Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:07 am
Yes that' my understanding too. Bird in the hand worth two in the bush? Tough call. Depends on whether SARU can survive until next year.
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Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
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Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:11 am
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:09 am
Ja, that wont be too great for the country as a whole. Lions tours brings in a lot of Pounds for the host nation, if it's played in the UK we wont see any of that.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:49 am
Must be done. I think it will be great. Like Escape to Victory where the Lions are the German Football team and we're the plucky POW's.
We seriously need that cash. The TV rights and hopefully our share of ticket sales would be substantial.
We seriously need that cash. The TV rights and hopefully our share of ticket sales would be substantial.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:06 pm
I'm sure SARU will only agree to it based on a reasonable revenue share.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:09 am Ja, that wont be too great for the country as a whole. Lions tours brings in a lot of Pounds for the host nation, if it's played in the UK we wont see any of that.
Ticket prices will fetch much more than in SA and the UK public have been starved of live rugby. I reckon they could comfortably sell out all games at a high price.
Would be interesting to see how they integrate the SA teams playing in the Rainbow Cup to play against the Lions.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
What is made from the games themselves is a pittance compared to what is injected into the economy through tourism. If it's played in the UK we lose out on what the visiting supporters would have spent on lodging, food, drink and recreation.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:06 pmI'm sure SARU will only agree to it based on a reasonable revenue share.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:09 am Ja, that wont be too great for the country as a whole. Lions tours brings in a lot of Pounds for the host nation, if it's played in the UK we wont see any of that.
Ticket prices will fetch much more than in SA and the UK public have been starved of live rugby. I reckon they could comfortably sell out all games at a high price.
Would be interesting to see how they integrate the SA teams playing in the Rainbow Cup to play against the Lions.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 pm
I agree. I think it's a terrible idea. There is no way we will have full capacity stadiums by then and all it takes is an oubreak a la France and the whole thing is fucked.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pmWhat is made from the games themselves is a pittance compared to what is injected into the economy through tourism. If it's played in the UK we lose out on what the visiting supporters would have spent on lodging, food, drink and recreation.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:06 pmI'm sure SARU will only agree to it based on a reasonable revenue share.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:09 am Ja, that wont be too great for the country as a whole. Lions tours brings in a lot of Pounds for the host nation, if it's played in the UK we wont see any of that.
Ticket prices will fetch much more than in SA and the UK public have been starved of live rugby. I reckon they could comfortably sell out all games at a high price.
Would be interesting to see how they integrate the SA teams playing in the Rainbow Cup to play against the Lions.
Leave it for a year.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 pm
Yeah it's not a tour if its here. I would have taken a UK 'tour' over no tour whatsoever but by next year we should be all good to go, hopefully with me there.Slick wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 pmI agree. I think it's a terrible idea. There is no way we will have full capacity stadiums by then and all it takes is an oubreak a la France and the whole thing is fucked.average joe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pmWhat is made from the games themselves is a pittance compared to what is injected into the economy through tourism. If it's played in the UK we lose out on what the visiting supporters would have spent on lodging, food, drink and recreation.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:06 pm
I'm sure SARU will only agree to it based on a reasonable revenue share.
Ticket prices will fetch much more than in SA and the UK public have been starved of live rugby. I reckon they could comfortably sell out all games at a high price.
Would be interesting to see how they integrate the SA teams playing in the Rainbow Cup to play against the Lions.
Leave it for a year.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:29 pm
If there is no option due to logistics and scheduling for it to be played in the UK, then the Saffers should get at least 50% of any profit made, i would argue for 75%
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:14 pm
Whilst I agree, I'm not sure that would be in the gift of the Lions.
Should imagine that there would have to be some major negotiations with the the 4 Unions involved in staging the matches as to how much they cover the costs of putting on those matches and how match day profits (bars and food in particular) are disbursed
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:22 pm
It will be fantastic if they play in the UK with midweek matches.
Remember the old Springbok tours in the UK.
I predicted when lockdown started that long tours is the way forward.
Should be a honor for the Springboks to be part of such a fantastic concept.
Remember the old Springbok tours in the UK.
I predicted when lockdown started that long tours is the way forward.
Should be a honor for the Springboks to be part of such a fantastic concept.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:23 pm
I'm not a huge fan of the Lions - but they could make a UK based series quite profitable. The Lions and SA could play Japan, Baa Baas, and the home nations (less their Lions, of course) for warm up/dirt trackers matches - there'd still be big crowds for those - with plenty of money to be made. And the home nations would get to try out some fringe players.
The chances of any of the Home nations being able to do summer tours this year are remote - so a few games v the Lions would help.
The chances of any of the Home nations being able to do summer tours this year are remote - so a few games v the Lions would help.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:57 pm
Now that would be interestingOvals wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:23 pm I'm not a huge fan of the Lions - but they could make a UK based series quite profitable. The Lions and SA could play Japan, Baa Baas, and the home nations (less their Lions, of course) for warm up/dirt trackers matches - there'd still be big crowds for those - with plenty of money to be made. And the home nations would get to try out some fringe players.
The chances of any of the Home nations being able to do summer tours this year are remote - so a few games v the Lions would help.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:40 pm
BaaBaas fucked up their last fixture during lockdown, no chance they'll get another run so soon. 
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:33 pm
TBH - they were an afterthought on my part - I was just trying to think of teams that could provide suitable opposition and would attract a reasonable crown - obviously there's also the Regions/Clubs but they might not have such a broad audience.
They could also bring France and Italy over for a game - I'm sure France would love to play the Lions and SA.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:58 pm
Maybe pencil in France for the last game?Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:33 pmTBH - they were an afterthought on my part - I was just trying to think of teams that could provide suitable opposition and would attract a reasonable crown - obviously there's also the Regions/Clubs but they might not have such a broad audience.
They could also bring France and Italy over for a game - I'm sure France would love to play the Lions and SA.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:31 pm
Leicester B might be too much for Boks again.Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:33 pmTBH - they were an afterthought on my part - I was just trying to think of teams that could provide suitable opposition and would attract a reasonable crown - obviously there's also the Regions/Clubs but they might not have such a broad audience.
They could also bring France and Italy over for a game - I'm sure France would love to play the Lions and SA.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:56 am
Boks to play the USA in a warm up to the Lions tour
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-iden ... -usa-gold/
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-iden ... -usa-gold/
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:59 am
Well, I'm glad they've chosen a team from a country that's got the virus under control.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 am
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 am
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:02 pm
The lions are the pinnacle of the sport, and must go ahead regardless.
I will be devestated otherwise.
Devestated.
The Union is on shakey ground and not picking or acknowledging some flakey scottish full back , who needs his hair glued on every two weeks might throw the whole thing into jeopardy.
Harry Tindal and Wills and all the establishment figures in England who married into or inherited everything they own, need to show they are down with the people who want to lick their arses and tug their own forlocks till they reverse anally prolapse out of their mouths.. gawdammit.
I will be devestated otherwise.
Devestated.
The Union is on shakey ground and not picking or acknowledging some flakey scottish full back , who needs his hair glued on every two weeks might throw the whole thing into jeopardy.
Harry Tindal and Wills and all the establishment figures in England who married into or inherited everything they own, need to show they are down with the people who want to lick their arses and tug their own forlocks till they reverse anally prolapse out of their mouths.. gawdammit.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:04 pm
I thought you were off the booze?Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:02 pm The lions are the pinnacle of the sport, and must go ahead regardless.
I will be devestated otherwise.
Devestated.
The Union is on shakey ground and not picking or acknowledging some flakey scottish full back , who needs his hair glued on every two weeks might throw the whole thing into jeopardy.
Harry Tindal and Wills and all the establishment figures in England who married into or inherited everything they own, need to show they are down with the people who want to lick their arses and tug their own forlocks till they reverse anally prolapse.. gawdammit.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:43 pm
Australia definitely a no
The fate of the British & Irish Lions tour this summer remains up in the air with a final decision having been deferred until next week. Lions officials, however, have ruled out any prospect of relocating the tour to Australia, and shifting it to the UK and Ireland will only happen if the government agrees to underwrite any potential losses in the event of another Covid-19 surge.
Until now staging the tour behind closed doors in South Africa in July and August had been viewed as a last resort but organisers may yet be left with little other option. Holding the matches in empty stadiums would be a passion killer on many fronts but it would enable the three-Test series to proceed as originally scheduled.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:03 pm
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gove ... -wf2s5f0z2
"A bid by the British & Irish Lions for financial guarantees from the government for a home series against South Africa has won backing from ministers..."
Looking more and more likely. Have to say, a four Test series with games at Twickenham in London, Murrayfield in Edinburgh, the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff and the Aviva Stadium in Dublin would be epic!
"A bid by the British & Irish Lions for financial guarantees from the government for a home series against South Africa has won backing from ministers..."
Looking more and more likely. Have to say, a four Test series with games at Twickenham in London, Murrayfield in Edinburgh, the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff and the Aviva Stadium in Dublin would be epic!
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:04 pm
Dublin is filthy, full of Covid and no sign of any vaccines. Better to play it in Belfast.boere wors wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:03 pm https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gove ... -wf2s5f0z2
"A bid by the British & Irish Lions for financial guarantees from the government for a home series against South Africa has won backing from ministers..."
Looking more and more likely. Have to say, a four Test series with games at Twickenham in London, Murrayfield in Edinburgh, the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff and the Aviva Stadium in Dublin would be epic!
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:10 pm
I think all international teams should move to the UK. They could be adopted by a town or city, perhaps on an ex pat population basis.
WR rugby could then charge top rate for tickets, easy money for TV and advertising, cut down on costs like travel and set up a league system that plays 365 days of the year.
WR rugby could then charge top rate for tickets, easy money for TV and advertising, cut down on costs like travel and set up a league system that plays 365 days of the year.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 pm
In stadiums that only hold 4500 fans?Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:10 pm I think all international teams should move to the UK. They could be adopted by a town or city, perhaps on an ex pat population basis.
WR rugby could then charge top rate for tickets, easy money for TV and advertising, cut down on costs like travel and set up a league system that plays 365 days of the year.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:26 pm
This is a permanent move for the good of rugbySandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 pmIn stadiums that only hold 4500 fans?Slick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:10 pm I think all international teams should move to the UK. They could be adopted by a town or city, perhaps on an ex pat population basis.
WR rugby could then charge top rate for tickets, easy money for TV and advertising, cut down on costs like travel and set up a league system that plays 365 days of the year.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 pm
Lions to become a Tory political football?
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:43 pm
Can see that backfiring when Gatland picks zero Scots in his Test XV
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:46 pm
Oh big time
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:20 pm
Quite!Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:49 pm
Yes. I’d pay to see that.Jock42 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:57 pmNow that would be interestingOvals wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:23 pm I'm not a huge fan of the Lions - but they could make a UK based series quite profitable. The Lions and SA could play Japan, Baa Baas, and the home nations (less their Lions, of course) for warm up/dirt trackers matches - there'd still be big crowds for those - with plenty of money to be made. And the home nations would get to try out some fringe players.
The chances of any of the Home nations being able to do summer tours this year are remote - so a few games v the Lions would help.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:57 am
The idea is warming on me more and more. Yes, not a traditional Lions tour but nothing has been normal for so long now.
I just hope they still play the Bulls, Sharks, Lions, etc.
I just hope they still play the Bulls, Sharks, Lions, etc.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:59 pm
Jesus Christ, their desperation is palpable. News flash: Irish players still get picked for the Lions, despite Ireland having left the UK a century ago.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:32 pm
Leaked Lions SA tour schedule:
Can't verify authenticity but it's doing the rounds.
Can't verify authenticity but it's doing the rounds.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:41 pm
Thanks for that AF. Hope SA A get more matches. Lot of cost to get them there for only one.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:04 pm
I think they will have to go over with 40ish players anyway because of quarantine etc., they probably cannot fly in extra players that easily. Also RSA A could be filled with some players playing in Europe already.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:41 pm Thanks for that AF. Hope SA A get more matches. Lot of cost to get them there for only one.
Re: Lions 2021 to be played in the UK?
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:07 pm
Have to say I'd convinced myself that the idea of the summer tours being replaced by Lions-free national sides playing against the Lions was the best/most exciting option. If this is the reality then it's all a bit meh.