The Springboks vs British & Irish Lions 2nd Test Thread

[Sards]

I'd give Willemse the benefit of the doubt.

I think his attitude in his bench appearances has been good. He just needs to translate it into a full game.

Although I still think we need to consider Nkosi. If Kolbe is having a bad day under the high ball, then we need to counter it and Nkosi is excellent under the high ball.

Nkosi has never had to field Curwin Bosch never ending up and unders like 5 Bar did with success.

The Stormers reserves lost us the match this past weekend. Stop getting ahead of yourselves. You and Blake are acting like they did nothing wrong and all the other players are kak and we are leading the series.....Herschel, Ginger , Malherbe, Elstadt and Willemse came on and we gave up a lead and lost the game. Let's keep this in perspective

[Enzedder]

Interesting. Springboks have just owned the record for the shortest winning streak for a RWC winner. 1 test against Georgia

But they don't win or lose any points in this series so #1 is locked in

[assfly]

We definitely have to practice high ball catches as well as recovery and reset plays from failed high ball contests in defense. I think we were caught a little off guard when the Lions went there. For Wales in 2019 we were prepared as we expected kicking game from them, but for the Lions I think we expected them to try and go wide, not high. We did well enough fielding the kicks in the first half and that put them under pressure, especially when we returned. I didn't expect it to start going so badly in the second.

The more I reflect on that game, the more it was like the Wales semi-final. Both teams nullified our lineout by never kicking out.

The same semi-final where Kolbe was injured and Nkosi filled in very well. Just saying.

On second thoughts, perhaps Weise would be a better fit at 8 than bringing in Marco. He has been particularly good at fielding kicks for Leicester and I think the Lions would be less inclined to target him the way they targeted Kwagga.

[boere wors]

The more I reflect on that game, the more it was like the Wales semi-final. Both teams nullified our lineout by never kicking out.

The same semi-final where Kolbe was injured and Nkosi filled in very well. Just saying.

On second thoughts, perhaps Weise would be a better fit at 8 than bringing in Marco. He has been particularly good at fielding kicks for Leicester and I think the Lions would be less inclined to target him the way they targeted Kwagga.

Those soulless Gatland teams got the better of us the last years. Fortunately we always managed to win the important games. Not this time. We should have seen it coming.
Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

[Sandstorm]

The same semi-final where Kolbe was injured and Nkosi filled in very well. Just saying.

Wrong login, Ox.

[Sandstorm]

Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

Really? Many people thought he had a good game. If you're moaning that he didn't make any turnovers, then why is no-one bitching at Bongi, Marx, Kitshoff or Kolisi for the same reason?
Basically the whole pack was flat and thought we'd just walk over the Lions.

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

[Sards]

I would start the bum squad and after 40 bring on the bomb squad to either win it or keep it there 8f ahead. I believe that the bomb squad has better temperament to win it

[assfly]

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

We were fucked. Hardly any rugby and lots of covid recoveries. Our 9 point lead at half time wasn't by chance, but we didn't have the legs to see it through. We'll be better on Saturday. We only lost by 5 points ffs.

[boere wors]

Lions team already named


15. Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783

14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816

13. Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844

12. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824

11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841

10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821

9. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790

1. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787

2. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851

3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818

4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825

5. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761

6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826

7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853

8. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

Replacements:

16. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829

17. Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840

18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814

19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838

20. Taulupe Faletau (Bath Rugby, Wales) #779

21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843

22. Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780

23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822

[average joe]

Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

Really? Many people thought he had a good game. If you're moaning that he didn't make any turnovers, then why is no-one bitching at Bongi, Marx, Kitshoff or Kolisi for the same reason?
Basically the whole pack was flat and thought we'd just walk over the Lions.

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

I find it funny that you think kicking is part of a "game plan". Rugby has a clear blueprint. If you spend 80% of a game in your own half, you're going to be kicking for 80% of the game. No serious team runs out of their own half, it's suicide. That's why idiots think this or that coach stole his "game plan" from a previous coach. This is the way the game is played, we've been doing it long before Jake the snake came along. The only time a player would run out of their own half is if they clearly see that they can get in the oppositions half with support. In the modern era you don't run out of your own half through traffic, you kick and apply pressure. We lost because we foked up the execution in the second half, not because of a "game plan"

The "plan" was clear to me when they announce the team and it was based around scrums. In the first half you had de Klerk clear the ball quickly from the scrums, cause they knew they were up against a better scrum. In the second half he was taking his sweet time to get the ball out. The aim was to tire out the Lions forwards in the first half and capitalize when the reserves came on. Unfortunately that shit soccer pitch foked the plan up a bit.

[boere wors]

When are the bokke announced?

[handyman]

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

We were fucked. Hardly any rugby and lots of covid recoveries. Our 9 point lead at half time wasn't by chance, but we didn't have the legs to see it through. We'll be better on Saturday. We only lost by 5 points ffs.

I said at halftime we were doing great, but we need the legs to last another half. it didn't.

[handyman]

I would start the bum squad and after 40 bring on the bomb squad to either win it or keep it there 8f ahead. I believe that the bomb squad has better temperament to win it

Why are you only punting this in every post after the 1st test? Why weren't you so vocal about it before the test?

[handyman]

Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

Really? Many people thought he had a good game. If you're moaning that he didn't make any turnovers, then why is no-one bitching at Bongi, Marx, Kitshoff or Kolisi for the same reason?
Basically the whole pack was flat and thought we'd just walk over the Lions.

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

So much kak in this post

[handyman]

The more I reflect on that game, the more it was like the Wales semi-final. Both teams nullified our lineout by never kicking out.

The same semi-final where Kolbe was injured and Nkosi filled in very well. Just saying.

On second thoughts, perhaps Weise would be a better fit at 8 than bringing in Marco. He has been particularly good at fielding kicks for Leicester and I think the Lions would be less inclined to target him the way they targeted Kwagga.

Those soulless Gatland teams got the better of us the last years. Fortunately we always managed to win the important games. Not this time. We should have seen it coming.
Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

Kwagga needs to go.

[tc27]

Mako starts

Harris for Daly as expected.

Price very unlucky here IMO.

[assfly]

I was hoping they would drop Itoje.

[Sards]

So Wiese is in

Ginger and Malherbe starting as I hoped.

Ox out as injured.

Koch comes in.

That vokken useless Elstadt gone...

Van Staden on the bench

The rest the same

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

[handyman]

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

Better team. I would have preferred Reinach on the bench, but at least it looks like we will be able to lift the tempo with the replacements. Let's hope Jantjies has a blinder when he comes on.

I hope we see a much bigger impact from Marx, he was extremely quiet last week.

[sorCrer]

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

Better team. I would have preferred Reinach on the bench, but at least it looks like we will be able to lift the tempo with the replacements. Let's hope Jantjies has a blinder when he comes on.

I hope we see a much bigger impact from Marx, he was extremely quiet last week.

Marx needs to start if you want the best out of him. He always takes some time to get going.

[boere wors]

Better team. I would have preferred Reinach on the bench, but at least it looks like we will be able to lift the tempo with the replacements. Let's hope Jantjies has a blinder when he comes on.

I hope we see a much bigger impact from Marx, he was extremely quiet last week.

Yes, that's actually a very reasonable selection. I also think Reinach would have been a better impact option, but nervermind, Faf will probably go the distance anyway. 6-2 split with the front row the other way around and Marco and Kwagga to come on later is promising. I'm happy with that team! Go bokke!

[Chilli]

Frans Steyn? That fat cunt who can’t break 13 secs for 100m ever again? Gaan kak.

In the old says Ox would have your balls for that comment.

[Chilli]

Frans Steyn? That fat cunt who can’t break 13 secs for 100m ever again? Gaan kak.

Frans looks about 5 kaks behind at the moment.

Ox will soon be posting the photo of Frans's naked torso to prove you wrong. You know the one hanging on his toilet door.

[assfly]

Let's have a look.

Kitsoff vs Furlong - Advantage Kitsoff, he has a point to prove and will be pissed
Bongi vs LCD - Adv. LCD if he can stop throw joke lineouts and laughing at himself
Malherbe vs Mako - Adv. Malherbe, also with a point to prove against the child bully
Eben vs Maro - Adv. Maro based on last week
Mostert vs ALJ - Even, both played well last week
Kolisi vs Curry - Adv. Curry, easy against captain invisible
Pieter-Stephanus du Toit VIII vs Lawes, Adv. PSdT easy
Wiese vs Conan - Adv. Wiese, game of his life coming up
Faf vs Murray - Adv. Faf, I thought Price should have started
Pollard vs Biggar - Even, both in good form if they can remain injury free
Mapimpi vs Watson - Adv. Mapimpi, I predict a try from him
Duh Allende vs Henshaw - Adv. DdA, in superb form
Am vs Harris - Adv. Am, much superior player
Kolbe vs Duhan - Adv. Duhan, I think Kolbe could be in for another long match
Willie vs Hogg - Adv. Hogg, Willie looking very vulnerable

Boks 8 - 5 BIL with 2 Even. Boks to go into half time in the lead.

Marx vs Owens - Adv. Marx, I expect a couple of turnovers this time
Nyakane vs Sutherland - Adv. Nyakane, thought he was the better of the two last week
Koch vs Sinckler - Adv. Sinkler unless Koch can surprise me
Lood vs Beirne - Adv. Beirne, Lood looks uninspired
Marco vs Faletau - Adv. Marco, he's going to make a massive impact
Kwagga vs Farrell - Can't compare
Herschel vs Price - Adv. Price
5Bar vs Daly - Adv. 5Bar, he's become quite the impact player

Bench is Boks 4 - 3 BIL so the Boks to maintain their lead and win the match.

[handyman]

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

Better team. I would have preferred Reinach on the bench, but at least it looks like we will be able to lift the tempo with the replacements. Let's hope Jantjies has a blinder when he comes on.

I hope we see a much bigger impact from Marx, he was extremely quiet last week.

Marx needs to start if you want the best out of him. He always takes some time to get going.

He can start when he has mastered the basics.

[Chilli]

. If you're moaning that he didn't make any turnovers, then why is no-one bitching at Bongi, Marx, Kitshoff or Kolisi for the same reason?

Stop picking on the WP players.
More WP supporters will leave this site

[Chilli]

Unfortunately that shit soccer pitch foked the plan up a bit.

Now the WP pitch is being blamed
For the sake of the WP supporters please stop blaming them.

[boere wors]

Let's have a look.


Pollard vs Biggar - Even, both in good form if they can remain injury free
Mapimpi vs Watson - Adv. Mapimpi, I predict a try from him

Pollard and Biggar are rather both equally fcuked. Pollard back from ACL and Covid, Biggars knee strapped together and failed HIA. Slight advantage Polly

Watson is pure class, I would have him over Mapimps.

[Sandstorm]

Can't wait to see if Pollard passes to De Allende. Or if De Allende passes to Am. Can't wait!

[boere wors]

Can't wait to see if Pollard passes to De Allende. Or if De Allende passes to Am. Can't wait!

Lets not get ahead of ourselves

[Sandstorm]

Can't wait to see if Pollard passes to De Allende. Or if De Allende passes to Am. Can't wait!

Lets not get ahead of ourselves

Good point. The pitch breaking up is going to cause these backs a lot of problems.

[Blake]

Frans Steyn? That fat cunt who can’t break 13 secs for 100m ever again? Gaan kak.

Frans looks about 5 kaks behind at the moment.

If the boks pull off a win I will be very surprised.

Sig bet the Boks win the second test.

[Sards]

Frans looks about 5 kaks behind at the moment.

If the boks pull off a win I will be very surprised.

Sig bet the Boks win the second test.

On

Although finally getting rid of Elstadt is a huge advantage to you

[assfly]

Watson is pure class, I would have him over Mapimps.

Watson is class. We were quite lucky that the Lions never really unleashed him, he's devastating in space. But I still think Mapimpi is the better winger, he's equally likely to create a try as score one.

Let's hope we see some one-on-ones on Saturday so settle this debate.

[handyman]

Can't wait to see if Pollard passes to De Allende. Or if De Allende passes to Am. Can't wait!

Not sure that I approve of these fair weather supporters.

[handyman]

If the boks pull off a win I will be very surprised.

Sig bet the Boks win the second test.

On

Although finally getting rid of Elstadt is a huge advantage to you

And the flip flopper is back yet again! Eggman gonna egg!

[handyman]

If the boks pull off a win I will be very surprised.

Sig bet the Boks win the second test.

On

Although finally getting rid of Elstadt is a huge advantage to you

Terms?

[Sards]

Sig bet the Boks win the second test.

On

Although finally getting rid of Elstadt is a huge advantage to you

And the flip flopper is back yet again! Eggman gonna egg!

When have you ever seen Blake take a bet.....its worth it even if I lose....if I win sadly I can have some fun with it.

1 week sig bet

[handyman]

On

Although finally getting rid of Elstadt is a huge advantage to you

And the flip flopper is back yet again! Eggman gonna egg!

When have you ever seen Blake take a bet.....its worth it even if I lose....if I win sadly I can have some fun with it.

1 week sig bet

True!

[Uncle fester]

Dropping Kwagga is so obvious it hurts.

Really? Many people thought he had a good game. If you're moaning that he didn't make any turnovers, then why is no-one bitching at Bongi, Marx, Kitshoff or Kolisi for the same reason?
Basically the whole pack was flat and thought we'd just walk over the Lions.

Rassie was arrogant and even with 3 litres of water by his side, couldn't come up with a Plan B when it was obvious the Lions were winning the aerial kicking battle and destroying us in the maul.

It's not so much that you need to drop him but if you're going to use him, it needs to be done differently. It was quite obvious how the lions targeted him on Saturday. He can't do turnovers or cool stuff if he's buried at the bottom of rucks.