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GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:58 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:27 am Bala supplies the scousers..

My minor claim to fame is that a relative tried to do something about that.

It's every Welshman's duty. When visiting lake Bala, or Elan valley. To piss in them...

convoluted wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:27 am FFS, even 'they' don't believe what they fill your passively compliant and obedient heads with, whether it's the necessity of wearing a mask or telling you coastal properties will flood:

Climate activists invest in property on beaches they say are disappearing
From Bill and Melinda Gates to climate envoy John Kerry, climate activists have sounded the alarm about how melting ice will soon raise the ocean to levels that swallow the world’s beaches.
But some of the country's most vocal climate change activists have invested heavily in luxury oceanfront property along beaches they’ve claimed will be underwater one day due to rising sea levels.

https://news.yahoo.com/climate-activist ... 00244.html

Invest or bought?

These people are mega rich. It's like us splurging €50 on a bottle of wine. They're not worried if the house does actually go under because they've plenty more houses and enough money to build a new house on the new beachfront.

Either way it's hilarious to stubbornly not believe in climate change just because some of the people talking about it are hypocrites.

If in fact they have bought properties like this. Invariably the stories are made up

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:08 pm

convoluted wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:27 am FFS, even 'they' don't believe what they fill your passively compliant and obedient heads with, whether it's the necessity of wearing a mask or telling you coastal properties will flood:

Climate activists invest in property on beaches they say are disappearing
From Bill and Melinda Gates to climate envoy John Kerry, climate activists have sounded the alarm about how melting ice will soon raise the ocean to levels that swallow the world’s beaches.
But some of the country's most vocal climate change activists have invested heavily in luxury oceanfront property along beaches they’ve claimed will be underwater one day due to rising sea levels.

https://news.yahoo.com/climate-activist ... 00244.html

Invest or bought?

These people are mega rich. It's like us splurging €50 on a bottle of wine. They're not worried if the house does actually go under because they've plenty more houses and enough money to build a new house on the new beachfront.

Either way it's hilarious to stubbornly not believe in climate change just because some of the people talking about it are hypocrites.

Yeah, the idea that a £20million property is an investment for these people is nonsense. It's back of the sofa money for them.

Record average sea surface temperature.

This year’s numbers for temperature seem to be significantly away from long term trends in a way that hasn’t been seen before. It’s deeply worrying, I hope it’s not a tipping point coming in to play, because fuck knows what’ll happen on the other side of it.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:37 am Record average sea surface temperature.

This year’s numbers for temperature seem to be significantly away from long term trends in a way that hasn’t been seen before. It’s deeply worrying, I hope it’s not a tipping point coming in to play, because fuck knows what’ll happen on the other side of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66387537

The oceans have hit their hottest ever recorded temperature as they soak up warmth from climate change, with dire implications for our planet's health.

The average daily global sea surface temperature beat a 2016 record this week, according to the EU's climate change service Copernicus.

It reached 20.96C. That's far above the average for this time of year.

Oceans are a vital climate regulator. They soak up heat, produce half Earth's oxygen and drive weather patterns.
Warmer waters have less ability to absorb carbon dioxide, meaning more of that planet-warming gas will stay in the atmosphere. And it can also accelerate the melting of glaciers that flow into the ocean, leading to more sea level rise.

Hotter oceans and heatwaves disturb marine species like fish and whales as they move in search of cooler waters, upsetting the food chain. Experts warn that fish stocks could be affected.

Some predatory animals including sharks can become aggressive as they get confused in hotter temperatures.
"The water feels like a bath when you jump in," says Dr Kathryn Lesneski, who is monitoring a marine heatwave in the Gulf of Mexico for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. "There is widespread coral bleaching at shallow reefs in Florida and many corals have already died."

"We are putting oceans under more stress than we have done at any point in history," says Dr Matt Frost, from the Plymouth Marine Lab in the UK, referring to the fact pollution and overfishing also change the oceans.

This is what I mean by this year being way off historical norms. Massive deviation kicked in around May. Can't find one that also has July on it, possibly data not processed yet.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:29 am

This is what I mean by this year being way off historical norms. Massive deviation kicked in around May. Can't find one that also has July on it, possibly data not processed yet.

El Niño related?

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:18 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:29 am

This is what I mean by this year being way off historical norms. Massive deviation kicked in around May. Can't find one that also has July on it, possibly data not processed yet.

El Niño related?

If it were, then previous El Nino years would have a similar line.

edit - Also, although El Nino is showing on the current anomaly map, as is clear below, you can also see massive deviations in the North Atlantic, North Pacific and the Arctic.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:29 am

This is what I mean by this year being way off historical norms. Massive deviation kicked in around May. Can't find one that also has July on it, possibly data not processed yet.

Cool, it's coming back down again then

Looks fairly warm up there beside Fukushima.

New Zealand's highest recorded temp remains at 42.4, Rangiora, in February 1973 despite 50 years since of alleged human-caused global warming.
My other geographic area of intense personal acquaintance is Thailand-Cambodia. On April 28 this year, Thailand hit a record temp of 44.6, just pipping the previous heat record set in 1960 of 44.5... so, a whopping 63 years of human-caused global warming concocted a 0.1 increase in the Thai record. Similarly, in Cambodia there was a record 42.6 in April, marginally higher than that of two days earlier, but previous to that the record was 41.4 in 1960.

And bear in mind the intense deforestation and urbanization that has occurred in those two countries over the last 6 decades.
In Chieng Mai maybe 40 years ago, the locals were bemoaning to me that since deforestation around the city "Chieng Mai used to be cool even in the hot season, but now it is warm even in the cold season."

Top climate scientists rubbish claims July was the hottest month ever – Public being ‘misinformed on a massive scale’
The Australian August 2, 2023:
Cliff Mass, professor of Atmospheric Sciences at University of Washington, said the public was being “misinformed on a massive scale”: “It‘s terrible. I think it’s a disaster. There’s a stunning amount of exaggeration and hype of extreme weather and heatwaves, and it’s very counter-productive,” he told The Australian in an interview. “I’m not a contrarian. I‘m pretty mainstream in a very large [academic] department, and I think most of these claims are unfounded and problematic”. ...

Professor Mass said the climate was “radically warmer” around 1000 years ago during what’s known as the Medieval Warm Period, when agriculture thrived in parts of now ice-covered Greenland. “If you really go back far enough there were swamps near the North Pole, and the other thing to keep in mind is that we‘re coming out of a cold period, a Little Ice Age from roughly 1600 to 1850”.

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John Christy, a professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, said heatwaves in the first half of the 20th century were at least as intense as those of more recent decades based on consistent, long-term weather stations going back over a century. “I haven‘t seen anything yet this summer that’s an all-time record for these long-term stations, 1936 still holds by far the record for the most number of stations with the hottest-ever temperatures,” he told The Australian, referring to the year of a great heatwave in North America that killed thousands.

Professor Christy said an explosion of the number of weather stations in the US and around the world had made historical comparisons difficult because some stations only went back a few years; meanwhile, creeping urbanization had subjected existing weather stations to additional heat. “In Houston, for example, in the centre it is now between 6 and 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the surrounding countryside,” he explained in an interview with The Australian.

Professor Christy, conceding a slight warming trend over the last 45 years, said July could be the warmest month on record based on global temperatures measured by satellites – “just edging out 1998” – but such measures only went back to 1979.

Full article:
By ADAM CREIGHTON

WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT – THE AUSTRALIAN NEWSPAPER

AUGUST 2, 2023

Two of America’s top climate scientists have rubbished claims July was the hottest month on record, deploring a “stunning amount of exaggeration and hype” surrounding the UN Secretary-General’s statement last week that “the era of global boiling [had] arrived.”

Cliff Mass, professor of Atmospheric Sciences at University of Washington, said the public was being “misinformed on a massive scale” following a deluge of news reports that summer heatwaves in the US and Europe had pushed July’s average temperature above 17 degrees, and allegedly to the highest level in 120,000 years. UN

“It‘s terrible. I think it’s a disaster. There’s a stunning amount of exaggeration and hype of extreme weather and heatwaves, and it’s very counter-productive,” he told The Australian in an interview.

“I’m not a contrarian. I‘m pretty mainstream in a very large [academic] department, and I think most of these claims are unfounded and problematic”.

John Christy, a professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, said heatwaves in the first half of the 20th century were at least as intense as those of more recent decades based on consistent, long-term weather stations going back over a century.

“I haven‘t seen anything yet this summer that’s an all time record for these long term stations, 1936 still holds by far the record for the most number of stations with the hottest ever temperatures,” he told The Australian, referring to the year of a great heatwave in North America that killed thousands.

Professor Christy said an explosion of the number of weather stations in the US and around the world had made historical comparisons difficult because some stations only went back a few years; meanwhile, creeping urbanisation had subjected existing weather stations to additional heat.

“In Houston, for example, in the centre it is now between 6 and 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the surrounding countryside,” he explained in an interview with The Australian.

Major newspapers from the Washington Post to the London Times have reported July as the hottest month on record after the average global daily temperature last month surpassed 17 C – around 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels – based on satellite data compiled by the University of Maine.

“We’re just really starting to see climate change kick in,” Nathan Lenssen, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Colorado, told the Washington Post last month.

Karsten Haustein, a climate scientist at Leipzig University, told the Times that July was “outrageously warm” and may have been the warmest month since the Eemian interglacial period, about 120,000 years ago.

Visitors cool themselves off at the fountain of the World War II Memorial in Washington. Picture: Getty Images via AFP.

Growing concern about higher temperatures caused by humans has underpinned a global push to slash carbon dioxide emissions by 2050 by phasing out fossil fuels in favour of solar and wind power, fuelling major political and scientific debates.

“Hot enough for you? Thank a MAGA Republican. Or better yet, vote them out of office,” tweeted former Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton last week.

The IMF cancelled a scheduled talk by Nobel prize winner John Clauser last week after he publicly stated: “I can confidently say there is no real climate crisis, and that climate change does not cause extreme weather events.”

Professor Christy, conceding a slight warming trend over the last 45 years, said July could be the warmest month on record based on global temperatures measured by satellites – “just edging out 1998” – but such measures only went back to 1979.

Professor Mass said the climate was “radically warmer” around 1000 years ago during what’s known as the Medieval Warm Period, when agriculture thrived in parts of now ice-covered Greenland.

“If you really go back far enough there were swamps near the North Pole, and the other thing to keep in mind is that we‘re coming out of a cold period, a Little Ice Age from roughly 1600 to 1850”.

“Global warming, it‘s a serious issue, but it’s a slow issue, it’s not an existential threat,” he added, suggesting human activities may have added up to one degree Celsius to average temperatures since the 1980s.

The Australian, Murdoch's flagship Australian newspaper.

Home of climate denial. Murdoch's various outlets have waged a form of war of climate science, leading a basically dangerous public denial of facts.

Facts?... 97% at least of the various scientists worldwide working on climate agree... it's real.

Still, gullible lapdogs continue to spout the denial propaganda even in the face of serious climate and weather related events that clearly reflect a rising threat to our environment and the planet's liveability.

You gullible fucktard.

Both Christy and Mass agree climate change exists (Christy says its 'inconceivable' that human activities don't have an effect on climate, Mass was a very vocal critic of the Paris accords, saying they didn't go far enough) . They disagree on scale and communication, and are very critical of the apocalyptic presentation,mainly because they think it doesn't give a true picture of the risks, do far as I can tell.

Cherry picking quotes is the best the deniers in the murdoch press can come up with, which I guess is progress of a sort.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:14 am The Australian, Murdoch's flagship Australian newspaper.

Home of climate denial. Murdoch's various outlets have waged a form of war of climate science, leading a basically dangerous public denial of facts.

Facts?... 97% at least of the various scientists worldwide working on climate agree... it's real.

Still, gullible lapdogs continue to spout the denial propaganda even in the face of serious climate and weather related events that clearly reflect a rising threat to our environment and the planet's liveability.

You gullible fucktard.

I think thats bollox. This is clearly one situation where Hanlon's Razor doesn't apply.

He's not a gullible fucktard at all - He's a malicious fucktard.

I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

But whether it's bullshit or not, the drive towards cleaner energy is clearly beneficial to humankind.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

My bath or my wife’s? Because you can boil a lobster in hers.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

But whether it's bullshit or not, the drive towards cleaner energy is clearly beneficial to humankind.

Yeah, there’s an old cartoon that I can’t be arsed looking for that basically says ‘but what if we lower out pollution, create hundreds of thousands of jobs in new industries and improve the environment and it turns out we were wrong?’

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:46 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

My bath or my wife’s? Because you can boil a lobster in hers.

Subtle plan to make sure you don’t try and join her.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:46 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

My bath or my wife’s? Because you can boil a lobster in hers.

Over 38 Celsius.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:46 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

My bath or my wife’s? Because you can boil a lobster in hers.

Euphemism alert

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

But whether it's bullshit or not, the drive towards cleaner energy is clearly beneficial to humankind.

Yeah, there’s an old cartoon that I can’t be arsed looking for that basically says ‘but what if we lower out pollution, create hundreds of thousands of jobs in new industries and improve the environment and it turns out we were wrong?’

That is a good cartoon. I do agree with the two scientists and their quotes. I think carbon dioxide is over weighted in discussions and other warming gases, land usage and concreting over stuff is massively under weighted.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

But whether it's bullshit or not, the drive towards cleaner energy is clearly beneficial to humankind.

Yeah, this is what really winds me up with everyone on social media trying to out smartarse each other. So fucking what if 97% of scientists are wrong about climate change, we are creating a cleaner, better environment, what's wrong with that.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:05 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 pm I think when the sea is getting hotter than a bath, something's going wrong.

But whether it's bullshit or not, the drive towards cleaner energy is clearly beneficial to humankind.

Yeah, this is what really winds me up with everyone on social media trying to out smartarse each other. So fucking what if 97% of scientists are wrong about climate change, we are creating a cleaner, better environment, what's wrong with that.

Same nonsense as practiced by vatniks during covid. You'd end up arguing about masks with halfwits who didn't finish secondary education.

PornDog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:19 am

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:14 am The Australian, Murdoch's flagship Australian newspaper.

Home of climate denial. Murdoch's various outlets have waged a form of war of climate science, leading a basically dangerous public denial of facts.

Facts?... 97% at least of the various scientists worldwide working on climate agree... it's real.

Still, gullible lapdogs continue to spout the denial propaganda even in the face of serious climate and weather related events that clearly reflect a rising threat to our environment and the planet's liveability.

You gullible fucktard.

I think thats bollox. This is clearly one situation where Hanlon's Razor doesn't apply.

He's not a gullible fucktard at all - He's a malicious fucktard.

Sheesh. You guys need to chill out ... perhaps the Barbie movie, or maybe just go sit on the front porch and sink a couple of Bud Lights #snigger, snigger

Facts? The heat records in NZ (1973) and Thailand-Cambodia (1960) were not sourced from The Australian.
Oh, and of course I forgot that I'd also spent a considerable amount of my time in Australia, so I've just googled the heat records there. Seems that Australia's highest recorded temperature is 50.7, Oodnadatta, 1960, equaled only at Onslow, 2022, a full 62 years of 'human-caused global warming' later.
That equates exactly to the Cambodian and Thai heat records, similarly way back in 1960 and only just matched now.

You people could of course speculate whether there's something cyclical going on or if factors other than fossil fuels are involved but no, what I present does not fit the narrative you obediently regurgitate because you dare not express anything contrary to The Doctrine, so all you can offer is as above.