Yeeb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:16 amWho ejected doesn’t mean anything really, maybe he was controlling it and realised sooner quite how fucked he was. I just mean that as conspiracy theories go, it’s one of the more plausible ones - Holland could have goaded him into trying something risky. If Holland was demoted onto the radio comms then it’s possible he wasn’t actually flying at that point, because if the known danger man was flying then perhaps the other two would have popped their eject buttons also ?
Perhaps they were lulled into security knowing the ‘safer’ pilot was flying , who unfortunately just wasn’t as skilled at stupid envelope stretching manaoivers than Holland. Bud Holland was undoubtedly a stupid risk taking twat, but hadn’t actually pranged a b52 up until then.
It does; unless your suggesting that he had three hands; & was able to have two hands on the stick, & was simultaneously able to pull the eject ?
The convention is that the captain makes the eject call. Its drilled into pilots, so that even in extremes; the pilot in control makes the call.
I don't see how you can consider this a, 'more plausible', theory; when there's precisely zero evidence that it's true; & mountains of evidence to the contrary. Someone, who wasn't flying the aircraft, retracted the gear, & then advanced the trottles. This wasn't the same person that was flying the plane.
It makes complete sense that the person flying the plane decided the course they wanted to take from the missed approach; & all the evidence is that, that was Holland, as it bore all the characteristics of the hot dogging that he'd performed a million times before ... & then he realized he was half way down the runway, & was going to over fly the WSA, which was a red card offence, & with McGeehan in the other seat he knew he was never going to fly again, if he did that, so he continued with the 1st stupid decision, & stalled the plane.
McGeehan was only in the other seat because he was prevented from grounding Holland, so the only action he could take was to say that if anyone from his wing had to 2nd seat with Holland, he would do it. He was 30 days from retirement, & his wife & kids saw the arrogant fuck Holland fly that aircraft into the ground, and his two young sons ran toward the crash screaming; so forgive me if I give this BS short shrift.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:39 pm
by Yeeb
If the pilot makes the eject call then how come Holland didn’t eject then ? By your own logic , mcgeehan was probably flying, realised he fucked up, and made the eject call.
I don’t really think anyone other than Holland was flying , just that it’s not especially far fetched imho. Holland requested permission to perform a left hand 360, and it was given, so no idea what you mean about the WSA. If Holland was on the radio , then was he breaking with the standard procedure then that the radio ops isn’t the pilot as well at the same time? Seems odd that he would be breaking rules whilst his boss was in the next seat.
ANyhows, 3 other pilots were on board and didn’t do much to prevent the prang so there is a teeny bit of culpability there too.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:19 pm
by fishfoodie
Yeeb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:39 pm
If the pilot makes the eject call then how come Holland didn’t eject then ? By your own logic , mcgeehan was probably flying, realised he fucked up, and made the eject call.
I don’t really think anyone other than Holland was flying , just that it’s not especially far fetched imho. Holland requested permission to perform a left hand 360, and it was given, so no idea what you mean about the WSA. If Holland was on the radio , then was he breaking with the standard procedure then that the radio ops isn’t the pilot as well at the same time? Seems odd that he would be breaking rules whilst his boss was in the next seat.
ANyhows, 3 other pilots were on board and didn’t do much to prevent the prang so there is a teeny bit of culpability there too.
as every; you're just a baiting troll, & onto ignore you go !
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:51 pm
by Yeeb
Why are you being such a cunt? I said I thought Holland was flying , but your own logic argues against you - I’m not trolling but you are being a massive dipshit bellcunt for no reason.
Yanks cover plenty of stuff up, and if you can’t see how it’s handy to blame the hotdog even though he was never sanctioned before or at any time in that 18 min flight prior to the crash , or how the radio and flying duties are usually split , then you are turd.
Way to go to ruin a thread , fuckface
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:13 am
by Torquemada 1420
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:54 pm
The A10 is an absolute marvel of an aircraft, the amount of weopens it can carry is just mindblowing. Not just the gun..Mavericks, Rockets, Clusterbombs, GBUs (general purpose bombs). Just loads and loads of death. There is nothing like dropping CBU96s in CCRP mode. It can also fly for days and is a full on loitering aircraft (even without external fuel tanks).
Another one is the Harrier. The US Marines upgrades to it (think they made the wings bigger and added more weapons stations) make it a rather special little plane.
The F18 is something else though, it can drop lazer guided Bombs on a tiny target from another country (sixty miles away) if you have it flying high and fast enough and use the lightening pod. Landing it on an aircraft carrier is just the greatest feeling too.
Some planes may be slightly boring but the shit they can drop and fire and spit these, all those modern weapons is just scary.
DCS is basically a combat simulator. It really mqkes you want to master all the systems from Radar to weapons to navigation and communication, systems. All modelled exactly to the real aircraft (unless one of two systems are top secret)..
You forgot "tough as f**k" for the A-10 too. If I was flying any combat aircraft to keep my cowardly arse intact, it would be a 'Hog.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:16 am
by Torquemada 1420
Yeeb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:39 pm
If the pilot makes the eject call then how come Holland didn’t eject then ? By your own logic , mcgeehan was probably flying, realised he fucked up, and made the eject call.
I don’t really think anyone other than Holland was flying , just that it’s not especially far fetched imho. Holland requested permission to perform a left hand 360, and it was given, so no idea what you mean about the WSA. If Holland was on the radio , then was he breaking with the standard procedure then that the radio ops isn’t the pilot as well at the same time? Seems odd that he would be breaking rules whilst his boss was in the next seat.
ANyhows, 3 other pilots were on board and didn’t do much to prevent the prang so there is a teeny bit of culpability there too.
Don't all primary stations have ejector seats? And only one was activated.
Yeeb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:39 pm
If the pilot makes the eject call then how come Holland didn’t eject then ? By your own logic , mcgeehan was probably flying, realised he fucked up, and made the eject call.
I don’t really think anyone other than Holland was flying , just that it’s not especially far fetched imho. Holland requested permission to perform a left hand 360, and it was given, so no idea what you mean about the WSA. If Holland was on the radio , then was he breaking with the standard procedure then that the radio ops isn’t the pilot as well at the same time? Seems odd that he would be breaking rules whilst his boss was in the next seat.
ANyhows, 3 other pilots were on board and didn’t do much to prevent the prang so there is a teeny bit of culpability there too.
as every; you're just a baiting troll, & onto ignore you go !
Whoa. Calm down foodie. Yeeb is a serious plane nut and just highlighting a theory; albeit an unlikely on IMHO.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:53 am
by Yeeb
Today’s random: unfortunately the pic has the designation on it so it’s not a question , just a link to a somewhat lesser known fighter that did actually fly. But without looking, does anyone know the country ?
Yeeb wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:53 am
Today’s random: unfortunately the pic has the designation on it so it’s not a question , just a link to a somewhat lesser known fighter that did actually fly. But without looking, does anyone know the country ?
First time I have ever seen it, I think. I would have lost money on the Country of origin though...!!!
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:15 am
by Yeeb
I’d seen it before , but ditto on the country - had only known Finland as having similar insignia, albeit different colour and direction. Doesn’t take much research to find out just how many different countries airforces were involved in ww2, not just the ones you hear of or see in models and books (uk & colonies, US, ussr, France (non Vichy) versus nazis, Italy and Japan .
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:50 am
by Lemoentjie
Just look at it. My grandfather was in bombers at the UK during WW2, but he obviously saw many Spitfires, and told stories of them.
Yeeb wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:53 am
Today’s random: unfortunately the pic has the designation on it so it’s not a question , just a link to a somewhat lesser known fighter that did actually fly. But without looking, does anyone know the country ?
Just look at it. My grandfather was in bombers at the UK during WW2, but he obviously saw many Spitfires, and told stories of them.
TBH, not a huge fan of these later variants. 22+? Griffon engine?
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:41 am
by mat the expat
Great shot:
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:23 am
by Blackmac
Spent a fabulous summer in 87, working on the Phantom air display team, kicking around all the airshows. Magnificent aircraft and great fun to work on.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:19 pm
by Yeeb
Todays conundrum, wings fans - which operational plane is this , and what was notable about its maiden test flight ?
Edit - can’t post the pic , but question remains - what was notable about its maiden flight ?
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:32 pm
by Saint
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:19 pm
Todays conundrum, wings fans - which operational plane is this , and what was notable about its maiden test flight ?
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:19 pm
Todays conundrum, wings fans - which operational plane is this , and what was notable about its maiden test flight ?
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:19 pm
Todays conundrum, wings fans - which operational plane is this , and what was notable about its maiden test flight ?
What is it and what pilot quote is attributed to it ?
Edit - posting pics on here seems bit and miss, what good upload website can I use that works on a forum ? If someone can post that pic for me, that would be great as i want to spend more time plane buff wanking than picture phone struggling - ta
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:08 am
by average joe
or do you mean this one
Right click on image, copy image address, click on image icon and paste address between [img][/img
pretty much the same as PR
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:10 am
by Insane_Homer
Australia's flag carrier @Qantas just took off its last Boeing 747 flight from Sydney as the airline retires the fleet due to the pandemic.
The flight path drew a flying kangaroo in the sky in tribute
What is it and what pilot quote is attributed to it ?
Edit - posting pics on here seems bit and miss, what good upload website can I use that works on a forum ? If someone can post that pic for me, that would be great as i want to spend more time plane buff wanking than picture phone struggling - ta
Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:36 am
No idea where this was taken but I loved the precision of the lineup (though I accept that it may be photoshopped).
Pre photoshopping, green screen special effects etc....there is a similar line-up in the movie 'A bridge too far' as the Dakota's line up to start 'market-garden'......
Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:36 am
No idea where this was taken but I loved the precision of the lineup (though I accept that it may be photoshopped).
Pre photoshopping, green screen special effects etc....there is a similar line-up in the movie 'A bridge too far' as the Dakota's line up to start 'market-garden'......
The hog isn't an aircraft; it's a tank with, attitude, & altitude
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:09 am
by terangi48
Many aircraft were parked up at the end of WW2 on the Woodbourne Airbase in Blenheim, and at Mirimar in Wellington. Aircraft included Mustangs, Dakotas, Harvards, Mosquitos, and the older Oxfords that were used for training. Post war the Harvards were used as airforce trainers at Wigram Airbase through to late 70's/early 80's. Dakotas were put to work as Passenger and freight carriers. One is still in use by Vincent Airways, Wellington. Mustangs and Mosquitos I have no idea where they ended up.......maybe one in a shed in Nelson!!!! Oxfords were retired and placed on farms as chook sheds! Another plane that showed up in NZ was the Bristol Freighter that carried freight across Cook Strait between Nelson and Blenheim in the South, and Wellington in the North.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:53 am
by Torquemada 1420
BTW, sad to report this is all over
Bruntingthorpe has leased the field out and served notice on all aircraft. TBAG have found a home at Cotswolds/Kemble but looks like the death knell for the larger stuff (VC-10s, Victor etc).
Answer is in the link but try to get it without cheating.
The one where they had to hope the propellers blew off before jumping from the wing pods!
37mm Cannon in each pod but too slow to catch the bombers
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:37 pm
by Nols
Was walking along cliffs on the south coast yesterday when this looped around directly above us.
Perfectly positioned so that it looked like it was turning to start a ground strafing run on us. Very cool.
