting the call even if I won't be able to do anything that I can't do now.

My understanding is that it's to complete the vaccination by then, and that on current rates they're on track. The confusion is that the UK gov is only responsible for England vax rates. Provided Wales, Scotland, and NI are supplied with their share of vaccine there's nothing that Westminster can do beyond that

Edit - assuming you mean groups 1-4

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:48 pm

dpedin wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:42 pm

tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:32 pm

Vaccinations are being dispensed to each nation and NI on straight population share basis. As far as I know there is no adjustment for case rates in any given area at UK level and in any case Scotland is about middle ranked compared to the rest of the UK in terms of fatalities (if England is broken down into regions).

There is a political aspect to the devolved administration wanting to claim credit for lower case rates (caused by a variety of factors and marginal testing) because it means they have to own the lower vaccination rate (solely down to governance and organisation) but perhaps that's a discussion for the Scottish politics thread.

Thanks for clarifying how vaccines are being distributed.

It really wasn't a political point but trying to be rational about trying to minimise the death rate across the UK, a bit like the argument about concentrating vaccine distribution across the EU. The current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million - 25% higher. I said in my post we should concentrate on London and the SE where the rate is highest and recognise that there are regional differences. In Scotland the death rate in Glasgow and Lanarkshire is the highest in Scotland. Number of deaths mirrors the number of cases, testing rate is as much a function of demand than anything else. I genuinely believe that we should be sending vaccines to those areas which have the highest death rates and where the NHS is under most pressure and this is clearly in parts of England. Where I am in Embra we are running at less than a 100 cases per 100,000 and deaths rates are relatively low as well, most deaths have been in care homes and these residents have now been vaccinated, so it would seem sensible to concentrate vaccination supplies and effort in those areas more at risk?

Really interesting that folk immediately jump on the Scotland v England issue when I thought I was making an entirely sensible suggestion - why not concentrate vaccination efforts in those areas of the UK, or Scotland, at highest risk and where the NHS is under most pressure? Lets look at the data rather than getting the hump?

I agree that there may be a sensible scientific rationale to do something other that per capita distribution. But I also think that there is zero chance that Nicola would permit that if it meant fewer shots per capital in Scotland.

Realpolitik is a real thing

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:56 pm

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:33 pm

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:17 pm It will be what it will be but does anyone know whether the Government's target is to vaccinate everybody by 15 February or to offer everyone a vaccine by then? I thought it was the former but I'm not so sure now. I'm eagerly awaiting the call even if I won't be able to do anything that I can't do now.

My understanding is that it's to complete the vaccination by then, and that on current rates they're on track. The confusion is that the UK gov is only responsible for England vax rates. Provided Wales, Scotland, and NI are supplied with their share of vaccine there's nothing that Westminster can do beyond that

Edit - assuming you mean groups 1-4

Bad wording/laziness on my part, yes 1-4. It's just that Huge Pym was on the telly and he seemed to imply that the target was to offer it by the 15th. I cynically wondered whether I might be offered it by then but only get it a couple of weeks later.

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:03 pm

GogLais wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:56 pm

Saint wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:33 pm

My understanding is that it's to complete the vaccination by then, and that on current rates they're on track. The confusion is that the UK gov is only responsible for England vax rates. Provided Wales, Scotland, and NI are supplied with their share of vaccine there's nothing that Westminster can do beyond that

Edit - assuming you mean groups 1-4

Bad wording/laziness on my part, yes 1-4. It's just that Huge Pym was on the telly and he seemed to imply that the target was to offer it by the 15th. I cynically wondered whether I might be offered it by then but only get it a couple of weeks later.

I can't comment on offer vs take-up but my understanding is that on raw numbers the UK as a whole is on track to hit delivered as opposed to offered.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:20 pm My 46 year old brother had his second AZ jab on Friday. All day and night of Saturday he felt really achy with a migraine. Feels 100% again today.