Where are you on the whole gender thing?

[Uncle fester]

In related news, Graham Lenihan has been unbanned on twatter and he is running amok.

[Uncle fester]

Always been uncomfortable watching people come apart at the seams.
He needs to be banned for his own good.

[Random1]

Always been uncomfortable watching people come apart at the seams.
He needs to be banned for his own good.

He's extremely isolated now. He says he has a broader set of friends but I'd say the main group knocking around with him are the culture warrior twats who are as annoying as the hard left set he now despises. He is all the way down the rabbit hole. His best bet personally years ago was to back away and let other people fight the war but he is so imbued with righteousness that he can't. To be fair he was right about Tavistock years ago so that must just feed into his sense of injustice

Yeah, must be pretty rough to be vilified to the extent he was about something he was right about, only for no meaningful apology to come forward.

His current mental state should be an important example for anyone out there that still believes ‘cancel culture’ is either fictitious or harmless.

[Blackmac]

In related news, Graham Lenihan has been unbanned on twatter and he is running amok.

The guy is scarred beyond all recognition. His friends turned on him and he got thrown under multiple buses. It's the sense of utterly desperation you get from him that is the saddest. At this point he has been at war that long the shell shock has made permanent changes to the way he thinks. I personally agree with his core beliefs but he is a sad figure these days

Never heard of this lad. His wiki page is an interesting read.

[BnM]

Thinking he's going down the 'I'm going to get banned anyway so might as well......."

[Random1]

In related news, Graham Lenihan has been unbanned on twatter and he is running amok.

The guy is scarred beyond all recognition. His friends turned on him and he got thrown under multiple buses. It's the sense of utterly desperation you get from him that is the saddest. At this point he has been at war that long the shell shock has made permanent changes to the way he thinks. I personally agree with his core beliefs but he is a sad figure these days

Never heard of this lad. His wiki page is an interesting read.

Here’s a decent interview. Long enough to see some of the rough and smooth of him.

[Random1]

Much better and more up to date interview just popped up on my YouTube feed.

Mentions his likely tactics on Twitter too.

[BnM]

For want of another place to put this. The trans teen who murdered family. Did a long interview and it's on youtube. Certainly complicates things.
Not sure America will care give it's going to try a 10 year old as an adult as was reported this week.

[mat the expat]

Yeah, one example makes a summer....

[Torquemada 1420]

My starting point is a qualified version of where Raggs is. What consenting adults (the child debate is way more complicated) get up to is entirely up to them as long as there are no unreasonable, adverse consequences to the rest of society. People can fantasise about their existences to their hearts' contents but you cannot simply suspend physical reality and expect the rest of us to buy into the suspension. In a discussion on this subject, I said "I choose to identify myself as a 67 year old male (which is a damned sight closer to reality than most gender jumpers): give me my State Pension now! What do you mean I can't have it now? Don't you oppress my right to be a 67 year old man"...........

Monty Python had this nailed decades ago

[Torquemada 1420]

Life isn't fair. I'm sorry you can't be a 67 year old man and that makes you sad

It doesn't make sad. The oppression makes me poorer.

[Ymx]

Life isn't fair. I'm sorry you can't be a 67 year old man and that makes you sad

It doesn't make sad. The oppression makes me poorer.

Here you go Torq

[MungoMan]

Life isn't fair. I'm sorry you can't be a 67 year old man and that makes you sad

It doesn't make sad. The oppression makes me poorer.

Hmm. If I'd identified as someone poorer back when I truly was a 67 year old man, I probably would have received the age pension.

Bugger. Should have though of that at the time.

[Torquemada 1420]

Life isn't fair. I'm sorry you can't be a 67 year old man and that makes you sad

It doesn't make sad. The oppression makes me poorer.

Hmm. If I'd identified as someone poorer back when I truly was a 67 year old man, I probably would have received the age pension.

Bugger. Should have though of that at the time.

[Torquemada 1420]

Gary Glitter missed a trick there. He is actually a marginalised person that identifies as a Vietnamese boy. Lot of people will have egg on their face and owe him an apology

Kinda highlights my caveat "as long as there are no unreasonable, adverse consequences to the rest of society".

[Niegs]

A fiver says that 'Adele' is really a hardline right winger on a windup. Some of them are curiously obsessed with pedophilia.

[Butterfly]

Your daily reminder that trans women exist, and indeed often lurk on rugby forums. Mmm, we may not appreciate 'Glary Glitter' references btw

... and we're not sex offenders in general, could you believe that?
... nor porn stars. Amazing that huh?
... nor are we schizophrenic, or have mental health issues. Shock horror!

Any more tropes and stereotypes you want to chuck around?
We're pretty used to it of course

Waves "hi" to most folks on this thread who I suspect of being of the genus "older conservative white cis-male"

[Gumboot]

Your daily reminder that trans women exist, and indeed often lurk on rugby forums. Mmm, we may not appreciate 'Glary Glitter' references btw

... and we're not sex offenders in general, could you believe that?
... nor porn stars. Amazing that huh?
... nor are we schizophrenic, or have mental health issues. Shock horror!

Any more tropes and stereotypes you want to chuck around?
We're pretty used to it of course

Waves "hi" to most folks on this thread who I suspect of being of the genus "older conservative white cis-male"

Welcome abored, Butterfly.

[vball]

For me it is all shambolics.
Like shampoo, but for people predending they are male when they are not.

[shaggy]

Your daily reminder that trans women exist, and indeed often lurk on rugby forums. Mmm, we may not appreciate 'Glary Glitter' references btw

... and we're not sex offenders in general, could you believe that?
... nor porn stars. Amazing that huh?
... nor are we schizophrenic, or have mental health issues. Shock horror!

Any more tropes and stereotypes you want to chuck around?
We're pretty used to it of course

Waves "hi" to most folks on this thread who I suspect of being of the genus "older conservative white cis-male"

Not many conservatives on here, and probably not many that would use the term cis-male.

Welcome, and fuck off noob.

[Sandstorm]

Your daily reminder that trans women exist, and indeed often lurk on rugby forums. Mmm, we may not appreciate 'Glary Glitter' references btw

... and we're not sex offenders in general, could you believe that?
... nor porn stars. Amazing that huh?
... nor are we schizophrenic, or have mental health issues. Shock horror!

Any more tropes and stereotypes you want to chuck around?
We're pretty used to it of course

Waves "hi" to most folks on this thread who I suspect of being of the genus "older conservative white cis-male"

Not many conservatives on here, and probably not many that would use the term cis-male.

Welcome, and fuck off noob.

Meh, its a Toga multi

[Butterfly]

I'm not sure who Toga is tbh

Are you struggling that trans women exist, may lurk on rugby forums like many other folk, follow rugby, have successful careers and have many other interests? Because we do...

This thread simply felt like time to say "hi"

[Sandstorm]

I'm not sure who Toga is tbh

A notorious multi-poster on here

Are you struggling that trans women exist, may lurk on rugby forums like many other folk, follow rugby, have successful careers and have many other interests? Because we do...

Not at all. However your rather aggressive tone on your first couple of posts here suggests you're the one struggling with stuff....

This thread simply felt like time to say "hi"

Hi. Welcome to the Bored. I hope you're a genuine newbie.

[Butterfly]

Aggressive... hmmm. Have you read this whole thread?

What is your view of it?

If not I recommend it a read, then imagine you're trans woman

[Sandstorm]

Aggressive... hmmm. Have you read this whole thread?

What is your view of it?

If not I recommend it a read, then imagine you're trans woman

My view is the same as most people on here: being trans in your everyday life is wonderful, however when it comes to sport then the genetic advantages you gain by switching is unfair on the other players.

Some people are horrible. I try not to be one of those.

[Tichtheid]

In June 2019, the BBC broadcast "The Trans Women Athlete Dispute with Martina Navratilova", where she interviewed people including trans women athletes and sports researchers, presenting evidence on both sides of the debate of whether trans women have any advantage in elite sports. Her closing remarks were

"The way I started this journey, I just wanted to see if there are any big surprises, any misconceptions that I had.

And what I think I have come to realise, the biggest thing for me, is just that the level of difficulty that trans people go through cannot be underestimated. The fight for equality and recognition is just huge. That being said, still, for me, the most important thing in sports...and you have to remember, trans rights and elite sports are two different things, although of course they are connected. What's the right way to set rules so that everybody feels like they have a fighting chance? It feels to me that it is impossible to come to any real conclusions or write any meaningful rules until more research is done.

"But for now, I think we need to include as many transgender athletes as possible within elite sports, while keeping it as level a playing field as possible. Look, society has changed so much. Things evolve, things change and maybe I need to evolve, I need to change. The rules certainly need to evolve. If you don't adapt, you've got problems. And so we'll just keep adapting and try to find a happy way forward."

She's since gone back on that

In August 2020, Navratilova along with 300+ women signed a letter to the National Collegiate Athletic Association in support of an Idaho law that bans trans women student athletes from competing in female sports

Although I guess you could say that collegiate sports are not the same as elite sports

[sockwithaticket]

I don't think signing that letter necessarily goes back on this

we need to include as many transgender athletes as possible within elite sports, while keeping it as level a playing field as possible.

That's a heavily caveated statement of support and understandably so. Until we find a way to undo the effects of puberty at a skeletal level, keeping as level a playing field as possible means excluding or handicapping any female athlete that went through male puberty.

While college sport might not be truly elite, i.e. the pinnacle in which paid professionals take part, it's often only one or two steps removed from it and hugely competitive.

[Ymx]

Don’t think anyone here, or barely anyone has held any issue with men who want to dress up as a woman, and want to identify as such.

I think the issue comes where it negatively impacts others. Namely in women’s sports (unfair), and in women’s changing rooms (safety).

But you have come on here, with zero posts on rugby, and immediately start calling everyone cis white old men as a smear. So clearly you don’t want to be here. So feel free to just bugger off.

[Fonz]

Not to digress, but while this thread is not totally without some hiccups, it is pretty impressive that it has actually managed to actually contain some debate and hasn’t devolved into an utter shitshow as it surely would have on PR, especially considering this is a highly-charged issue. Case in point as to why I’m defecting. Goddamn refreshing. Sorry, as you were.

[mat the expat]

Don’t think anyone here, or barely anyone has held any issue with men who want to dress up as a woman, and want to identify as such.

I think the issue comes where it negatively impacts others. Namely in women’s sports (unfair), and in women’s changing rooms (safety).

But you have come on here, with zero posts on rugby, and immediately start calling everyone cis white old men as a smear. So clearly you don’t want to be here. So feel free to just bugger off.

Lolwut?!

[LoveOfTheGame]

Don’t think anyone here, or barely anyone has held any issue with men who want to dress up as a woman, and want to identify as such.

I think the issue comes where it negatively impacts others. Namely in women’s sports (unfair), and in women’s changing rooms (safety).

But you have come on here, with zero posts on rugby, and immediately start calling everyone cis white old men as a smear. So clearly you don’t want to be here. So feel free to just bugger off.

Yip, it's a beautiful diverse world out there, let people identify whichever way they want. But it's a big fat no from me for trans woman participating in woman's sports.

[Slick]

Lads the next campaign has arisen. Token minorities in the Golden Globes taking awards from Irish men and Irish women. As a nation that gives everyone a warm and fuzzy feeling I know I have your backing.

Is it just the Irish and dogs we have to ban from pubs now?

[Torquemada 1420]

then imagine you're trans woman

The whole debate in a nutshell?

[Marylandolorian]

Not to digress, but while this thread is not totally without some hiccups, it is pretty impressive that it has actually managed to actually contain some debate and hasn’t devolved into an utter shitshow as it surely would have on PR, especially considering this is a highly-charged issue. Case in point as to why I’m defecting. Goddamn refreshing. Sorry, as you were.

Ayyy ! Took you long enough.

[yermum]

Lads the next campaign has arisen. Token minorities in the Golden Globes taking awards from Irish men and Irish women. As a nation that gives everyone a warm and fuzzy feeling I know I have your backing.

Is it just the Irish and dogs we have to ban from pubs now?

Everyone loves dogs these days. Hairy bastards

I'm a Hairy bastard no one loves me... (probably because I'm Irish)

[Random1]

Not to digress, but while this thread is not totally without some hiccups, it is pretty impressive that it has actually managed to actually contain some debate and hasn’t devolved into an utter shitshow as it surely would have on PR, especially considering this is a highly-charged issue. Case in point as to why I’m defecting. Goddamn refreshing. Sorry, as you were.

Yeah, I haven’t been back there for over a year. I disagree with people on here, but we tend to debate it through. Minds are rarely changed, but we test each other’s arguments out fairly well.

Great place.

[troglodiet]

I'm most definitely a TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminist for those who don't keep up with the times).

Only applicable to my "special" plants though.

I had 2 males and 1 hermie this season, which left me with only 2 females. I destroyed the males and hermie as soon as they revealed their gender. Fuck them.

[Random1]

Interesting to hear a woman’s view on it.

[Fonz]

Ayyy ! Took you long enough.

Too right....good to see ya!

[Slick]

Interesting one today. When I was picking the kids up from school there was a couple of middle aged ladies handing out leaflets by the gates. The leaflets were inviting people to a meeting to discuss trans information given at schools and discuss if it was appropriate. The leaflet said that they appreciate it is a sensitive subject and asked people to allow a discussion and use respectful language.

Anyway, just had a message from the school in a WhatsApp message apologising for the “politically motivated leaflets that are hateful towards a segment of the population” and telling any families affected to contact the school for support. The WhatsApp group has gone off with people screaming transphobia and hate crimes.

I thought the leaflet was actually pretty respectful but I did tell the ladies they shouldn’t be handing them out by the school gates. It’s all a bit over the top